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PACQUIAO vs MARQUEZ III
World Welterweight Championship
MGM Grand | Grand Garden Arena
2100 ET | 0300 CEST | 1300 EDT
[B] Pacquiao vs Marquez III
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Dr. Strange
Slovakia25 Posts
PACQUIAO vs MARQUEZ III World Welterweight Championship MGM Grand | Grand Garden Arena 2100 ET | 0300 CEST | 1300 EDT | ||
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Dr. Strange
Slovakia25 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Results] + BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO What a stinking result! 16-12? really? Marquez got at least 8 rounds in the fight, with three clear rounds to him. Pacquiao literally couldn't and wasn't able to do anything at all! Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! Lets do it! Poll: Who will win this fight? Pacquiao (45) Marquez (7) 52 total votes Your vote: Who will win this fight? | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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floor exercise
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Honestly of all his past oppnents, Cotto worried me the most probably, but this isn't even close. Marquez coming from the lower weight, even if they fight at a catchweight, doesn't worry me whatsoever, unlike Cotto and Margarito coming from much much higher weights. | ||
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Rorix
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Yeah, I also don't see how Marquez can win this one (even on the cards). Also, as much as I would like the pacman to KO marquez in the first round, Marquez is still a legend. I'd give him at least 4 or 5 rounds to survive. After that, its all pac via late rounds stoppage or decision. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
I like the undercard to be honest! Bradley and Prescott nice undercard! Be interesting those fights very close! | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
On November 13 2011 07:40 Rorix wrote: Got beers and BBQ ready for this one. 3 hours to go! Yeah, I also don't see how Marquez can win this one (even on the cards). Also, as much as I would like the pacman to KO marquez in the first round, Marquez is still a legend. I'd give him at least 4 or 5 rounds to survive. After that, its all pac via late rounds stoppage or decision. wait what? its for sunday, today is saturday. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
On November 13 2011 04:53 Zlasher wrote: I honestly can't see any scenario where Marquez can win. Just look at the last like 6 fights Pac has had, he's either hospitalized the person (Cotto, Margarito, Hatton), or the person didn't throw any punches (Clottey, Mosley). Honestly of all his past oppnents, Cotto worried me the most probably, but this isn't even close. Marquez coming from the lower weight, even if they fight at a catchweight, doesn't worry me whatsoever, unlike Cotto and Margarito coming from much much higher weights. to be fair none of those guys were really top fighters, pac man is kinda lucky in the sense that he is top during a really huge downswing in boxing (there is like no other big names to fight). The only exception really is mosely, but hes no where near as good as he used to be. He basically just did the fight for some cash. | ||
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Wawa
United States215 Posts
This is gonna be more close than people think I believe. Pacquiao and freddy roach even said it. Marquez knows how to fight a boxer like pacman. Also the reason why both previous matches were close. | ||
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Rorix
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On November 13 2011 08:07 SpoR wrote: wait what? its for sunday, today is saturday. Its for today -- http://www.toprank.tv (countdown time on top of site) Fight date is November 12, estimated fight time is 9PM Eastern. | ||
Manifesto7
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Adaptation
Canada427 Posts
Pacquiao KO11 | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
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Rorix
357 Posts
currently, hbo is showing the last episode of 24/7 | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
This is the best stream I could find. The stream is near the bottom, above the orange word 'Home'. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
Freddie Roach and company know that they've got Marquez where they want him, fighting at Welterweight. Marquez is king of Lightweight. He's only fought at Welterweight once before, against Mayweather, and looked very sluggish and slow. Although, he has recently brought in a different conditioning coach and is looking like he fills out the weight a lot better this time. Aside from the Mayweather fight, Marquez has looked fantastic in last five fights. If he's truly filling out the weight properly and not bloated, then we can expect a great fight. TL;DR: Pac by 9th/10th TKO. (Would not be surprised if fight went the distance though and if it did, I could see either fighter winning a split decision with a lean more towards Marquez) | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 08:08 SpoR wrote: to be fair none of those guys were really top fighters, pac man is kinda lucky in the sense that he is top during a really huge downswing in boxing (there is like no other big names to fight). The only exception really is mosely, but hes no where near as good as he used to be. He basically just did the fight for some cash. But like, I don't get it, everyone says they weren't top fighters AFTER they lost, but just remember how you felt the day before those fights. I remember Cotto, I genuinely thought would give Pacquiao some serious shit, he was a big guy, absolutely brutalized all his opponents except for a cheating Margarito. Was the type of dude who can take punches and dish them out harder. JMM doesn't even worry me in that regard, he is a lightweight while Pacquiao is a real Welterweight now. They last fought and Pacquiao wasn't even a complete fighter, he had a huge left and that was his saving grace. JMM would always favor the right side knowing that a right would be soft, or not coming. What is he going to do now? He doesn't hit hard enough to knock out pacman, He's definitely tough, but I don't think he has the defensive prowess that Mosley or Clottey had, while having any semblance of offense. I think JMM will last at least into round 6, but I do think he'll either get knocked out or the fight will be called. | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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papyrus
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ZaplinG
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 10:12 imperfek wrote: so this is a another Pacquiao welterweight fight thats not happening at welterweight weight? ¬¬ Yeah catchweight was like 144 or 143 lol | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
no matter how much i want jmm to win, the odds are against him. he's too old and fighting at a weight class he doesnt belong in | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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Aristodemus
England1986 Posts
Thats decent. | ||
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bajabaja
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
And nothing like a ton of boring ass undercards :D | ||
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bajabaja
245 Posts
On November 13 2011 11:16 Zlasher wrote: You get what you pay for, and we're not paying anything so the streams will crash a lot and go down, and have shitty commentators, just get used to it lol. And nothing like a ton of boring ass undercards :D Haha! Of course. But anyway, how many fights till the main event? I think I still have time to find a decent HBO link. Took me an hour to find an HBO stream last Mayweather fight. I'll post it here when I found one. | ||
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skyrunner
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Aristodemus
England1986 Posts
On November 13 2011 11:21 skyrunner wrote: has the pac fight started yet, or what's the ETA? 30min, but I guess it will be more like an hour. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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imperfek
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ZaplinG
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Zlasher
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Manifesto7
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
On November 13 2011 11:50 Manifesto7 wrote: Man, so many shady sites haha, yeah. hopefully i haven't picked up any viruses looking for this stream lol this is my best prospect so far though: http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/6132/1/ppv-boxing:-manny-pacquiao-vs-juan-manuel-marquez-iii---wbo-welterweight-championship-(las-vegas,nevada).html still two undercard fights left. zzzz | ||
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charcute
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
On November 13 2011 11:32 ZaplinG wrote: bingo! lots of links here: http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/boxing.html Thanks. This works. Tons of links. :D I'm using this link: Link | ||
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Aristodemus
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Al Bundy
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
you need sopcast and IE no lag and decent video, no HBO | ||
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bajabaja
245 Posts
http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/6132/7/ppv-boxing:-manny-pacquiao-vs-juan-manuel-marquez-iii---wbo-welterweight-championship-(las-vegas,nevada).html | ||
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ZaplinG
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Rorix
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Zlasher
