EPT[B] Pacquiao vs Marquez III - Page 19
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Razak
United Kingdom3 Posts
A pic of the scorecard for anyone interested. Also, first post. Woot! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:39 Nitan wrote: Bob Arum said something racist? Well, did you hear about the name of Rick Perry's ranch? Stop trying to distract from the issue that Bob Arum said something horrendously racist. As for Manny, who said he should go to hell? He should just retire in shame. Yeah and Victor Ortiz should retire for breaking the #1 rule of "protect yourself at all times" when he got punched with his hands down against Floyd back in September right? At the age of 24 he should just retire because he lost. Shut...the...FUCK up. | ||
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JaBrOnI
Philippines59 Posts
If you watched the match from the first round, even if you don't know how scoring goes in Boxing, its obvious who won the fight. And even most of us Filipinos are disappointed with the results (basing on my friends' post in Facebook and Twitter). Yeah Manny is a Filipino but we want a good clean fight even if lost. Oh well, I think there were punches that the judges saw that we didn't :D | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:39 Supamang wrote: I dont know who made that quote or what he was referring to. Can you clarify that? Steve Collins said it in response to Manny thanking God for the victory. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
According to CompuBox, Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches. Marquez connected on 138 of 436 punches, preferring, as in his first two fights, to counter punch. Pacquiao had a 117-100 edge in power shots. Their two previous bouts were furious battles, and both could have gone either way. Their 2004 match was a split draw, with one judge favoring Pacquiao, another Marquez and the third, Burt Clements, having it a draw. But Pacquiao could have won that bout had Clements scored the first round, in which Pacquiao scored three knockdowns, 10-6. Clements scored it 10-7, later explaining he was unaware he was allowed to call a round 10-6. Had he scored it 10-7, as did the other two, Pacquiao would have pulled out a split decision. And thats in reference to the 10-6 10-7 bullshit that happened in Pacquiao vs JMM 1 Yahoo Sports' Kevin Iole scored it 114-114 all as well, and he's pretty much nailed every major scorecard over the past like 7 years so the more the noise of the crowd and hype and bias of the commentators leaves your mind, the more reasonable 114-114 looks, and therefore 115-113. 116-112 still doesn't get jsutified though, given that they gave Round 12 to Marquez as well. | ||
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bajabaja
245 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:45 JaBrOnI wrote: Well I think everybody is disappointed with the results. If you watched the match from the first round, even if you don't know how scoring goes in Boxing, its obvious who won the fight. And even most of us Filipinos are disappointed with the results (basing on my friends' post in Facebook and Twitter). Yeah Manny is a Filipino but we want a good clean fight even if lost. Oh well, I think there were punches that the judges saw that we didn't :D No. It's not obvious who won the fight. I'm a big Floyd fan but you can't say Marquez was robbed. It could go either way. And as Zlasher put it, everything JMM did was heightened due to the fact that Pacquiao should just roflstomped his way to victory. But please. Don't say it's obvious who won the fight. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:42 Zlasher wrote: Yeah and Victor Ortiz should retire for breaking the #1 rule of "protect yourself at all times" when he got punched with his hands down against Floyd back in September right? At the age of 24 he should just retire because he lost. Shut...the...FUCK up. Did Victor Ortiz fight tonight? If not, it almost seems like you're trying to run away from fact that you're defending Bob "Racist" Arum. Also, please watch your language. I too feel rage at the travesty of justice that happened tonight but I won't let it cloud the discourse with vulgarity. On November 13 2011 15:48 bajabaja wrote: No. It's not obvious who won the fight. I'm a big Floyd fan but you can't say Marquez was robbed. It could go either way. And as Zlasher put it, everything JMM did was heightened due to the fact that Pacquiao should just roflstomped his way to victory. But please. Don't say it's obvious who won the fight. Why would he not say the obvious truth? I had hoped we as boxing fans would not defend obvious corruption and or incompetence. This night truly is disappointing. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:50 Zlasher wrote: Did Arum fight tonight? If not, it almost seems like you're trying to run away from [the] fact that you're defending a baseless point of view. So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? Or are you referring to something else as baseless? