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On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)
I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.
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On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
EXACTLY thats what i wanted to say but didnt find the words for it
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so why don't they go old school
Jousting
dreamhack
1v1. I can provide the horses
use keyboards as a lance.
break a lance is one point
if you unhorse him you win his computer
otherwise it isn't a fair tournament and I will not buy anymore dreamhack endorsed products
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The best idea would be to DQ fnatic from DH and 2-4 following tournaments from now on, but most people here don't even know about the impact SC:BW match-fixing scandal had, so here we go.
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On November 29 2014 05:09 Mensol wrote:
Guys, just like ceh9 says, dont blame the players, blame the game.
That wasnt fnatic's fault, blame the mapmaker.
They knew about an exploitable flaw in the map for 2 months and didn't say anything to Valve because they wanted to abuse it. Sure, seems legit.
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On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...
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On November 29 2014 05:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Thx for explaining to me what happened guys, I only noticed the shitstorm on twitter so was wondering what happened.
Some guy on reddit said he uploaded a video about the exploit a month ago, but got asked by fnatic to take it down for "dreamhack tactics", not sure if legit though.
Yeah, this would be really terrible. That they hid the exploit to use it, okay, but that they actively asked a guy to remove a thread about it would be downright dirty.
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did this little paint picture for you guys
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg)
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On November 29 2014 05:15 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
The best idea would be to DQ fnatic from DH and 2-4 future tournaments from now.
Or let them replay the 2nd half, and when there is the first engagment to be had: BAM flusha and Olof get VAGbanned and fnatic hast to Play the remaining rounds 3v5
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Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?
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On November 29 2014 05:14 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.
This is not a comparable example because not only was the Dota glitch not an intentional exploit, it did not directly violate an explicit rule. Pixel walking is not a new concept, and since it is directly addressed in the rules, any team looking to play deviously bears the burden of making sure that their maneuvers do not violate the rules.
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On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...
They knew about it for 2 months
devilwalk said it
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On November 29 2014 05:15 KelsierSC wrote:
so why don't they go old school
Jousting
dreamhack
1v1. I can provide the horses
use keyboards as a lance.
break a lance is one point
if you unhorse him you win his computer
otherwise it isn't a fair tournament and I will not buy anymore dreamhack endorsed products
Just leave this thread alone with your bs, ok?
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On November 29 2014 05:14 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.
That didnt broke any rules that was just a glitch
pixel walking its against the rules
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On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it
yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.
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On November 29 2014 05:17 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?
Yeah they wanted to win this more than LDLC.
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On November 29 2014 05:17 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?
well you are scum, so not surprising. :-P
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On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.
you would make such a nice attorney, oh w8...
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On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.
People went into HAMMER to check, there isn't a ledge on the column. It's pixel walking.
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