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charcute
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:23 Zlasher wrote: Yeah theres now ay this fight can keep going, they should have stopped it at round 5, Alvarado is bleeding everywhere, for hsi sake they need to throw in the towel, its over. you would have stopped an incredible fight ending  | ||
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Al Bundy
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:23 Zlasher wrote: Yeah theres now ay this fight can keep going, they should have stopped it at round 5, Alvarado is bleeding everywhere, for hsi sake they need to throw in the towel, its over. lol I actually didn't catch the earlier rounds but you could be right.  | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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bajabaja
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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alkow
United States192 Posts
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Zlasher
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:44 alkow wrote: how many undercard fights are there? just want to know when i should head out to the bar. head out now.. | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
This one should be one of the better undercard fights....hopefully at least. WBO Junior Welterweight defense fight. | ||
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charcute
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:47 wzzit wrote: anyone got a direct sopcast link? http://derbyhd.info/viphd.html | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:49 charcute wrote: this fight is very interesting, Bradley might be next pacquiao opponet No way lol, he'd be an opponent for like, Cotto or Margarito even IF he moved up to welterweight or superwelterweight, but this guy would have to really work his way up within Welterweight, not Junior Welterweight, to have a real shot at Pacquiao in my opinion. The guy isn't a draw whatsoever, he's just a guy who inherited a few titles after one guy wouldn't fight him, and after Pacquiao moved up and stopped defending Junior Welterweight. Pacquiao is a true welterweight now so he'd only move to junior if its a big name that would be worth the fight, which nobody will be right now, JMM was as close as you'll get but JMM is a lightweight. All the deserving fighters of Pacquiao will either be Mayweather, or a super welterweight/redemption match like Cotto. | ||
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bajabaja
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On November 13 2011 12:44 alkow wrote: how many undercard fights are there? just want to know when i should head out to the bar. Tim Bradley Vs Joel Casamayor is at Round 2 atm. Up next is the main event. Better hurry up. | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
Argh, I tried this already. Do you know the sopcast address? My network administrator blocked this site, but I can still watch via the actual sopcast program if I have the address. | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:53 Zlasher wrote: No way lol, he'd be an opponent for like, Cotto or Margarito but this guy would have to really work his way up within Welterweight, not Junior Welterweight, to have a real shot at Pacquiao in my opinion. The guy isn't a draw whatsoever, he's just a guy who inherited a few titles after one guy wouldn't fight him, and after Pacquiao moved up and stopped defending Junior Welterweight. I didn<t pull that from nowhere : Arum told The Daily News that if the fight can’t be made with Mayweather he will move on to making a match for Pacquiao against Bradley. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/170129-arum-says-pacquiao-will-call-mayweathers-bluff-take-the-test | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:55 wzzit wrote: Argh, I tried this already. Do you know the sopcast address? My network administrator blocked this site, but I can still watch via the actual sopcast program if I have the address. I dunno to get sopcast adress... sorry not sure if it is the good thing: http://127.0.0.1:8902/stream | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 12:59 charcute wrote: I didn<t pull that from nowhere : Arum told The Daily News that if the fight can’t be made with Mayweather he will move on to making a match for Pacquiao against Bradley. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/170129-arum-says-pacquiao-will-call-mayweathers-bluff-take-the-test God I would hate that, that would be Clottey level bad, probably the worst Pacquiao fight we'll see since like 2006  | ||
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StarStruck
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charcute
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On November 13 2011 13:06 Zlasher wrote: God I would hate that, that would be Clottey level bad, probably the worst Pacquiao fight we'll see since like 2006 I agree, but the last annoying pacquiao fight was against Clottey. Wasn't Pacquiao's . | ||
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bajabaja
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + http://kiwi-sportz.eu/stream-5.html | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
for some reason i have a feeling most people here are pactards ._. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:22 fbs wrote: I hope this was worth staying up for, huge knockout please Woke up in panic wondering if its already over. I was lucky. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:13 charcute wrote: I agree, but the last annoying pacquiao fight was against Clottey. Wasn't Pacquiao's . Yeah Clottey just...he was in it for the money and not in ANY WAY to entertain the crowd, to have a good fight or anything...that was pathetic. At least Margarito and Cotto threw punches. I think it was like, Clottey threw something like under 10 punches per round. Speaking of which, the rematch between Margarito and Cotto should be good. But that'll just be a buildup for hopefully Mayweather Pacquiao to finally happen next year =\ | ||
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FLiPNoTiK
United States62 Posts
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/35999 | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:25 imperfek wrote: any marquez fans here beside me? for some reason i have a feeling most people here are pactards ._. There are plenty of fans of marquez but realistically seeing him winning? Lol there'll be a lot more fans of JMM who think he'll lose than Pacquiao's. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:29 Zlasher wrote: There are plenty of fans of marquez but realistically seeing him winning? Lol there'll be a lot more fans of JMM who think he'll lose than Pacquiao's. yeah i was one of the fans that dont think he would win lol posted before i wanted an upset >_< | ||
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doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:06 Zlasher wrote: God I would hate that, that would be Clottey level bad, probably the worst Pacquiao fight we'll see since like 2006 Welcome to Top Rank all in-house boxing. Money for Arum all day baby! | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
HOW EPIC WOULD THAT BE User was warned for this post | ||
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wzzit
United States201 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:28 FLiPNoTiK wrote: found a stable sopcast channel, its a bit pixelated though sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/35999 TY! :D | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
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larrysbird
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On November 13 2011 13:25 broz0rs wrote: here's a good site for the fight. hasn't lagged once for me. + Show Spoiler + http://kiwi-sportz.eu/stream-5.html Wow, crystal clear coverage. | ||
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warchips
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gostunv
Japan1178 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:33 charcute wrote: i<m a mayweather fan so I don<t root for Pacquiao, but I don<t think marquez stand a chance vs him why cant you root for Pacquiao? if he loses there is prolly even less of a chance he fights mayweather. and even if it did, it would be less hype. | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
the fuck I can<t open it on firefox or IE... | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:38 gostunv wrote: why cant you root for Pacquiao? if he loses there is prolly even less of a chance he fights mayweather. and even if it did, it would be less hype. take the test! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 13:39 charcute wrote: the fuck I can<t open it on firefox or IE... Try this: + Show Spoiler + http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ebf46f6edc2d | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:39 Zlasher wrote: Well in regards to May vs Pac, I think Freddie Roach put it well, how does someone who averages 20-30 punches a round and can't knock out hardly anyone, fight against a guy that averages 100 punches a round that has hospitalized his last 6 opponents. euh did you ever watched a maywaether fight?? 100 throw in the wind is equal as 0 | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:40 Grettin wrote: Try this: http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ebf46f6edc2d wow tks | ||
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:40 Grettin wrote: Try this: http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ebf46f6edc2d Thank you so much <3 | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
bob arum needs to gtfo so we can have this fight also hi5 charcute im also a big fan of pbf :D | ||
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:39 charcute wrote: the fuck I can<t open it on firefox or IE... when it gives u the error just press enter again. it works fine in ff | ||
