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Original Smashboards post: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=311729
After years of debate and tournament result analysis, the powers that be finally have decided to ban Meta Knight from competitive play.
OP opinion: This is quite a decision the committee has come to. Its been a topic of debate since the game came out (whether Meta Knight was too good) and it seems he finally is. I haven't followed Brawl too closely (Melee for life!) but I guess the time for the ban had come. Its a little sad, but he was really really dominant in the game so its probably for the best.
What's everyone's thoughts on it? Browsing through the thread on smashboards it seems most people are pretty happy about it and are looking forward to a more diverse tournament scene.
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I'm incerdibly impressed by the way they handled this matter. Like you said, this has been a subject for a looooong time. But damn did they not hesitate or rush to throw Metaknight out.
I haven't followed melee since I found that Nevake had more then BTT videos on his youtube. Big up to the smash community!
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Sucks if you played imbaknight since release
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It's quite a big deal, having pretty much absolutely 0 bad matchups on the majority of the common stage list combined with tourney results that don't show that the other characters have that much of a chance in much cases means that it's fairly well deserved.
Street Fighter has characters that have fairly bad matchups, but nothing like the 95-5 of Ganondorf vs Falco or 100-0 Ganon IC that brawl has.
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Sakurai was very successful in making brawl an noncompetitive game, haha
I quit brawl because my marth was so terrible vs metaknight, I would lose in round one of tournaments to no name metaknights and I could almost go head to head with other decent people.
I think he should have been banned forever ago, although im glad they gave him a good chance. The fact that they need a ledge grab rule for him is absurd, and people tried to counter him with falco and icys, but it wasnt nearly enough since its so easy to space with MK.
I was playing melee when they decided it and everyone in the video game room freaked out it was intense. I think many of the brawl players saw it coming though, but im not sure, I just recently got back into the melee scene and I haven't been in the brawl scene for a few years now
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I'm happy they did it, though I lost interest in the competitive scene years ago and banning metaknight earlier may have been the only thing to keep me around (I was a ROB player, not a great character but super hard countered by metaknight, at least the rest of the matchups were winnable).
IMO metaknight really hurt the community in the long run. He's right on cusp of being so blatantly OP that it would be easy to ban, and on the other hand, being a "best character" that could still be beaten with higher skill and the correct characters.
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Fortunately for me I never picked up Meta, he didn't fit my style and I'm generally not the type to pick the strongest character or race at the start of a competitive game (why I started playing Zerg in the beta, too :p ).
Brawl just isn't a very balanced game, and it feels that way when you play it. Taking out some of the skill techniques further dampened the number of ways good players could distinguish themselves, and is why I like Melee a lot more.
Back on topic, the committee handled it extremely well, I agree. They made no rash decisions and gave the metagame (see what I did there?) time to see if they could adjust to Meta Knight. The answers weren't there and so they took the best course of action for the game. I'll be curious to see how tournaments change with Meta Knight gone.
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does anyone have a tournament vod from youtube with metaknight in it
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Metaknight was broken as shit, his normal A moves was like a shield. Jesus and all his moves had like 1st priority.
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On October 04 2011 06:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Metaknight was broken as shit, his normal A moves was like a shield. Jesus and all his moves had like 1st priority.
I thought meta knight was pretty hard to play. I would always press B and then just fall off the map and die. It was really frustrating.
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On October 04 2011 06:42 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Metaknight was broken as shit, his normal A moves was like a shield. Jesus and all his moves had like 1st priority. I thought meta knight was pretty hard to play. I would always press B and then just fall off the map and die. It was really frustrating.
LOL WAT
He was the spammiest shit in the world. You'd spam A up or A a million times and essentially do excessive damage. B-Side is first priority, no?
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On October 04 2011 06:34 desRow wrote:
does anyone have a tournament vod from youtube with metaknight in it
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Just a random video, nothing too special here, but you can find basically infinite of them if you search "m2k metaknight" (m2k being the best metaknight).
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Here's a famous match, probably much more towards the reason why he was banned.
Edit: added 2nd vid + spoiler tags
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What? Everyone knew metaknight was the best in the game by far. People had already been banning metaknights from tourneys. People had determined rankings with metaknight out of the metagame.
What's really terrible is that he was broken all levels of play. As a newbie you could just spam the tornado and no newbie would every be able to attack you (seriously metaknight completely ruins casual play). At amateur levels of play metaknight is crazy fast with the best and most varied recovery. And of course at pro levels he has the most favored matchups with and no real "hard counter."
Good riddance.
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"Competitive Brawl" is adorable.
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lol took them long enough ^^
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I've seen Ally in real life. He was in a tournament I played in years ago. Was some pronounced online Brawl king and nobody took him seriously (this was his first live tournament).
Wrecked everyone.
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On October 04 2011 06:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
I've seen Ally in real life. He was in a tournament I played in years ago. Was some pronounced online Brawl king and nobody took him seriously (this was his first live tournament).
Wrecked everyone.
IIRC he was the All Is Brawl online ladder #1 and then just started wrecking people irl too.
To be fair though, snake is one of the better characters when it comes to playing online, he doesn't require frame perfect actions to do important things (Ice climbers, for example) and the things that do require timing from snake have a large enough window to be done in lag online. (Like his snakedash)
Also when speaking of metaknights moves, nearly every single one of them has transcendent priority, or in other words he has no hurtbox associated with the hitboxes on his attacks so that means you can't trade with him unless you use a move that outranges his by such a large margin that you hit him and he doesn't even touch you. Another example of this priority in brawl is Falco's lasers, if you want to easily understand how much priority his moves get, you aren't trading with those.
The only thing I really disliked about meta is he has incinvibility on his shoryuken and if he whiffs you can't punish him all the time. >_>
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Wish this game never came out. It made "competitive smash" synonymous with "joke game", which is a shame, since melee was an incredibly deep, technical, and fast-paced game.
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On October 04 2011 06:57 Torte de Lini wrote:
I've seen Ally in real life. He was in a tournament I played in years ago. Was some pronounced online Brawl king and nobody took him seriously (this was his first live tournament).
Wrecked everyone.
Ally $1 MM everyone in my hotel at genesis (the first one) to help pay for his flight, haha. His brother was the best north american ROB at the time, so I was happy to take a stock and a half both matches.
My first ever tournament I lost my first round. My next opponent was a little kid with a wiimote + nunchuck that had also lost his first round. I was so happy, I was going to at least win 1 round! Only later did I come to find out it was ultimate razor... 
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Hasn't he been banned since release? I feel like this is the 5th time I read "Metaknight is now banned from tournaments!" I remember their reasoning was always something like that he doesn't have a single matchup worse than 50-50 in balance.
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