EPTOn December 03 2014 00:18 Makro wrote:
is the ump45 relevant ?
is the ump45 relevant ?
SMGs are irrelevant ever since the CZ was put into the game. so no, the ump45 is irrelevant
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
SMGs are irrelevant ever since the CZ was put into the game. so no, the ump45 is irrelevant | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
Good sample size to sift through pick one you like. http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1ugdm1/post_your_crosshair_configs_with_screenshots/ | ||
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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On December 03 2014 00:26 LoneYoShi wrote: Hi. I don't really follow CS:GO or anything, and I'm sorry if this has been talked about already but could someone explain to me (CS:GO noob) what happened in that LDLC vs Fnatic game ? What is boosting ? Warowl has a nice video about it But to start off, boosting is a counter-strike mechanic in which a team uses 2+ players to place a player in a spot that he normally can't reach by himself to hold a spot that is hard for the other team to detect/reach without having an disadvantage in a gun fight. The problem here that the olof boost was 1st. map breaking as the map was not designed to be used like this as the CT team can now see 100% of the Ts' movements and adjust accordingly which goes against counter-strike fundamentals, 2nd. made some walls and clipping invisible due to the angle that you see them from the boost spot which is illegal as per tourney rules (not that dreamhack had any apparently), 3rd. was used by a team that had been saving that boost for 2 months and was already under fire coming into the tournament due to the absurd amount of hacking accusations of its players, 4th the team that used it did not reveal this to anyone that this boost existed so they could abuse it in a match which should have been reported to Valve when they discovered the boost so that it can be patched to account for reasons 1 and 2. | ||
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
On December 03 2014 00:21 Slardar wrote: Nice crosshair, that site is beautiful. It's all preference though, it truly is. Most people prefer a small crosshair static, varying levels of thickness. Shoxie uses the dynamic one which spreads out when you're walking but clusters like a normal crosshair when you stop movement. Good sample size to sift through pick one you like. http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1ugdm1/post_your_crosshair_configs_with_screenshots/ I wouldnt even see half of them in fast-paced situations. | ||
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Censured
Czech Republic1061 Posts
On December 03 2014 00:20 amazingxkcd wrote: SMGs are irrelevant ever since the CZ was put into the game. so no, the ump45 is irrelevant People are hating CZ so much it's not even funny. Yes, ump45 is relevant, like some other smgs, but only in second and third round if you win pistol round. Those smgs are really good against people without kevlar and the kill bonus is double what you get with CZ/rifle. Otherwise, in normal buy round, CZ would be indeed much better than ump45 (it's cheaper+better against kevlar). | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
really i just need to headshot with them more I think lol | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On December 03 2014 01:55 Censured wrote: People are hating CZ so much it's not even funny. Yes, ump45 is relevant, like some other smgs, but only in second and third round if you win pistol round. Those smgs are really good against people without kevlar and the kill bonus is double what you get with CZ/rifle. Otherwise, in normal buy round, CZ would be indeed much better than ump45 (it's cheaper+better against kevlar). No you don't understand. The reason why smgs in general are not frequently used is because most pros team force buy all the time. Which means that your second and third round ecos are almost non-existent. Instead, they buy armor + cz and you destroy any team foolish enough to go for smgs. This is also the reason why second rounds are lost so often by the team that won the first one, because you go against czs and you will lose a good percentage of those rounds. That doesnt mean you won't see a smg from time to time, but never a full team. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On December 03 2014 01:55 Censured wrote: People are hating CZ so much it's not even funny. Yes, ump45 is relevant, like some other smgs, but only in second and third round if you win pistol round. Those smgs are really good against people without kevlar and the kill bonus is double what you get with CZ/rifle. Otherwise, in normal buy round, CZ would be indeed much better than ump45 (it's cheaper+better against kevlar). in the 2nd round after pistols, the losing side will just cz + armor and you'll lose the fight cause you have wasted money on an smg. almost no one competent skips the armor buy 2nd round due to the mechanics of the economy. I would prefer using the cz 2nd round comparing to any smgs no matter if i won pistols or lost it. | ||
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Censured
Czech Republic1061 Posts
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7170 Posts