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gostunv
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:39 Zlasher wrote: Well in regards to May vs Pac, I think Freddie Roach put it well, how does someone who averages 20-30 punches a round and can't knock out hardly anyone, fight against a guy that averages 100 punches a round that has hospitalized his last 6 opponents. knock outs arent everything mayweather more than makes up for hes low output with hes accuracy and defensive skills montage of the pac vs jmm fights | ||
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gostunv
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 13:48 gostunv wrote: coming out to a mariachi band = anti-hype AC/DC isn't any better e. lol | ||
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fbs
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
I'm off topic but hopkins entrance owns all others | ||
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bajabaja
245 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:52 charcute wrote: I'm off topic but hopkins entrance owns all others What fight was it? | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Pacquiao Fighting! | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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FLiPNoTiK
United States62 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:52 charcute wrote: I'm off topic but hopkins entrance owns all others actually, Genki sudo MMA entrances owns every entrance in existence | ||
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gostunv
Japan1178 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:52 charcute wrote: I'm off topic but hopkins entrance owns all others genki sudo would like to say hi. EDIT: oh wow ninjad above me LOL | ||
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FLiPNoTiK
United States62 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:56 gostunv wrote: genki sudo would like to say hi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-GpQm_YdMk EDIT: oh wow ninjad above me LOL HAHAHAHAAH RD 1!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO MANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Grettin
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bajabaja
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 13:41 charcute wrote: euh did you ever watched a maywaether fight?? 100 throw in the wind is equal as 0 Did you watch the Clottey fight? That number is in reference to punches connected, not pucnhes thrown, which was even more absurd. Anyways I'd call round 1 to Pacquiao only because it was like, 1 punch connected to 0. Pretty passive round obviously | ||
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 13:58 Grettin wrote: Predicting knockout at round 3. Won't tell you by who. 5 seconds more and i would have been right. | ||
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bajabaja
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:09 gostunv wrote: Rd3 id give it a 10-10 Uh....correct me if I'm wrong but there are no 10-10 rounds, its 10-9 for wins and 10-8 for knockdowns, and you can lose points if you score a penalty. | ||
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Archers_bane
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O-ops
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Good shit man. | ||
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 14:12 Archers_bane wrote: Do I have to download the Veetle tv to watch the streams people are posting? Should work without the player, but the player is clean and everything. Been using it for a year and no problems. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9 | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:13 Zlasher wrote: Round 4 was odd, Marquez finsihed with the last few punches but Pacquiao got some equally good shots earlier in the round that just weren't as hyped up. Another round that oculd go either way but I would have scored it for Pacquiao. 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9 I disagree man, I think marq won all after 1. | ||
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Moralez
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 ! need a new stream fast please guys T_T | ||
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gostunv
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I think Pac's gonna win again by virtue of 1/2 knockdowns | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:19 gostunv wrote: marquez's face looks much worse than Pac though. I think Pac's gonna win again by virtue of 1/2 knockdowns He might have to knock him down to win this fight. This haven't happen for quite some time. | ||
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Mjolnir
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On November 13 2011 14:20 Grettin wrote: new !+ Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
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On November 13 2011 14:20 Grettin wrote: new !+ Show Spoiler + many thanks sir :D | ||
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fbs
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United States243 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:20 Grettin wrote: new !+ Show Spoiler + thanks! | ||
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:20 Grettin wrote: new !+ Show Spoiler + omg so sick ^^ thank you so much! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9. Rounds 3 and 4 are debatable which is why I think it is 58-56, but could easily be 56-58 the other way. | ||
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floor exercise
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Zlasher
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Still 67-66 for Pacquiao or if you're on JMM's favor its 68-65 JMM. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:25 gostunv wrote: 10-8 marquez rd7 yeh bro 10-8 wow | ||
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Zlasher
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On November 13 2011 14:25 gostunv wrote: 10-8 marquez rd7 You can't score 10-8 unless its a knockdown or penalty. | ||
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gostunv
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pac prolly gonna lose this unless the judges are corrupt as ever | ||
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Zlasher
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76-76 | ||
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charcute
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Trizz
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perhaps its just mma that spoils me with exciting fights. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
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On November 13 2011 14:29 -_- wrote: so tough to watch fights when you're rooting for a fighter. you only count the shots your guy lands! even tougher when the screen is spazzing out in different colors xD | ||
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 14:32 Archers_bane wrote: Why is my stream being all weird, green and shit will be fixed after the round apparently. + Show Spoiler + additional http://kiwi-sportz.eu/stream-1.html e. refresh now | ||
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86-85, could be 84-87, but that is a definite round for Pacquiao. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:29 Trizz wrote: pacman getting destroyed, pretty boring fight overall. perhaps its just mma that spoils me with exciting fights. boxer's got better boxing its expected. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
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This fight looks like it could be a draw, but Marquez is showing signs of fatigue. Round 12 might result in complete domination by Manny. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:32 Entropic wrote: Man marquez is ahead by at least 1 round, more like 2 or 3 Yeah I'd say best case for Pacquiao he's up by 1, best case for JMM he's up 3 | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:33 O-ops wrote: pac gotta knock out marquez or this is done. you underestimate the power of the boxing judges (they like their fat pockets) | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:34 charcute wrote: you guys dont know how to judge boxw, its already done, marquez won Says the guy who's scored every round for Marquez and agreed on a 10-8 comment by some idiot who doesn't understand how 10-8 even works. Just stop talking dude you clearly have no clue how scorecards work and have never scored a card in your life. | ||
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Mjolnir
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God, so much better than tonight's UFC | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:36 Zlasher wrote: Says the guy who's scored every round for Marquez and agreed on a 10-8 comment by some idiot who doesn't understand how 10-8 even works. Just stop talking dude you clearly have no clue how scorecards work and have never scored a card in your life. im sure he was being sarcastic to my 10-8 comment marquez slowing down looks like | ||
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Zlasher
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95-95, could be 93-97, so even at best for Pac, up 4 at best for JMM, JMM is clearly winning the scorecard though. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:40 BeanerBurrito wrote: if marquez beats pacquiao i think manny will really want the mayweather fight then he'll lose and thats it for manny. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:39 Doraemon wrote: did you just compare yourself to pacquiao? LOL he didn't he's saying Pacquiao: "What can I do???" | ||
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Zlasher
