On December 03 2014 04:23 Bacillus wrote: I think in a properly run LAN tournament there shouldn't be any real way to smuggle in cheats, but I'm not completely sure if it's absolutely foolproof at this point. As far as I can tell, the DHW anticheat system was put together hastily after the VAC stuff came up and I don't think the tournament organisers made a very convincing case with their preparation during the tournament.
A month ago I would've ruled any possibility out right away, but apparently there has been quite an amateur hour going on in some of the anticheat stuff on LANs. I do hope the wakeup call came in time, but the foolproof systems are rarely built in a day. Who knows how much catching up there is at the moment?
Do I really think someone smuggled hacks into DHW? Not really. However, that boosting episode and rule confusion should have never happened either. I do hope the next CS:GO major takes their time and does their homework and steps up the game and puts a clear end to this kind of stuff.
Right now it's probably best let things settle down and then figure out how to be absolutely sure nothing like this is going to happen again anytime soon. As said, there's plenty of homework to do for a lot of people right now, including the community, tournament organisers, Valve, Fnatic and probably some other folks too.
Edit: Btw, can anyone confirm that they had no internet access? I can see them having their weapon skins, so apparently they're connected to something at least.
I've tried not to post on the subject because it's such a freak show but w/e..
The very first video/post posted about cheating in this thread was the most blatant btw. I posted that before the whole "witchhunt" thing began and people started defending Fnatic just because they like to stick up for the minority opinion (which is a good thing ofc but I disagree with in this case).
On November 22 2014 15:30 MassHysteria wrote:
I know you guys couldn't possibly know this but that video was carefully chosen or I would have never posted that on here. The whole accuse-flusha bandwagon had not really even taken off. I have a tech. degree and I've played CS for over 11 years(I got into sc1 more after a while though) and I could not believe people were so easily saying players were cheating. When I saw this video though, there was no way I could keep lying to myself.
I would love to hear him explain that shooting in Mirage and other clips instead of putting out bullshit posts trying to make the community feel bad. If anything I think Fnatic just shows their youth in their handling of the situation they are in. They try to put stuff out that helps the people arguing for them instead of going over the facts themselves.
The reaction of shooting the guy coming from the corner is just not human. You could say that he knew the opposing player was going to come from Boiler, but then he would NOT have kept walking out towards the pit area like that. He would have stayed in cover from that boiler guy while he shot the immediate target in front of him. No player takes the time to shoot a second oncoming player like that, and if you slow it down, you can actually see him "aiming" at the head of the corner guy and then going back to the first guy and then back to the guy he killed coming from boiler. It is just such a non-human play. The way he flicks so fast to his head and then back and then checks again. It's almost like he didn't even believe what just happened.
P.S. In that game of that tourney, Steel is the camera director and a few seconds after he pretends to report Flusha for aim/wall hacking on live stream xD. So funny given everything now..
P.S.S For many people that video and others won't be evidence enough and that is fine(I would like to ask how long you've played/watched CS but that's another topic because EVERYONE has an opinion). What I feel and I think others feel is "shame on you for lying to me. Shame no me for lying to myself."
That video is the least suspicious of them all tbh, just looks like lucky spray, i dont see any unusual movement, he was tracking one guy and another just happened to line up behind him.
It doesn't look lucky in real time and it definitely doesn't look lucky when u slow it down.
if u pay attention, you can see his crosshair pull up to the guy coming from boiler right before he shoots the guy in front of him. SO he actually did know now that I think about it. The aimlock pulled to the guy from boiler and then he had to adjust to the guy in front of him.
edit: which means he pushed out into that angle on purpose..
well if it for example forced a headshot in that spray and the cheat chose the wrong head to headshot you'd get something a lot like the video he linked
not saying thats what happened but that's a very possible explanation.
hackers use more than 1 hack to be fair, aimlock its more about getting information (see if someone is coming behind wall or smoke) and super0 hack is for the headshots %
yeah that flusha clip looks like complete luck to me, I don't see any flicking. And he's also in the middle of running so there is no way he knows where his bullets are going. But I'm new to CS so who knows
I fully expect the CZ to get nerved very soon. It's taking away too much from the game at this point. Here's hoping they buff the deagle a bit to compensate (both because I think it could use it and because of my beautiful FN deagle pilot skin).
Talking of skins, if anybody wants to trade, I have this Factory New P2000 Chainmail that I don't need because I'm a USP user.
If anybody has a skin of similar value (obviously this is not a very valuable skin, currently at 1.47$ / 1.19€) and is interested in a trade I'd be up for it. It's just sitting in my inventory at the moment.
On December 03 2014 06:27 Striker.superfreunde wrote: hehe.. glock second best. Terrorist are more cool than cts anyways :>
The cz dilemma luckily doesn`t concern me at low level. It has it`s ups and downs like taz (?) said.
well if you add usps and p2k its a LOT higher than the glock lol re: cz's I don't even think there'd be any issue if the cz was functionally removed from the game (i mean not actually cuz skins but like make it unuseable in competitive or something). The deagle offers pistol buyers long-range 1-tap capability that lets them compete with rifles without being "too good" and other pistols and shotguns offer the eco-player an opportunity to win a close engagement some reasonable amount of the time. There's simply no reason for the cz to exist.
For me the inferno clip is the nastiest too. It's a very mechanical looking motion into a single headshot. I don't know if you could instinctively pick up the 2nd guy while focusing on the first one and switch after you think the 1st guy is dead, but I don't think there's really any explanation how you could so cleanly headshot him and move back to the 1st guy.
On December 03 2014 04:23 johnbongham wrote: Hacks can be designed to be stored in a keyboard or a mouse that automatically inject themselves when plugged in. Its actually pretty easy to do for the people who have the know how. People need to quit being so naive. There is big money in esports these days so there is a gigantic incentive to cheat as well. Historically, anti-cheat software was never solely relied upon by cs leagues to ban cheaters because historically, anti-cheat software is always multiple steps behind the cheat coders. Plenty of players have been banned via demo review by league admins, something that needs to happen in CSGO as well. Counting on VAC to clean the scene is an enormous mistake.
I couldn't agree more, especially the part in bold. I get the "innocent until proven guilty" thing but I think most people who say this are waiting for a VAC ban to happen as the only proof of hacking, something that might never even happen. Some pros could be hacking and VAC would probably NEVER catch them. VAC isn't a magical method that will detect every single hack there is, like johnbongham said "anti-cheat software is always multiple steps behind the cheat coders." Just look at how VAC can't even take care easily of all the hackers in MM. They even added Overwatch since obviously, VAC wasn't doing his job well enough. Now some people wait to see if VAC will ban pro players that might been hacking with cheats that VAC will most likely not even detect and without the need to "witchhunt" by the community to try and find anomalies in pro players play since no one is dedicated to that task that we can trust 100%?
That's why I think these "witchhunts" can be a good thing, if they can be done properly and by people who have a good/vast knowledge of the game and it's competitive play. Just like having specific people reviewing demos in tournaments/leagues to help catch hackers/faulty players would be a must-have since history have proven that it's a working method. It can only help if done properly.
Okay in slowmo the flusha thing looks even less suspicious. It's a random bullet that flies out because hes mid run that hits the other guy in the head. 100% luck in my eyes. Not for a second does his crosshair leave the jumping guy.
Confirm no. Speculate, and do research which may bring light onto something which otherwise 90% of the time would be hidden. Yes. We just need to ease on the intensity of our opinions.
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