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On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote:
for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace.
Or you could, you know, actually have seen Floyds fights. The only one that theres even a remote question is his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo (who he beat quite easily in their rematch). Please, tell me more about things you don't bother to research.
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On November 13 2011 15:25 Scarecrow wrote:
Just make a highlight reel of that fight for each fighter. Manny hardly landed anything noteworthy and got rocked regularly.
He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best.
Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent.
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On November 13 2011 15:25 bajabaja wrote:Show nested quote +[B]But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly.
Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. I just wanna bump this post. I want everyone's opinion on this.
bump
and most true boxing fans will agree with this
it would go to U.D
so what if manny might be faster than floyd, floyd timing, accuracy and defense more than makes out for the low output
he be dancing, taking pot shots all night long
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On November 13 2011 15:20 charcute wrote:
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stevemaxboxing:
Funny, but two of the 3 judges had Manny winning the 12th. the one who had MP winning by 4(Trowbridge) had him losing it. Hmmmm
Funny indeed. I had Marquez winning 115-113, but a draw would have also been understandable. That last judge though...
On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote:
for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace.
lol
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On November 13 2011 15:26 JackDanger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote:
for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace. Or you could, you know, actually have seen Floyds fights. The only one that theres even a remote question is his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo (who he beat quite easily in their rematch). Please, tell me more about things you don't bother to research.
Are you really going to tell people to do their research on fights when everyones just listening to some british fucking commentators calling for an investigation, when JMM vs Pacquiao #1 was an equally fucked up if not MORE fucked up decision based on the scores of round 1, where the judge ADMITTED to scoring it wrong, and therefore costing Pacquiao the win?
Are you realy going to tell people to do their research on fights when I'm guessing that all but maybe 5 posters in this whole thread have ever watched more than 10 hihg level fights in their life?
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On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else."
yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision....
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On November 13 2011 15:28 imperfek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:25 bajabaja wrote:[B]But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly.
Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. I just wanna bump this post. I want everyone's opinion on this. bump and most true boxing fans will agree with this it would go to U.D so what if manny might be faster than floyd, floyd timing, accuracy and defense more than makes out for the low output he be dancing, taking pot shots all night long
you mean when floyd sucker punches like a little bitch? sick accuracy on those.
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On November 13 2011 15:29 Zlasher wrote:
Are you really going to tell people to do their research on fights when everyones just listening to some british fucking commentators calling for an investigation, when JMM vs Pacquiao #1 was an equally fucked up if not MORE fucked up decision based on the scores of round 1, where the judge ADMITTED to scoring it wrong, and therefore costing Pacquiao the win?
Are you realy going to tell people to do their research on fights when I'm guessing that all but maybe 5 posters in this whole thread have ever watched more than 10 hihg level fights in their life?
You're right, it's totally reasonable to make sweeping generalizations about an unrelated fighters career without doing a modicum of fact-checking. Sorry, I'm way off base.
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On November 13 2011 15:20 charcute wrote:
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stevemaxboxing:
Funny, but two of the 3 judges had Manny winning the 12th. the one who had MP winning by 4(Trowbridge) had him losing it. Hmmmm
If this is true then that makes even less sense. Manny won round 12 because he took 2 pretty big hits and JMM did absolutely jack shit but try to not get knocked out.
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So the third judge gave pac 8 rounds not including the 12th??
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On November 13 2011 15:30 Minzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:28 imperfek wrote:On November 13 2011 15:25 bajabaja wrote:[B]But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly.
Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. I just wanna bump this post. I want everyone's opinion on this. bump and most true boxing fans will agree with this it would go to U.D so what if manny might be faster than floyd, floyd timing, accuracy and defense more than makes out for the low output he be dancing, taking pot shots all night long you mean when floyd sucker punches like a little bitch? sick accuracy on those.
Rofl, funny thing is most people posting in this thread bitching about manny probably didn't even see that fight.
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On November 13 2011 15:25 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." Looking at how the rounds actually go its not obviously corrupt, its just obviously crazy. And its funny that you call Bob Arum the racist when Floyd has been on record for saying the most homophobic and racist statements I've ever heard out of a boxer. Stop listening to commentators, they're commentators and not scorekeepers for a reason.
So someone who says something horrifically racist on national TV cannot be called a racist because someone might be worse than him.
Alas, it is as I fear. Boxing is so toxic that it mentally damages its fans.
PS: I do not have great respect for Floyd as a person. He called in a radio station and whined like a child because he felt they were being mean to him. Floyd is an awful person but he's not the one who just made a racist comment on TV.
On November 13 2011 15:29 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision....
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else."
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On November 13 2011 15:27 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:25 Scarecrow wrote:
Just make a highlight reel of that fight for each fighter. Manny hardly landed anything noteworthy and got rocked regularly. He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best. Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent.
i agree with this totally though.
Marquez's face looked much worse than Pac's. Pac had a cut on his head, most likely from a head to head, and a cut inside his lip.