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And how can you say Marquez has controlled every fight, there were 3 rounds where he was clearly outhit at least. Then there have been rounds that are fairly even. You don't give rounds to Marquez just because the loud ass commentator says it. An even round doesn't default to Marquez every time, nor does a close round that favors Pacquiao in terms of sheer punches landed count, go to Marquez. | ||
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bajabaja
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Not interested in Mayweather/Pacquiao bout that much anymore. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:42 charcute wrote: you guys rooting for Pacquiao too much, you will heard judge card, 117-111 or 116-112 Says the guy that had 80-72 Marquez thru 8. Be quiet. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:41 bajabaja wrote: This is a disgrace for Pacquiao. Even if he knocks Marquez out in the 12. Not interested in Mayweather/Pacquiao bout that much anymore. I agree. Some 38 year old boxer dominating the so called "#1 p4p boxer/fighter in the world" Sup boxing? | ||
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Zlasher
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113-115 at BEST for pacquiao but it should be UD, average scorecard 112-116. | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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On November 13 2011 14:46 Trizz wrote: I agree. Some 38 year old boxer dominating the so called "#1 p4p boxer/fighter in the world" Sup boxing? because marquez is just some random fighter, right? | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:46 charcute wrote: i<m not the judge, Pacquiao didnt win any round in my tough so yeah i put 120-108, maybe 118-110 He clearly won round 1 and round 6. 3, 4, and 9 go either way, 2, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11 goes to JMM 12 is irrelevant but Pacquiao landed better completely un hyped fights. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:42 charcute wrote: you guys rooting for Pacquiao too much, you will heard judge card, 117-111 or 116-112 i heard the judges card...but nothing close to what you had | ||
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What the hell srsly? | ||
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pacquiao got beat | ||
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Ok I can understand that like, people get more hype when the underdog does shit, so that is why the scores go to Pacquiao if its unbiased. That said, I still think it should have gone to JMM. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:50 -_- wrote: mayweather, don't fight this punk. he doesn't deserve it. Nah, fight him and destroy. Should be easy after this showing. On November 13 2011 14:51 hai2u wrote: of course they gona give it to Pacquiao, gota preserve the hype for the fight against Mayweather yep | ||
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Doraemon
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On November 13 2011 14:50 -_- wrote: mayweather, don't fight this punk. he doesn't deserve it. why? it's pacs fault for the scorers? really? | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:50 -_- wrote: mayweather, don't fight this punk. he doesn't deserve it. dont blame pacquiao blame the promoters and judges of boxing | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:50 durza wrote: Didn't actually watch the fight, is it really as bad as everyone says it is? yes ... manny got out boxed the whole fight =/ cant believe what ive just seen | ||
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BeanerBurrito
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On November 13 2011 14:52 wzzit wrote: How was this a "robbery"? Every analyst scored it as an extremely close fight. Draw IMO. the analysts you speak of must not have watched the fight then | ||
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LoLAdriankat
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On November 13 2011 14:52 wzzit wrote: How was this a "robbery"? Every analyst scored it as an extremely close fight. Draw IMO. Imo, most of the rounds were fairly even with the rest of the rounds going to Marquez. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:53 BeanerBurrito wrote: the analysts you speak of must not have watched the fight then Right, all three of ESPN's analysts and Yahoo Sports's analysts didn't watch the fight? C'mon, it was a close fight. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:54 wzzit wrote: Right, all three of ESPN's analysts and Yahoo Sports's analysts didn't watch the fight? C'mon, it was a close fight. it definitely wasn't 3+ points in favor of pacquiao like the judges somehow got written on their cards | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:54 wzzit wrote: Right, all three of ESPN's analysts and Yahoo Sports's analysts didn't watch the fight? C'mon, it was a close fight. it was a close fight but Marquez still deserved AT LEAST a better score no? 116-112? | ||
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Scarecrow
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On November 13 2011 14:55 whatusername wrote: first BW and now boxing..... fuck off, no comparison. Boxing's riddled with corruption | ||
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Entropic
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113 vs 115 pac marquez | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:55 BeanerBurrito wrote: it definitely wasn't 3+ points in favor of pacquiao like the judges somehow got written on their cards ONE judge. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:57 bajabaja wrote: No way Mayweather vs Pacquiao is gonna be a competitive. Floyd will roflstomped Pac if you compare their last performances. Mayweather by KO after Manny comes to touch gloves after head clash. Seriously though Mayweather got this by UD easy imo, and I'm a Pacquaio fan. | ||
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On November 13 2011 14:55 whatusername wrote: first BW and now boxing..... It's not like its anything new in Boxing... | ||
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Dr. Strange
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That result stank from 5 miles away! Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! Lets do it!!! | ||
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bajabaja
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On November 13 2011 14:58 Diamond wrote: Fucking Bob Arum..... What happened? No interview with Bob on HBO. | ||
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Zlasher
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And yeah, I said it was 113-115 LOL. The scorecard IS ALWAYS less variant than fans, commentators, and for fucks sake, forum posters think. But I think it should have been split decision 115-113, 113-115, 113-115 on JMM's favor and at worst, 114-114 on one of those cards and therefore a draw. But people who said 117-111, that never happens. But to people who said 120-108 you truly don't know shit about boxing, since you ride your scorecards off momentum which never happens. Pacquiao clearly won 3 rounds JMM clearly won 4 rounds, and 2 rounds were slightly his favor 3 rounds were really either way. You'd think it would go 115-113 for the most part, with rounds that way, but that just means that almost all the split rounds would have go to Pacquiao to go 116-112 on the one card, 115-113 to Pacquiao would have to be only slightly less so, and 114-114 was the only more reasonable one. | ||
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Diamond
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On November 13 2011 15:00 bajabaja wrote: What happened? No interview with Bob on HBO. Said he had it scored for Manny, some people, particularly Mexicans (lol what?) scored it for Marquez. Wants to promote another fight and thinks it will set all the records. Usual boxing corruption....... | ||
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You can't win a fight when your opponent hits you with a right cross every 15 seconds every round and your power hand sealed... Marquez put on a clinic that fight, and Mayweather will even be a better counter puncher then Marquez is today when it comes time for them to fight. | ||
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Zlasher
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116-112 is pretty fucking insane. I would only score that 116-112 like, one out of 15 times I score this fight. 115-113 i'd score that maybe one in every 6 times. 114-114? Maybe 1 out of 4 times But for it to be two cards in favor of pacquiao and one tie? I'm pretty shocked its not one on each side and one split, if not two to Marquez 1 split/pac | ||
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bajabaja
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On November 13 2011 15:01 Diamond wrote: Said he had it scored for Manny, some people, particularly Mexicans (lol what?) scored it for Marquez. Wants to promote another fight and thinks it will set all the records. Usual boxing corruption....... LOL! Fucking Bob. On the other hand, Manny doesnt deserve the mythical P4P title. Give it back to Floyd. | ||
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gostunv
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On November 13 2011 15:01 Zlasher wrote: Well, my scorecard was closer than anyone elses. So I guess I'm da best And yeah, I said it was 113-115 LOL. The scorecard IS ALWAYS less variant than fans, commentators, and for fucks sake, forum posters think. But I think it should have been split decision 115-113, 113-115, 113-115 on JMM's favor and at worst, 114-114 on one of those cards and therefore a draw. But people who said 117-111, that never happens. But to people who said 120-108 you truly don't know shit about boxing, since you ride your scorecards off momentum which never happens. Pacquiao clearly won 3 rounds JMM clearly won 4 rounds, and 2 rounds were slightly his favor 3 rounds were really either way. You'd think it would go 115-113 for the most part, with rounds that way, but that just means that almost all the split rounds would have go to Pacquiao to go 116-112 on the one card, 115-113 to Pacquiao would have to be only slightly less so, and 114-114 was the only more reasonable one. props yo and im not being sarcastic. but if Pacquiao was the challenger and Marquez was the champion that fight would have been called the other way then maybe? | ||
