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On July 27 2012 11:10 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 10:54 Pibacc wrote:
It's kind of astounding how many people claim WoW is super easy and only for casuals despite themselves never completing a full tier on Heroic. If you didn't clear everything in a timely manner you have zero right to complain it's too easy. You can do almost all the heroics if you have a non retarded raid group(as in people arent full blown stand in everything idiots) went through and did a bunch of bwd without knowing any of the fights by applying the, dont stand in shit principal
This is bullshit.You cant do heroics with random people unless everyone in raid outgear it.You cant clear heroics when a patch comes out.You can only clear it when everyone and their babies cleared it already and with watching youtube videos of strategies.
I remember countless wipes even on NORMAL DS last 2 bosses.It is hard to coordinate with random people especially with wow community.
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You can do almost all the heroics if you have a non retarded raid group(as in people arent full blown stand in everything idiots) went through and did a bunch of bwd without knowing any of the fights by applying the, dont stand in shit principal
I'm really tired of ppl saying shit like this. Try doing current heroic content with a legit guild, them come tell me how fucking easy it is. I cleared all of BWD and BoT and Sinestra HM while it was current, as well as Heroic Rag and I'm here to tell you the raids are almost too hard. There isn't anything to do but log in and go right to work just grinding out wipe after wipe after wipe trying to get everyone up to speed on executing the perfect strat. Raiding in WoW simply isn't fun for me anymore because all it is is running 100-200 iterations of the same strat until everyone clicks on the same page now. It is extremely hard infact. ( I was in a top 10 US guild through most of cata also I have some perspective being a 1000+ pt master in sc2 so I'm not some game degenerate that has only played wow )
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Not sure if this is the right place to post, let me know if it isn't.
I'm urgently looking for a MoP beta key, or at very least, access to a MoP beta account on raid testing nights.
Please PM me if you have an extra key. I'd be willing to discuss trades/favors/etc.
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![[image loading]](http://www.thedailyblink.com/comics/2012-07-27-336.jpg)
Ok I thought this was pretty funny.
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bahaha those comics sum it up perfectly 
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I'd actually be mildly interested in play this again after not playing since early WOTLK but I'd have to rebuy all the freaking games. Hopefully they will drop the prices of all the earlier ones once MoP comes out but it will probably still be annoyingly expensive. With prices right now if would be 120 dollars total just to play. I guess it's my fault for losing all my cd keys when i moved 
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If you haven't played since wotlk your account is probably eligible for a scroll of resurrection from someone. The scroll gives you a free upgrade to cata + a free level 80.
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Yup! PM me and I can send out scrolls, or anyone in the current "TL" guild can.
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Don't have an account I quit before Bnet kept track of your games online (or at least before it forced you to). Unless there's some other way?
Oh well yeah i guess it's still in their servers... Interesting. I practically don't even remember what my account name or Email was though : /
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Torenhire, things are looking up for my temporary job situation. So, Instead of spending all of my time leveling I'll be transferring after I get my first check from this new job. I'll message you once that happens. I'll be ready for MoP!
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On July 30 2012 14:00 DannyJ wrote:
Don't have an account I quit before Bnet kept track of your games online (or at least before it forced you to). Unless there's some other way?
Oh well yeah i guess it's still in their servers... Interesting. I practically don't even remember what my account name or Email was though : / Most likely you will still be able to attach your WoW account to your bnet account. Should give it a try. But if you don't remember your account name and email it's going to be tough ;-)
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Would anyone be able to send me a scroll? PM me and I'll get you details. Not sure if I want to resub, want to see if the urge is still there
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Is there a "new" TL guild? or is the old one still going? I thought it died?
Anyway prolly going to resub soon, what server are you guys playing on?
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At the moment, the TL guild is called IMBA on the Lightning's Blade-US server. There was talk of possibly server transferring to a more active realm, not sure what they've decided there, or if it's been discussed yet.
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On July 27 2012 19:25 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 11:10 arb wrote:On July 27 2012 10:54 Pibacc wrote:
It's kind of astounding how many people claim WoW is super easy and only for casuals despite themselves never completing a full tier on Heroic. If you didn't clear everything in a timely manner you have zero right to complain it's too easy. You can do almost all the heroics if you have a non retarded raid group(as in people arent full blown stand in everything idiots) went through and did a bunch of bwd without knowing any of the fights by applying the, dont stand in shit principal This is hopeless. People just keep repeating the same lines which I've thoroughly debunked in the last several pages. Nefarion took over a month to clear before it was beaten on heroic, and it was cheesed with 11 druids. But awesome work beating content that is 2 tiers old by outgearing the mind control DPS mechanic and the electrocute mechanic.
More on the alleged casualfication of WoW.
