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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12079 Posts
November 28 2014 20:14 GMT
#14601
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)


I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 28 2014 20:14 GMT
#14602
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

EXACTLY thats what i wanted to say but didnt find the words for it
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 28 2014 20:15 GMT
#14603
so why don't they go old school

Jousting

dreamhack

1v1. I can provide the horses

use keyboards as a lance.

break a lance is one point

if you unhorse him you win his computer

otherwise it isn't a fair tournament and I will not buy anymore dreamhack endorsed products
Zerg for Life
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 20:17:43
November 28 2014 20:15 GMT
#14604
The best idea would be to DQ fnatic from DH and 2-4 following tournaments from now on, but most people here don't even know about the impact SC:BW match-fixing scandal had, so here we go.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 28 2014 20:16 GMT
#14605
On November 29 2014 05:09 Mensol wrote:
Guys, just like ceh9 says, dont blame the players, blame the game.

That wasnt fnatic's fault, blame the mapmaker.

They knew about an exploitable flaw in the map for 2 months and didn't say anything to Valve because they wanted to abuse it. Sure, seems legit.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8735 Posts
November 28 2014 20:16 GMT
#14606
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
November 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#14607
On November 29 2014 05:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Thx for explaining to me what happened guys, I only noticed the shitstorm on twitter so was wondering what happened.

Some guy on reddit said he uploaded a video about the exploit a month ago, but got asked by fnatic to take it down for "dreamhack tactics", not sure if legit though.


Yeah, this would be really terrible. That they hid the exploit to use it, okay, but that they actively asked a guy to remove a thread about it would be downright dirty.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 20:17:19
November 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#14608
did this little paint picture for you guys
[image loading]
bisu
cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
November 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#14609
On November 29 2014 05:15 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
The best idea would be to DQ fnatic from DH and 2-4 future tournaments from now.

Or let them replay the 2nd half, and when there is the first engagment to be had: BAM flusha and Olof get VAGbanned and fnatic hast to Play the remaining rounds 3v5

Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-28 20:17:41
November 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#14610
Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
November 28 2014 20:17 GMT
#14611
On November 29 2014 05:14 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)


I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.

This is not a comparable example because not only was the Dota glitch not an intentional exploit, it did not directly violate an explicit rule. Pixel walking is not a new concept, and since it is directly addressed in the rules, any team looking to play deviously bears the burden of making sure that their maneuvers do not violate the rules.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 28 2014 20:18 GMT
#14612
On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...

They knew about it for 2 months

devilwalk said it
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2014 20:18 GMT
#14613
On November 29 2014 05:15 KelsierSC wrote:
so why don't they go old school

Jousting

dreamhack

1v1. I can provide the horses

use keyboards as a lance.

break a lance is one point

if you unhorse him you win his computer

otherwise it isn't a fair tournament and I will not buy anymore dreamhack endorsed products

Just leave this thread alone with your bs, ok?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 28 2014 20:19 GMT
#14614
On November 29 2014 05:14 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)


I'll take an example from DotA. A team drafted brood + PotM, when using PotM ulti brood attacking wasn't visible. They didn't know about that interaction, even though it ended up being against the rules (there was no heroes that had that built in before Slark). This is also a bad example but from the other end.


That didnt broke any rules that was just a glitch

pixel walking its against the rules
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8735 Posts
November 28 2014 20:19 GMT
#14615
On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...

They knew about it for 2 months

devilwalk said it


yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
November 28 2014 20:19 GMT
#14616
some more interesting gifs: http://gfycat.com/HighHandsomeFreshwatereel#
bisu
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 28 2014 20:20 GMT
#14617
On November 29 2014 05:17 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?

Yeah they wanted to win this more than LDLC.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42384 Posts
November 28 2014 20:20 GMT
#14618
On November 29 2014 05:17 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one admiring fnatic's passion and integrity?


well you are scum, so not surprising. :-P
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
November 28 2014 20:20 GMT
#14619
On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...

They knew about it for 2 months

devilwalk said it


yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.

you would make such a nice attorney, oh w8...
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
November 28 2014 20:20 GMT
#14620
On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S


If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating.

does that matters in the upcoming decision ?


Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely.


I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no

it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it

(i know, bad example, but follows the same rule)

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"...

They knew about it for 2 months

devilwalk said it


yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful.

People went into HAMMER to check, there isn't a ledge on the column. It's pixel walking.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
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