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Zlasher
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This same thing happened, except much worse, in Pacquiao vs JMM 1 If anyone saw that, The scorecard that ended up going to Marquez by one point was misscored (the judge even later said it theirselves admitted it themselves), that they gave the score 10-8 in the first round but with 3 knockdowns the score was supposed to be 10-7. That extra point cost Pacquiao the fight, and turned it into a Draw when it should have been a guaranteed win for Pacquiao. | ||
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Mjolnir
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Only thing I can think is that, while he put on a defensive clinic, Marquez didn't "look" like he was aggressive enough. Pacquiao was chasing him around all fight. Judges seem to think that's pretty critical. Personally, I think it was a bad decision. Was a great fight though, very entertaining! | ||
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hongster90
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On November 13 2011 15:07 bajabaja wrote: LOL! Fucking Bob. On the other hand, Manny doesnt deserve the mythical P4P title. Give it back to Floyd. One controversial ending shouldn't strip you off the title... Floyd needs to fight more in order to reclaim it. If his next fight in May 5th happens against a nottable opponent, and he wins, hes p4p then. | ||
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Zlasher
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On November 13 2011 15:08 gostunv wrote: props yo and im not being sarcastic. but if Pacquiao was the challenger and Marquez was the champion that fight would have been called the other way then maybe? It doesn't matter who the challenger and who the champion is. It matters who the underdog is in the public eye, and who the favorite is. If Marquez were the favorite, pacquiao were the underdog, and we saw an opposite situation of the pucnhes being thrown, then Marquez wins. Fact is though everyone knew Marquez was the underdog and every move he makes is heightened which is why we THINK the scorecard is 117-111 Marquez (which is absolutely fucking retarded, its 115-113 Marquez on average, especially since Marquez didn't try to WIN round 12, he tried to LIVE round 12. If he had put up a better fight in round 12 thats a 2 point swing). | ||
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Zlasher
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On November 13 2011 15:10 FLiPNoTiK wrote: 115-113 Could have easily been a 114-114 (which would've made the fight end in a majority draw) if JMM had been more active round 12... Completely 100% fucking agree with this. JMM threw away round 12 thinking "Ok all I need to do is NOT get knocked out, or not knocked DOWN TWICE. If I stay on my feet for all but one time, then I should be okay" He should have gone into round 12 with the mindset that there can be 8 more rounds, and that he NEEDS TO WIN ROUND 12. think about it. 116-112 turns to 115-113, 115-113 turns to 114 all, and the 114 all goes in his favor. If he didn't puss out round 12 then he gets at worst another draw (even though he didnt' deserve the draw in Pac vs JMM 1 if people saw that fight and THAT scorecard). | ||
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Ciryandor
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On November 13 2011 15:12 Zlasher wrote: Completely 100% fucking agree with this. JMM threw away round 12 thinking "Ok all I need to do is NOT get knocked out, or not knocked DOWN TWICE. If I stay on my feet for all but one time, then I should be okay" He should have gone into round 12 with the mindset that there can be 8 more rounds, and that he NEEDS TO WIN ROUND 12. think about it. 116-112 turns to 115-113, 115-113 turns to 114 all, and the 114 all goes in his favor. If he didn't puss out round 12 then he gets at worst another draw (even though he didnt' deserve the draw in Pac vs JMM 1 if people saw that fight and THAT scorecard). THIS. Marquez threw that round away because he thought he was ahead. A bit more aggression would have made this a clear draw, and people would be clamoring for a 4th fight to no end. | ||
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LiLSighKoh
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On November 13 2011 02:27 Dr. Strange wrote: reserved: content and hype go here + Show Spoiler [Results] + BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO What a stinking result! 16-12? really? Marquez got at least 8 rounds in the fight, with three clear rounds to him. Pacquiao literally couldn't and wasn't able to do anything at all! Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! Lets do it! Poll: Who will win this fight? Pacquiao (45) Marquez (7) 52 total votes Your vote: Who will win this fight? Are you.. dumb? Do you know how judges would judge? Pacquiao controlled the fight. He was the aggressor. Landed more punches. How does that not account for not doing anything at all? | ||
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hongster90
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Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches - 30 percent. Marquez landed 138 of 436 - 32 percent | ||
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gostunv
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On November 13 2011 15:16 hongster90 wrote: Power punches: Pacquiao 117 of 274 (43 percent) Marquez 100 of 254 (39 percent) Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches - 30 percent. Marquez landed 138 of 436 - 32 percent if those stats are correct than there is no arguing. "Pacquiao earned a minimum $22 million for the fight, while Marquez got $5 million" | ||
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bajabaja
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On November 13 2011 15:10 hongster90 wrote: One controversial ending shouldn't strip you off the title... Floyd needs to fight more in order to reclaim it. If his next fight in May 5th happens against a nottable opponent, and he wins, hes p4p then. You're probably right. But, I still have Floyd on the top of the list even the time he retired after the Hatton fight. This just shows that Manny didn't improve as much as people say he did since the Dela Hoya fight. It's just great matchmaking to make Pacquiao look good. I don't know. But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly. Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. Just my two cents. | ||
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stevemaxboxing: Funny, but two of the 3 judges had Manny winning the 12th. the one who had MP winning by 4(Trowbridge) had him losing it. Hmmmm | ||
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JackDanger
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On November 13 2011 15:15 LiLSighKoh wrote: Are you.. dumb? Do you know how judges would judge? Pacquiao controlled the fight. He was the aggressor. Landed more punches. How does that not account for not doing anything at all? Agression has fuck all to do with how you're supposed to score boxing. Emphasis on clean, EFFECTIVE punching. | ||
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Nitan
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Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence. Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you. "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." | ||
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Zlasher
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Pacquiao clearly wins rounds: 1, 6, 12 Marquez clearly wins rounds: 2, 5, 7, 8 Marquez probably favored in rounds: 10, 11 Nobody can argue either man won rounds: 3, 4, 9 So in the wildest of worlds where every sort of close round goes to Pacquiao, he wins 116-112, thats why I cna't agree with it. I can agree with 115-113, and 114 all. But I'm just surprised zero scorecards went to Marquez. I'd have called the fight a draw at worst. | ||
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Zlasher
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On November 13 2011 15:19 bajabaja wrote: You're probably right. But, I still have Floyd on the top of the list even the time he retired after the Hatton fight. This just shows that Manny didn't improve as much as people say he did since the Dela Hoya fight. It's just great matchmaking to make Pacquiao look good. I don't know. But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly. Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. Just my two cents. Floyd is faster but not really stronger, Floyd rarely has a hard hit in any of his fights, it is true that they are both counterpunchers though. But Floyd is known for his defense and speed, definitely not his strength or punching prowess. That said, Pacquiao is known to be even faster than floyd is. | ||
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bajabaja
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[B]But if you put intangibles aside and review Pac's performance tonight. How do you see a Pac vs May fight unfolds? As they all say, styles make fights. Marquez's style is very similar to Floyd, except Floyd is much quicker, stronger(?), much more accurate and his timing/reflexes is godly. Floyd vs Pacquiao is gonna be a one-sided fight and it's not gonna be funny. I just wanna bump this post. I want everyone's opinion on this. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote: What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision. Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence. Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you. "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." Looking at how the rounds actually go its not obviously corrupt, its just obviously crazy. And its funny that you call Bob Arum the racist when Floyd has been on record for saying the most homophobic and racist statements I've ever heard out of a boxer. Stop listening to commentators, they're commentators and not scorekeepers for a reason. | ||
