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Kipsate
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Laserist
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
Doesn't everybody kinda follow this logic of buying the important stuff first and then seeing how much you got left and getting the best thing you can afford? | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 29 2015 18:24 iXphobos wrote: Unarmored of course that is. With armor 94 or sth. Unarmored both the famas and galil will have that one HS kill, but even the glock midrange can do that... I still bought the galil after winning the pistol round on maps like dust2, but now i pretty much always buy the ak+kevlar immediatly because a lot of people just forcebuy pistols + helmets nowadays. Kinda risky of course but i try not to have close range fights and i don't lose it most of the time, or a team mate just picks it up. I just like being able to 1 shot people ^^ As for regular buys when i have less than 3700$, i will just buy tec9+kevlar+nades until they nerf that stupid pitol, then 'ill go back to galil :D | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
My logic is similar except smg and I always look around before I buy to see what my team does. My first criteria is to decide to eco or not. If it is not the second round after pistol and I can't afford an armor+rifle, mostly I go armorless p250. If I am rich enough to have 3k more than anyone around, I might buy a few more things. Sometimes I get mad and buy swag7 with a smoke & pray the enemy to make a dumb move. Sometimes it works. I think I buy p250 for all cases except dead broke CT which guarantees 2 full eco anyways. I still bought the galil after winning the pistol round on maps like dust2, but now i pretty much always buy the ak+kevlar immediatly because a lot of people just forcebuy pistols + helmets nowadays. I never buy a strong weapon after winning a pistol. A few lucky shots and you may lose an immense advantage imo. Rather I buy the cheapest smg and ratatata farm $. Giving away a strong weapon is too dangerous. | ||
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NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
On April 29 2015 20:16 Laserist wrote: My logic is similar except smg and I always look around before I buy to see what my team does. [...] Yeah, hence I said "Whenever my team spends all their money" - what I wrote above was only meant for full buy rounds of course! :p | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 29 2015 20:16 Laserist wrote: I rarely buy smg against armored. Unless I rush some awp(dust2 mid doors, inferno mid etc..), I buy p90 for run&gun. My logic is similar except smg and I always look around before I buy to see what my team does. My first criteria is to decide to eco or not. If it is not the second round after pistol and I can't afford an armor+rifle, mostly I go armorless p250. If I am rich enough to have 3k more than anyone around, I might buy a few more things. Sometimes I get mad and buy swag7 with a smoke & pray the enemy to make a dumb move. Sometimes it works. I think I buy p250 for all cases except dead broke CT which guarantees 2 full eco anyways. I never buy a strong weapon after winning a pistol. A few lucky shots and you may lose an immense advantage imo. Rather I buy the cheapest smg and ratatata farm $. Giving away a strong weapon is too dangerous. The way i see it is you wanna have close range battles with your smgs, but if they forcebuy, not only they suck vs helmets, but their pistols one shot you in the head so they have the advantage if you both HS at the same time. That won't happen with the AK. And again when i do buy it i go mid on most maps, or anywhere i'm confident i won't get caught off guard. Yes i lost rounds this way and gave them an AK, but i also won rounds we would have lost without it. It's a gamble, just a personnal preference. Anyway i don't do that all the time, mp7 is pretty good these days i heard so i buy it as well sometimes :D | ||
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Nimix
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ArtyK
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Miragee
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On April 29 2015 21:25 ArtyK wrote: And still, the best teams in the world buy AKs after winning the pistol round If you have seen recent games then you would have noticed that there are a lot of SMG buys happening after a won pistol round. Rifles are definitely less popular in those rounds in pro games. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 29 2015 21:28 Miragee wrote: If you have seen recent games then you would have noticed that there are a lot of SMG buys happening after a won pistol round. Rifles are definitely less popular in those rounds in pro games. I did notice it, notably nip even keeping the mp7s the 4th rounds vs rifles. But they also do buy aks still, or even galils (for example in fnatic vs tsm at pgl finals last week.) I'm not even arguing it's the wrong choice, i'm just saying i prefer going for an AK, and the TL guys i play with mostly always buy smgs, and pick up my ak when i fuck up :D | ||
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Nimix
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On April 29 2015 21:25 ArtyK wrote: And still, the best teams in the world buy AKs after winning the pistol round As Miragee said, there are lots of cases best teams buy smgs or at least blend them to farm. Since a buy from CT after a lost pistol round will cost you another extra eco round. Maybe it is kind of a rock/paper/scissor case which players mind game each other to guess smg/rifle/armor/eco situation and try to benefit most. Disclaimer, I am not even good let alone best | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 29 2015 21:31 Nimix wrote: From what I've seen recently, they buy one or two rifles then SMGs, but I don't watch that many pro games. In my opinion it's risky to spend all your money on an anti eco, as a rifle doesn't give you a big enough advantage against pistols to justify being on a full eco if you lose the round (with the exception of the AK, but as T it's even more risky as you can get instagibbed at corners). But it's a situational choice and a matter of preference, plus top teams might choose to buy rifles because they know their mates have their back and they are not going to lose them easily, thing you can't expect in MM and pugs most of the time Yeah i won't ever buy an m4 over and smg as ct in this scenario, some pros still buy famas, crazy. Its true i should be even more careful doing that when im solo queuing though | ||
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Miragee
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
One thing I do is I screw around with burst fire on the famas depending on what angle I'm holding. Sometimes at longer range I'll turn on burst fire, like when I'm playing banana and I'm playing car I can pop up on either side of car, and use that to my advantage to pop up and fire a burst then retreat either towards sandbags or b side, or just duck down and get ready to shoot again if I'm feeling confident. If I think I need to switch to full auto I do so for the ability to do regular spraydowns and such. I can use nades, flashes and smokes to retreat or setup for more shots. To be honest idk if this is a better strategy than just passively holding angles or using an SMG, but I like it a lot better. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
The only other positive thing about the famas that I can think is that the barrel doesn't stick out like the m4 does so you can hide round corners more easily, but that's not why you would want to buy a rifle for after winnin the first round. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On April 29 2015 23:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I used to buy the famas after winning the first round, but after I managed to hit someone 6 times fom long range and it didn't kill him, I buy smgs now. I don't see the point of buying a relatively expensive gun if it can't even kill properly at long range and has an wierd spray pattern at medium range. Compared to the galil it is weaker, and more inaccurate and more expensive. The only reason to buy it is that it is a rifle cheaper than the m4. Burst mode is bad. You woul be better off firing 3 shots manually instead. The only other positive thing about the famas that I can think is that the barrel doesn't stick out like the m4 does so you can hide round corners more easily, but that's not why you would want to buy a rifle for after winnin the first round. Yeah Famas is kind of frustrating, you can headshot-bodyshot someone with it and they'll still only take like 92 damage if they have armor. Sometimes when I don't have enough for the M4 I just buy a 5-7 and full nades and hold a close angle, or maybe grab an UMP. Not that I actually play at a high level (GN3). Edit: Also does anyone know what that enormous update was all about? | ||
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