Do you think what he does in this video is actual legit gameplay. Why would you ever watch there? Im curious. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 03 2014 02:12 Yrr wrote: Do you generally buy a pistol for round one? usually ideally the entry fraggers will grab some armor and then someone should buy flashes and smokes some people like buying pistols on T, most dont. A lot of CT will get a five seven on their team or two cuz the T side likes armor. Armor is always good | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On December 03 2014 02:13 Luolis wrote: About Flusha i just want to hear one thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTmLlFzIcIo Do you think what he does in this video is actual legit gameplay. Why would you ever watch there? Im curious. That vod should be a pretty good defense for flusha against the hacking accusations since he couldnt possibly have cheated during that game. In dhw all the gear and all the computers were scanned and the players didnt have access to mobile phones or anything like that. The computers didnt even have internet connections... | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 03 2014 02:51 Elroi wrote: That vod should be a pretty good defense for flusha against the hacking accusations since he couldnt possibly have cheated during that game. In dhw all the gear and all the computers were scanned and the players didnt have access to mobile phones or anything like that. The computers didnt even have internet connections... Euh, there is ALWAYS a way to cheat, i am not saying this clip shows cheating, but you really can't make a statement like that. Sure, DH did their best to prevent any form of cheating, but there is always a way  | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On December 03 2014 03:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: Euh, there is ALWAYS a way to cheat, i am not saying this clip shows cheating, but you really can't make a statement like that. Sure, DH did their best to prevent any form of cheating, but there is always a way There is always a way, provided there is enough time and benefits to it. Neither of those two reasons were there at Dreamhack. How would a cheat provider devellop such a specific hack in such a short time (since it was revealed that DH would step up the anti-cheat effort). Most of it would have to involve difficult hardware stuff. And what would the cheat provider gain from such a risky and hard venture? Furthermore, why would Flusha even risk doing that knowing how many people would be looking very closely at his every move. In the end, I really can't justify any way for Flusha to have cheated at DH. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On December 03 2014 03:26 Roggay wrote: There is always a way, provided there is enough time and benefits to it. Neither of those two reasons were there at Dreamhack. How would a cheat provider devellop such a specific hack in such a short time (since it was revealed that DH would step up the anti-cheat effort). Most of it would have to involve difficult hardware stuff. And what would the cheat provider gain from such a risky and hard venture? Furthermore, why would Flusha even risk doing that knowing how many people would be looking very closely at his every move. In the end, I really can't justify any way for Flusha to have cheated at DH. The whole flusha thing was fun when I was bored and working, seeing the gifs etc and videos but, until there is something more concrete I won't believe it on face value. Is there a chance he cheated in the past and many others? Yeah. But at this DH unless some undetectable hack was already really well developed and wasnt affected, I doubt it was used at all. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On the other hand swag tweeted that they did took his mouse away from him. So, maybe it was random selection or smtgh, idk. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On December 03 2014 03:26 Roggay wrote: There is always a way, provided there is enough time and benefits to it. Neither of those two reasons were there at Dreamhack. How would a cheat provider devellop such a specific hack in such a short time (since it was revealed that DH would step up the anti-cheat effort). Most of it would have to involve difficult hardware stuff. And what would the cheat provider gain from such a risky and hard venture? Furthermore, why would Flusha even risk doing that knowing how many people would be looking very closely at his every move. In the end, I really can't justify any way for Flusha to have cheated at DH. Hacks can be designed to be stored in a keyboard or a mouse that automatically inject themselves when plugged in. Its actually pretty easy to do for the people who have the know how. People need to quit being so naive. There is big money in esports these days so there is a gigantic incentive to cheat as well. Historically, anti-cheat software was never solely relied upon by cs leagues to ban cheaters because historically, anti-cheat software is always multiple steps behind the cheat coders. Plenty of players have been banned via demo review by league admins, something that needs to happen in CSGO as well. Counting on VAC to clean the scene is an enormous mistake. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2052 Posts
A month ago I would've ruled any possibility out right away, but apparently there has been quite an amateur hour going on in some of the anticheat stuff on LANs. I do hope the wakeup call came in time, but the foolproof systems are rarely built in a day. Who knows how much catching up there is at the moment? Do I really think someone smuggled hacks into DHW? Not really. However, that boosting episode and rule confusion should have never happened either. I do hope the next CS:GO major takes their time and does their homework and steps up the game and puts a clear end to this kind of stuff. Right now it's probably best let things settle down and then figure out how to be absolutely sure nothing like this is going to happen again anytime soon. As said, there's plenty of homework to do for a lot of people right now, including the community, tournament organisers, Valve, Fnatic and probably some other folks too. Edit: Btw, can anyone confirm that they had no internet access? I can see them having their weapon skins, so apparently they're connected to something at least. | ||
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