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote: for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace. Or you could, you know, actually have seen Floyds fights. The only one that theres even a remote question is his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo (who he beat quite easily in their rematch). Please, tell me more about things you don't bother to research. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:25 Scarecrow wrote: Just make a highlight reel of that fight for each fighter. Manny hardly landed anything noteworthy and got rocked regularly. He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best. Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent. | ||
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imperfek
Australia160 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:25 bajabaja wrote: I just wanna bump this post. I want everyone's opinion on this. bump and most true boxing fans will agree with this it would go to U.D so what if manny might be faster than floyd, floyd timing, accuracy and defense more than makes out for the low output he be dancing, taking pot shots all night long | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:20 charcute wrote: on ESPN stevemaxboxing: Funny, but two of the 3 judges had Manny winning the 12th. the one who had MP winning by 4(Trowbridge) had him losing it. Hmmmm Funny indeed. I had Marquez winning 115-113, but a draw would have also been understandable. That last judge though... On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote: for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace. lol | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:26 JackDanger wrote: Or you could, you know, actually have seen Floyds fights. The only one that theres even a remote question is his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo (who he beat quite easily in their rematch). Please, tell me more about things you don't bother to research. Are you really going to tell people to do their research on fights when everyones just listening to some british fucking commentators calling for an investigation, when JMM vs Pacquiao #1 was an equally fucked up if not MORE fucked up decision based on the scores of round 1, where the judge ADMITTED to scoring it wrong, and therefore costing Pacquiao the win? Are you realy going to tell people to do their research on fights when I'm guessing that all but maybe 5 posters in this whole thread have ever watched more than 10 hihg level fights in their life? | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:21 Nitan wrote: What a shame to end a good night of fighting with such an obviously corrupt decision. Well, that's not fair. I suppose the decision might not have been because of Bob "Racist" Arum but because of incompetence. Go away Manny. I at least respected you for your boxing if not for your horrible political views. Now I have nothing but contempt for you. "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision.... | ||
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:28 imperfek wrote: bump and most true boxing fans will agree with this it would go to U.D so what if manny might be faster than floyd, floyd timing, accuracy and defense more than makes out for the low output he be dancing, taking pot shots all night long you mean when floyd sucker punches like a little bitch? sick accuracy on those. | ||
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:29 Zlasher wrote: Are you really going to tell people to do their research on fights when everyones just listening to some british fucking commentators calling for an investigation, when JMM vs Pacquiao #1 was an equally fucked up if not MORE fucked up decision based on the scores of round 1, where the judge ADMITTED to scoring it wrong, and therefore costing Pacquiao the win? Are you realy going to tell people to do their research on fights when I'm guessing that all but maybe 5 posters in this whole thread have ever watched more than 10 hihg level fights in their life? You're right, it's totally reasonable to make sweeping generalizations about an unrelated fighters career without doing a modicum of fact-checking. Sorry, I'm way off base. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:20 charcute wrote: on ESPN stevemaxboxing: Funny, but two of the 3 judges had Manny winning the 12th. the one who had MP winning by 4(Trowbridge) had him losing it. Hmmmm If this is true then that makes even less sense. Manny won round 12 because he took 2 pretty big hits and JMM did absolutely jack shit but try to not get knocked out. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:30 Minzy wrote: you mean when floyd sucker punches like a little bitch? sick accuracy on those. Rofl, funny thing is most people posting in this thread bitching about manny probably didn't even see that fight. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:25 Zlasher wrote: Looking at how the rounds actually go its not obviously corrupt, its just obviously crazy. And its funny that you call Bob Arum the racist when Floyd has been on record for saying the most homophobic and racist statements I've ever heard out of a boxer. Stop listening to commentators, they're commentators and not scorekeepers for a reason. So someone who says something horrifically racist on national TV cannot be called a racist because someone might be worse than him. Alas, it is as I fear. Boxing is so toxic that it mentally damages its fans. PS: I do not have great respect for Floyd as a person. He called in a radio station and whined like a child because he felt they were being mean to him. Floyd is an awful person but he's not the one who just made a racist comment on TV. On November 13 2011 15:29 Supamang wrote: yes, its completely manny pacquiaos fault that the judges made that decision.... "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." | ||
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gostunv
Japan1178 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:27 Zlasher wrote: He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best. Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent. i agree with this totally though. Marquez's face looked much worse than Pac's. Pac had a cut on his head, most likely from a head to head, and a cut inside his lip. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:31 Scarecrow wrote: So the third judge gave pac 8 rounds not including the 12th?? Apparently yes, which would have to mean he'd have to have given him 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11 lol | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:31 Nitan wrote: So someone who says something horrifically racist on national TV cannot be called a racist because someone might be worse than him. Alas, it is as I fear. Boxing is so toxic that it mentally damages its fans. PS: I do not have great respect for Floyd as a person. He called in a radio station and whined like a child because he felt they were being mean to him. Floyd is an awful person but he's not the one who just made a racist comment on TV. "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." http://bossip.com/493365/pure-comedy-floyd-mayweather-makes-anti-gay-and-racist-remarks-after-being-clowned-during-a-radio-interview-for-ducking-manny-pacquiao-43081/ You don't justify that, I'm sorry, you just can't. Yeah Bob Arum is stupid as all fuck, all promoters are, no shit they're just in it to get richw hen they make hundreds of fucking millions of dollars by setting up their own players against each other. Golden Boy promotions is the same way. But you're saying Manny should go to all hell because of a judge who saw the fight really really fucking weirdly? Wait til we hear statements from those judges. Sure, Manny probably gets a draw or loses this fight normally, but his last draw against JMM should have been a win as well, but nobody except me has even bothered to point that out because NONE OF YOU GUYS WERE WATCHING BOXING EVEN AS RECENTLY AS 2006. | ||
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hongster90
Korea (South)15 Posts
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JackDanger
United States37 Posts
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bajabaja