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:54 Nitan wrote: So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. I never said he didn't, my point is that even if he did, Mayweather did the same so who fucking cares what they SAY. The only shit that matters is who's fighting who. You then say that he should retire in shame after this fight, OUT OF SHAME OF WHAT? FOR ONE JUDGE MAKING A WEIRD DECISION AND TWO MAKING A REASONABLE ONE? should Mayweather have retired in shame after Ortiz because he punched the guy with his hands down? It was a legal punch since they touched gloves. Or should Ortiz retire in shame because he didn't protect himself at all times? I DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT ARUM, Pacquiao shouldn't retire because you're an idiot, he should fight Marquez again, or he should fight Mayweather so we can finally get the damn fight we've been waiting since 2008 for. I'VE SAID THIS LIKE 5 TIMES IN DIFFERENT POSTS YET YOU'RE JUST NOT READING, IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH, DO YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND? User was warned for this post | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:54 Nitan wrote: So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. But you did say that you have a lot of contempt for Manny and that he should retire in shame. Why is that? When pointed out that tonights judge decision was not something Manny was responsible for (besides just fighting his hardest in the ring to convince the judges), you just threw a random quote at me. Twice. You said that the quote came from someone else talking about Manny thanking God for the victory. You have brought up nothing that I can see that counts as justifiable reasoning as to why you have so much contempt for Manny Pacquiao Hate the decision all you want. I didnt get a chance to see the fight so I cant really make a judgement on that. But I really just dont understand why you hate Manny for it | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:57 Zlasher wrote: I never said he didn't, my point is that even if he did, Mayweather did the same so who fucking cares what they SAY. The only shit that matters is who's fighting who. You then say that he should retire in shame after this fight, OUT OF SHAME OF WHAT? FOR ONE JUDGE MAKING A WEIRD DECISION AND TWO MAKING A REASONABLE ONE? should Mayweather have retired in shame after Ortiz because he punched the guy with his hands down? It was a legal punch since they touched gloves. Or should Ortiz retire in shame because he didn't protect himself at all times? I DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT ARUM, Pacquiao shouldn't retire because you're an idiot, he should fight Marquez again, or he should fight Mayweather so we can finally get the damn fight we've been waiting since 2008 for. I'VE SAID THIS LIKE 5 TIMES IN DIFFERENT POSTS YET YOU'RE JUST NOT READING, IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH, DO YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU FOR RANDOM CAPS. He should retire because he looked pretty bad in this fight. The shame is there because most of the world thinks he's been gifted the decision (all three made bad decisions, one made a somewhat less bad decision). From what I can tell you disagree. I accept that so I arguing that point. If you look back, I specifically did not argue with you on that point because I am not about to change my mind. I know what I saw and it's pretty pointless to argue about that with someone who saw differently. Apparrently, you in your righteous rage thought that arguing about Bob Arum would serve as a proxy for that argument. It does not. It only makes you look pretty callous about racism. See, I really do care that Bob Arum said something racist which Floyd Mayweather is completely irrelevant to. Saying racist things on national TV is something I object to. If Floyd said something similar I would be complaining about that too. So worry not. Next time Floyd says something racist on TV and I see it I will write "Floyd just said something racist on TV." If I am feeling flippant I will refer to him as Floyd "Racist" Mayweather. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:59 Supamang wrote: But you did say that you have a lot of contempt for Manny and that he should retire in shame. Why is that? When pointed out that tonights judge decision was not something Manny was responsible for (besides just fighting his hardest in the ring to convince the judges), you just threw a random quote at me. Twice. You said that the quote came from someone else talking about Manny thanking God for the victory. You have brought up nothing that I can see that counts as justifiable reasoning as to why you have so much contempt for Manny Pacquiao Hate the decision all you want. I didnt get a chance to see the fight so I cant really make a judgement on that. But I really just dont understand why you hate Manny for it I apologize but since you didn't see the fight you really wouldn't understand. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 16:20 O-ops wrote: Problem is the other people who saw the fight didn't understand you either LOL It's understandable that different people can see the same thing and come up with different interpretations. When people have these views confronted they may come up with sound defenses or resort to meaningless garbage like compubox. That being said, I believe at this point I have conclusively established that Bob Arum said something racist. There is no other interpretation and I will bask in my objective correctness for as long as it lasts. EDIT: Apparently I missed Max Kellerman interviewing a JMM who was wearing nothing but that giant hat he had in his corner. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
I hope you guys finally see that styles make fights and the reason why the pac may fight is not happening yet. also bob and floyd are friends. Bob arum is not a racist he is just promoting his fighter. grats to pac. marquez will always be a good tactician in the ring. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
But scoring 116-112 for pac is what has me mad. Fights like this are the entire reason why I so seldom watch boxing anymore, despite watching hundreds of fights and spending countless hours on it in earlier years. | ||
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