Here's Dream Paragon on T11 (they got the world first clear):
This is it - Cataclysm's first tier of raiding has finally been finished. We are quite satisfied with how everything went, despite some setbacks along the way. Right now we are probably even happier to be able to soon go back to our 1 day/week raiding schedule after the merciless non-gated grind.Al'Akir was a rather unforgiving boss overall. The difference on this particular boss is absolutely massive in 10-man compared to 25s due to the area scaling. Congratulations to Dream though for getting the world first in 10-man! Here's to hoping the 25-man version of Al'akir won't get hotfixed or nerfed too soon; everyone else should go through the same soul draining wipes that we had to endure.  http://www.paragon.fi/news/tier-11-1313-heroic-alakir-25-man-down
Here's Dream Paragon on T12 (they got the world first clear):
We've NEVER put as much effort into a kill as we now did on downing Heroic Ragnaros. We had a few grueling low percentage wipes and we were already planning on continuing early tomorrow with a better set of gear. Our kill attempt was going to be our last pull of the night as the thunderstorms and disconnects were kicking in. Then everything clicked. All of our combined effort, practicing, theorycrafting and planning finally paid off. We had a near-perfect try and Ragnaros just melted away. A wave of relief washed over us. It was finally over. We wiped 500+ times on the boss, although I lost count at some point. Absolutely epic feeling after such an epic fight!http://www.paragon.fi/news/ragnaros-25-man-heroic-dead
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I don't think anyone (anyone sane anyways) argued that the first heroic kills are hard, very hard actually. The problem is that a couple of weeks after the content has been released, it will be nerfed into oblivion, just to enable casual players to see all of the content. This means that two months after a patch anyone will run around in the same gear that guilds like Paragon worked their asses off to obtain. A lot of changes since Wrath that were meant to make the game better actually made it a lot worse (Dungeon finder, token system, having to grind dailies for gear etc.). Anyone who played at least semi-seriously since release will agree that the game was simply a whole lot better before wotlk. and this has nothing to do with nostalgia.
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On August 02 2012 19:25 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
I don't think anyone (anyone sane anyways) argued that the first heroic kills are hard, very hard actually. The problem is that a couple of weeks after the content has been released, it will be nerfed into oblivion, just to enable casual players to see all of the content. This means that two months after a patch anyone will run around in the same gear that guilds like Paragon worked their asses off to obtain. A lot of changes since Wrath that were meant to make the game better actually made it a lot worse (Dungeon finder, token system, having to grind dailies for gear etc.). Anyone who played at least semi-seriously since release will agree that the game was simply a whole lot better before wotlk. and this has nothing to do with nostalgia.
But they're arguing the game is too easy.
If it so easy why can't you kill the fucking boss?
Why have only a tiny fraction of guilds killed Ragnaros and Sinestra on heroic even today?
Vanilla? You mean World of Roguecraft? Raid or die? Where classes waited several months as Blizzard slowly reviewed and rebalanced each class, at the rate of one class per patch? Where paladins were stuck waiting for the paladin review, and priests were stuck waiting for the priest review? Where hybrids were forced to heal? Where warriors were the only tanks? Where mages 1-shoted you with AP-POM-Pyro? Where warlocks top DPS charts by spamming only shadow bolt? Where Ragnaros had like 3 abilities compared to like the 20 he has now? That Vanilla?
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On August 02 2012 19:25 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
I don't think anyone (anyone sane anyways) argued that the first heroic kills are hard, very hard actually. The problem is that a couple of weeks after the content has been released, it will be nerfed into oblivion, just to enable casual players to see all of the content.
That's pretty much it. There is a "natural" constant nerf because of the ID system; you acquire more gear over time regardless of how much bosses you kill per week, there's new gear every week. But these days, on top of that, Blizzard nerfs all hard bosses into oblivion after a very very short amount of time. Heroic Madness right now is a bad joke that has absolutely nothing to do with the fight that it was 6 months ago.
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Yes, if only 14% of raiding guilds have beaten a boss, that makes it a joke. (Stat taken from wowprogress, rounded up.) Your logic is perfect! 
If you killed it 6 months ago, it likely is a joke to you now. For everyone else, it isn't. And there is far more of everyone else than there is of people who killed it 6 months ago. If spine/madness were sitting at around the same as heroic morchok (74%), I'd be more inclined to agree with the people who claim the content is easy. Yet it is absolutely nowhere near that value.
I'd wager millions of dollars on the fact that 99% of people who claim content is easy have never ever beaten raid content pre-nerf. They only ever reach it after nerfs, if they ever reach it at all.
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357 guilds have killed heroic Al'Akir on 25m even today. That's about 8,925 players out of 10,000,000.
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