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On November 13 2011 15:27 Zlasher wrote: He got hit but he was never rocked. JMM's hardest punches took less of a toll on Pacquiao than Pacquiao's hardest punches on JMM, and Pacquiao didn't even land his best. Boxing isn't just about the number of punches you land but what toll it takes on the opponent. I agree. And I also liked your comment that JMM was a big underdog that's why every little thing he did was hyped. (I had Pacquiao 115-113). But let's face it, people who really watch boxing wanted to watch this fight as a potential eye-opener on how Manny will fare against a counter puncher (Mayweather is one of the best, if not the best counter puncher of all time). Considering the announcement of Mayweather's return in May. Before this fight, I was skeptical that Manny has at least 45% chance of beating Floyd. I was thinking that since his last bout with Marquez, he improved a lot. Apparently not. This fight made me realize how untouchable Floyd is. Pacquiao threw 800 to a thousand punches against tree trunks at 147+. Pacquiao threw 500 punches vs Marquez(a counter puncher). Floyd will cut that 500 punches into half. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:33 Zlasher wrote: http://bossip.com/493365/pure-comedy-floyd-mayweather-makes-anti-gay-and-racist-remarks-after-being-clowned-during-a-radio-interview-for-ducking-manny-pacquiao-43081/ You don't justify that, I'm sorry, you just can't. Yeah Bob Arum is stupid as all fuck, all promoters are, no shit they're just in it to get richw hen they make hundreds of fucking millions of dollars by setting up their own players against each other. Golden Boy promotions is the same way. But you're saying Manny should go to all hell because of a judge who saw the fight really really fucking weirdly? Wait til we hear statements from those judges. Sure, Manny probably gets a draw or loses this fight normally, but his last draw against JMM should have been a win as well, but nobody except me has even bothered to point that out because NONE OF YOU GUYS WERE WATCHING BOXING EVEN AS RECENTLY AS 2006. Bob Arum said something racist? Well, did you hear about the name of Rick Perry's ranch? Stop trying to distract from the issue that Bob Arum said something horrendously racist. As for Manny, who said he should go to hell? He should just retire in shame. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:31 Nitan wrote: "Don't thank God, because God wouldn't have made that decision tonight. That decision was made to line pockets and nothing else." I dont know who made that quote or what he was referring to. Can you clarify that? | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Razak
United Kingdom3 Posts
A pic of the scorecard for anyone interested. Also, first post. Woot! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:39 Nitan wrote: Bob Arum said something racist? Well, did you hear about the name of Rick Perry's ranch? Stop trying to distract from the issue that Bob Arum said something horrendously racist. As for Manny, who said he should go to hell? He should just retire in shame. Yeah and Victor Ortiz should retire for breaking the #1 rule of "protect yourself at all times" when he got punched with his hands down against Floyd back in September right? At the age of 24 he should just retire because he lost. Shut...the...FUCK up. | ||
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JaBrOnI
Philippines59 Posts
If you watched the match from the first round, even if you don't know how scoring goes in Boxing, its obvious who won the fight. And even most of us Filipinos are disappointed with the results (basing on my friends' post in Facebook and Twitter). Yeah Manny is a Filipino but we want a good clean fight even if lost. Oh well, I think there were punches that the judges saw that we didn't :D | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:39 Supamang wrote: I dont know who made that quote or what he was referring to. Can you clarify that? Steve Collins said it in response to Manny thanking God for the victory. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
According to CompuBox, Pacquiao landed 176 of 578 punches. Marquez connected on 138 of 436 punches, preferring, as in his first two fights, to counter punch. Pacquiao had a 117-100 edge in power shots. Their two previous bouts were furious battles, and both could have gone either way. Their 2004 match was a split draw, with one judge favoring Pacquiao, another Marquez and the third, Burt Clements, having it a draw. But Pacquiao could have won that bout had Clements scored the first round, in which Pacquiao scored three knockdowns, 10-6. Clements scored it 10-7, later explaining he was unaware he was allowed to call a round 10-6. Had he scored it 10-7, as did the other two, Pacquiao would have pulled out a split decision. And thats in reference to the 10-6 10-7 bullshit that happened in Pacquiao vs JMM 1 Yahoo Sports' Kevin Iole scored it 114-114 all as well, and he's pretty much nailed every major scorecard over the past like 7 years so the more the noise of the crowd and hype and bias of the commentators leaves your mind, the more reasonable 114-114 looks, and therefore 115-113. 116-112 still doesn't get jsutified though, given that they gave Round 12 to Marquez as well. | ||
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bajabaja
245 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:45 JaBrOnI wrote: Well I think everybody is disappointed with the results. If you watched the match from the first round, even if you don't know how scoring goes in Boxing, its obvious who won the fight. And even most of us Filipinos are disappointed with the results (basing on my friends' post in Facebook and Twitter). Yeah Manny is a Filipino but we want a good clean fight even if lost. Oh well, I think there were punches that the judges saw that we didn't :D No. It's not obvious who won the fight. I'm a big Floyd fan but you can't say Marquez was robbed. It could go either way. And as Zlasher put it, everything JMM did was heightened due to the fact that Pacquiao should just roflstomped his way to victory. But please. Don't say it's obvious who won the fight. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:42 Zlasher wrote: Yeah and Victor Ortiz should retire for breaking the #1 rule of "protect yourself at all times" when he got punched with his hands down against Floyd back in September right? At the age of 24 he should just retire because he lost. Shut...the...FUCK up. Did Victor Ortiz fight tonight? If not, it almost seems like you're trying to run away from fact that you're defending Bob "Racist" Arum. Also, please watch your language. I too feel rage at the travesty of justice that happened tonight but I won't let it cloud the discourse with vulgarity. On November 13 2011 15:48 bajabaja wrote: No. It's not obvious who won the fight. I'm a big Floyd fan but you can't say Marquez was robbed. It could go either way. And as Zlasher put it, everything JMM did was heightened due to the fact that Pacquiao should just roflstomped his way to victory. But please. Don't say it's obvious who won the fight. Why would he not say the obvious truth? I had hoped we as boxing fans would not defend obvious corruption and or incompetence. This night truly is disappointing. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:50 Zlasher wrote: Did Arum fight tonight? If not, it almost seems like you're trying to run away from [the] fact that you're defending a baseless point of view. So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? Or are you referring to something else as baseless? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:54 Nitan wrote: So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. I never said he didn't, my point is that even if he did, Mayweather did the same so who fucking cares what they SAY. The only shit that matters is who's fighting who. You then say that he should retire in shame after this fight, OUT OF SHAME OF WHAT? FOR ONE JUDGE MAKING A WEIRD DECISION AND TWO MAKING A REASONABLE ONE? should Mayweather have retired in shame after Ortiz because he punched the guy with his hands down? It was a legal punch since they touched gloves. Or should Ortiz retire in shame because he didn't protect himself at all times? I DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT ARUM, Pacquiao shouldn't retire because you're an idiot, he should fight Marquez again, or he should fight Mayweather so we can finally get the damn fight we've been waiting since 2008 for. I'VE SAID THIS LIKE 5 TIMES IN DIFFERENT POSTS YET YOU'RE JUST NOT READING, IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH, DO YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND? User was warned for this post | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:54 Nitan wrote: So...you're saying Bob Arum did not say something horribly racist? I am somewhat befuddled by you at this point. Can you not divorce Bob Arum from Manny? I didn't say Manny said something racist. Nor have I even said that Bob Arum's actions reflect poorly on Manny. But you did say that you have a lot of contempt for Manny and that he should retire in shame. Why is that? When pointed out that tonights judge decision was not something Manny was responsible for (besides just fighting his hardest in the ring to convince the judges), you just threw a random quote at me. Twice. You said that the quote came from someone else talking about Manny thanking God for the victory. You have brought up nothing that I can see that counts as justifiable reasoning as to why you have so much contempt for Manny Pacquiao Hate the decision all you want. I didnt get a chance to see the fight so I cant really make a judgement on that. But I really just dont understand why you hate Manny for it | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:57 Zlasher wrote: I never said he didn't, my point is that even if he did, Mayweather did the same so who fucking cares what they SAY. The only shit that matters is who's fighting who. You then say that he should retire in shame after this fight, OUT OF SHAME OF WHAT? FOR ONE JUDGE MAKING A WEIRD DECISION AND TWO MAKING A REASONABLE ONE? should Mayweather have retired in shame after Ortiz because he punched the guy with his hands down? It was a legal punch since they touched gloves. Or should Ortiz retire in shame because he didn't protect himself at all times? I DON'T GIVE TWO FUCKS ABOUT ARUM, Pacquiao shouldn't retire because you're an idiot, he should fight Marquez again, or he should fight Mayweather so we can finally get the damn fight we've been waiting since 2008 for. I'VE SAID THIS LIKE 5 TIMES IN DIFFERENT POSTS YET YOU'RE JUST NOT READING, IS THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH, DO YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU FOR RANDOM CAPS. He should retire because he looked pretty bad in this fight. The shame is there because most of the world thinks he's been gifted the decision (all three made bad decisions, one made a somewhat less bad decision). From what I can tell you disagree. I accept that so I arguing that point. If you look back, I specifically did not argue with you on that point because I am not about to change my mind. I know what I saw and it's pretty pointless to argue about that with someone who saw differently. Apparrently, you in your righteous rage thought that arguing about Bob Arum would serve as a proxy for that argument. It does not. It only makes you look pretty callous about racism. See, I really do care that Bob Arum said something racist which Floyd Mayweather is completely irrelevant to. Saying racist things on national TV is something I object to. If Floyd said something similar I would be complaining about that too. So worry not. Next time Floyd says something racist on TV and I see it I will write "Floyd just said something racist on TV." If I am feeling flippant I will refer to him as Floyd "Racist" Mayweather. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:59 Supamang wrote: But you did say that you have a lot of contempt for Manny and that he should retire in shame. Why is that? When pointed out that tonights judge decision was not something Manny was responsible for (besides just fighting his hardest in the ring to convince the judges), you just threw a random quote at me. Twice. You said that the quote came from someone else talking about Manny thanking God for the victory. You have brought up nothing that I can see that counts as justifiable reasoning as to why you have so much contempt for Manny Pacquiao Hate the decision all you want. I didnt get a chance to see the fight so I cant really make a judgement on that. But I really just dont understand why you hate Manny for it I apologize but since you didn't see the fight you really wouldn't understand. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 13 2011 16:20 O-ops wrote: Problem is the other people who saw the fight didn't understand you either LOL It's understandable that different people can see the same thing and come up with different interpretations. When people have these views confronted they may come up with sound defenses or resort to meaningless garbage like compubox. That being said, I believe at this point I have conclusively established that Bob Arum said something racist. There is no other interpretation and I will bask in my objective correctness for as long as it lasts. EDIT: Apparently I missed Max Kellerman interviewing a JMM who was wearing nothing but that giant hat he had in his corner. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
I hope you guys finally see that styles make fights and the reason why the pac may fight is not happening yet. also bob and floyd are friends. Bob arum is not a racist he is just promoting his fighter. grats to pac. marquez will always be a good tactician in the ring. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
But scoring 116-112 for pac is what has me mad. Fights like this are the entire reason why I so seldom watch boxing anymore, despite watching hundreds of fights and spending countless hours on it in earlier years. | ||
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TechnoZerg
Australia75 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
the reaction of pro boxers | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Marquez lands more and is more accurate but his punch output is lower and is seen as less active so Pac gets rounds he does not deserve. In my eyes he absolutely won this fight | ||
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Grettin
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On November 13 2011 20:57 We Are Here wrote: http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-forum-general-discussion/26961-pro-boxers-reactions-pacquiao-vs-marquez-3-result-thread.html the reaction of pro boxers lmao. Very fitting picture: ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/24o7lfc.jpg) | ||
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United States7081 Posts
That said, if anybody -- ever -- tells me that Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao and ducking the fight, I'll laugh. I'm not an expert, but at least in my opinion Mayweather could do everything Marquez did and much more. Floyd is lusting for this fight. That's my uneducated opinion, and frankly, I think I'm going to listen to that opinion much more often. Every fucking great fighter in the world seems to be a frankenstein brought to life by promoting hype machines trying to make money. At this point I'm almost sure Mayweather Pacquiao will happen. If Manny loses, the fight becomes so much less interesting, and he's certainly not the force of nature everybody in the boxing world told me he was. At worst, we'll have JMM v MP 4 then the big fight. If Manny ever gets introduced as #1 p4p again LOL!!! | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
welcome to boxing. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
Anyways, this makes it easier for the pac // mw fight to go through. | ||
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TechnoZerg
Australia75 Posts
On November 14 2011 07:57 Terranist wrote: marquez didn't fight well enough to deserve it anyway. i realize many posters in this thread seem to be watching their first championship fight, but you don't take the championship by running and turtling for 12 rounds like marquez did. it has never worked that way and close decisions will go to the reigning champion. welcome to boxing. I can see you don't know much about boxing. "Turtling" WTF boxing isn't starcraft so don't use these stupid analogies. marquez was setting traps moron, being on the backfoot circling to pacquiao's right, effectively taking out pacquiao's left hand (the hand he wins fights on). marquez put on a clinic and took pacquiao to school. perhaps you should watch more fights instead of saying "OMG FRONT FOOT AGRESSOR = WINZ" heres what professional boxers (past and present) say on this issue (they are pretty much unanimous): http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520879 | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On November 14 2011 08:58 TechnoZerg wrote: lmao even khan boy doesnt think pacman wonI can see you don't know much about boxing. "Turtling" WTF boxing isn't starcraft so don't use these stupid analogies. marquez was setting traps moron, being on the backfoot circling to pacquiao's right, effectively taking out pacquiao's left hand (the hand he wins fights on). marquez put on a clinic and took pacquiao to school. perhaps you should watch more fights instead of saying "OMG FRONT FOOT AGRESSOR = WINZ" heres what professional boxers (past and present) say on this issue (they are pretty much unanimous): http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520879 | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
idk if this really changes anything but is this true? (marquez's foot) | ||
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ydeer93
United Kingdom66 Posts
Marquez did enough to keep a title; not enough to take the title. Corner should press him for a knockdown Can't back up the champ, no knock down; and take the title. But he did exposed The Pacman." | ||
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koivis
Finland2 Posts
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On November 14 2011 22:01 icystorage wrote: This happens often when orthodox and southpaw fights are matched since the foot positioning is pretty awkward they tend to step on one another's foot. http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380834_2456780271696_1617794685_2467173_484617829_n.jpg idk if this really changes anything but is this true? (marquez's foot) | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4492 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote: for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace. Ignorance is bliss. I haven't seen the fight, but by judging from peoples opinions I'm very dissapointed that Marquez didn't get his dews. It was bad enough in their second fight man | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Sure, there are many stories out there about promoters picking the fights to build-up their fighters. You could make valid arguments for many fighters and there would be a lot of substance there. With that said, this was Pacman's third tango with the chap. I'm sure if he didn't like the match-up he wouldn't support another. Got to love all the controversy. I'm really not surprised by the result. There's a valid reason as to why promotions like the UFC want to re-do how matches are scored. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Boxing. It is what it is. :/ | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:21 saocyn wrote: thats right mayweather shouldve lost to Castillo, but he was under arum at the time and as we all know arum has a very big influence on the judges. with that said, i wasnt happy when he won that fight just like how im not happy with manny winning this one. actually, i think mayweather doesnt want to face manny because of this, if it goes to decision then manny will win since he is still under arum, meaning that putting manny down is the only way to win which cant be easy. btw have you even seen mayweather fight? it is possible to obtain a perfect record not pushing the pace lol (although MW shouldnt have one)for all you guys hating on manny and calling this corruption, if it is actual corruption then floyd mayweather's 40+ wins to 0 losses is also fluke. what's even more suspect is floyd's perfect record, dont' give me that crap about corruption in this fight if you're not going to suspect floyd of cheating his way into a perfect record cause i doubt anyone can attain a perfect record not pushing the pace. btw, mayweather is fighting again in feb and arum wants a pacquiao marquez IV. so we wont be getting mayweather pacquiao anytime soon. i think the only way for this fight to happen is for manny to leave arum tbh | ||
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Zlasher
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We Are Here
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Mayweather says its feb, but who knows its mw lol | ||
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