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On November 13 2011 15:31 Scarecrow wrote:
So the third judge gave pac 8 rounds not including the 12th??
Apparently yes, which would have to mean he'd have to have given him 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11 lol
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On November 13 2011 15:31 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:25 Zlasher wrote:On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." Looking at how the rounds actually go its not obviously corrupt, its just obviously crazy. And its funny that you call Bob Arum the racist when Floyd has been on record for saying the most homophobic and racist statements I've ever heard out of a boxer. Stop listening to commentators, they're commentators and not scorekeepers for a reason. So someone who says something horrifically racist on national TV cannot be called a racist because someone might be worse than him. Alas, it is as I fear. Boxing is so toxic that it mentally damages its fans. PS: I do not have great respect for Floyd as a person. He called in a radio station and whined like a child because he felt they were being mean to him. Floyd is an awful person but he's not the one who just made a racist comment on TV. Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:29 Supamang wrote:On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision.... "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else."
http://bossip.com/493365/pure-comedy-floyd-mayweather-makes-anti-gay-and-racist-remarks-after-being-clowned-during-a-radio-interview-for-ducking-manny-pacquiao-43081/
You don't justify that, I'm sorry, you just can't.
Yeah Bob Arum is stupid as all fuck, all promoters are, no shit they're just in it to get richw hen they make hundreds of fucking millions of dollars by setting up their own players against each other. Golden Boy promotions is the same way.
But you're saying Manny should go to all hell because of a judge who saw the fight really really fucking weirdly? Wait til we hear statements from those judges.
Sure, Manny probably gets a draw or loses this fight normally, but his last draw against JMM should have been a win as well, but nobody except me has even bothered to point that out because NONE OF YOU GUYS WERE WATCHING BOXING EVEN AS RECENTLY AS 2006.
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I think this fight showed that Manny is just human... Though everyone said he was in his base shape of his life and peaking off at his maximum potential, anyone else think he is rather declining?... I don't know what this win means anymore lol.
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On November 13 2011 15:27 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:25 Scarecrow wrote:
Just make a highlight reel of that fight for each fighter. Manny hardly landed anything noteworthy and got rocked regularly. He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best. Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent.
I agree. And I also liked your comment that JMM was a big underdog that's why every little thing he did was hyped. (I had Pacquiao 115-113).
But let's face it, people who really watch boxing wanted to watch this fight as a potential eye-opener on how Manny will fare against a counter puncher (Mayweather is one of the best, if not the best counter puncher of all time). Considering the announcement of Mayweather's return in May.
Before this fight, I was skeptical that Manny has at least 45% chance of beating Floyd. I was thinking that since his last bout with Marquez, he improved a lot. Apparently not. This fight made me realize how untouchable Floyd is.
Pacquiao threw 800 to a thousand punches against tree trunks at 147+. Pacquiao threw 500 punches vs Marquez(a counter puncher). Floyd will cut that 500 punches into half.
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On November 13 2011 15:33 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:31 Nitan wrote:On November 13 2011 15:25 Zlasher wrote:On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." Looking at how the rounds actually go its not obviously corrupt, its just obviously crazy. And its funny that you call Bob Arum the racist when Floyd has been on record for saying the most homophobic and racist statements I've ever heard out of a boxer. Stop listening to commentators, they're commentators and not scorekeepers for a reason. So someone who says something horrifically racist on national TV cannot be called a racist because someone might be worse than him. Alas, it is as I fear. Boxing is so toxic that it mentally damages its fans. PS: I do not have great respect for Floyd as a person. He called in a radio station and whined like a child because he felt they were being mean to him. Floyd is an awful person but he's not the one who just made a racist comment on TV. On November 13 2011 15:29 Supamang wrote:On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision.... "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." http://bossip.com/493365/pure-comedy-floyd-mayweather-makes-anti-gay-and-racist-remarks-after-being-clowned-during-a-radio-interview-for-ducking-manny-pacquiao-43081/You don't justify that, I'm sorry, you just can't. Yeah Bob Arum is stupid as all fuck, all promoters are, no shit they're just in it to get richw hen they make hundreds of fucking millions of dollars by setting up their own players against each other. Golden Boy promotions is the same way. But you're saying Manny should go to all hell because of a judge who saw the fight really really fucking weirdly? Wait til we hear statements from those judges. Sure, Manny probably gets a draw or loses this fight normally, but his last draw against JMM should have been a win as well, but nobody except me has even bothered to point that out because NONE OF YOU GUYS WERE WATCHING BOXING EVEN AS RECENTLY AS 2006.
Bob Arum said something racist? Well, did you hear about the name of Rick Perry's ranch?
Stop trying to distract from the issue that Bob Arum said something horrendously racist.
As for Manny, who said he should go to hell? He should just retire in shame.
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On November 13 2011 15:31 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2011 15:29 Supamang wrote:On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote:
What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision.
Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence.
Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you.
"Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision.... "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else."
I dont know who made that quote or what he was referring to. Can you clarify that?
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