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On November 29 2014 05:25 Mensol wrote:
I love how people accusing flusha for having aimlock or smh on LAN tournament R O F L.
you haven't been around the last weeks?
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On November 29 2014 05:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:24 Numy wrote:
Honestly with all the drama over the VAC bans this is one of the worst things that could happen. We needed this tournament to go off with no drama instead of this shit. don't pretend you aren't rock hard over the drama anything that drums up interest in the tournament is good
Like the matchfixing scandal really helped out Korean esports? They still feeling the consequences of to this day.
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rofl Thoorin is just great
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On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems
Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on.
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I love how some people seem to have no idea what has transpired these past few weeks and yet they still comment as though they know what they are talking about. L O L
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On November 29 2014 05:27 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
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If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on.
http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg
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Is this pixelwalking too?
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On November 29 2014 05:26 kuresuti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:24 farvacola wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:
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If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. What would an argument from Fnatic as to their not knowing that the exploit was pixel walking look like? Seriously, what would that actually look like? It is abundantly clear after looking at one still image that there is no ledge; given that Fnatic and its players have known about this maneuver for 2 months, how exactly are they to feign ignorance? "Oh, we thought there was a ledge there," just ain't gonna cut it. They could say they didn't look at the tournament rules.
Then they deserve a harsh punishment. I doubt that they would be that ignorant tho.
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On November 29 2014 05:27 farvacola wrote:
I love how some people seem to have no idea what has transpired these past few weeks and yet they still comment as though they know what they are talking about. L O L
afaik nobody knows anything atm which makes the whole thing so much more exciting :D
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Come on guys, if they have the balls of titanium to come in dh after the past few weeks, cheat and then get away with it then I think deserve to win, lol.
And regarding the boost, that was a godlike performance by olof, missed like 1 shot in 10 rounds.
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On November 29 2014 05:28 DaBears57 wrote:Is this pixelwalking too?
no because there is an object you can stand on and you just move away from it till you are only standing on it a tiny bit
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On November 29 2014 05:27 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:27 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:
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does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on. http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg
I still need more help understanding. He sees the enemy between a tree branch and the top of a wall?
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On November 29 2014 05:28 DaBears57 wrote:Is this pixelwalking too?
I dont think so, since there is a clear ledge.
Interactions betweens ledges and characters boxes is not what this is all about.
The question is was there a ledge there to begin with? Or is it just so invisible pixels.
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On November 29 2014 05:28 DaBears57 wrote:Is this pixelwalking too?
No
The point is people went into the map editor and confirmed that there is no ledge there for the guy to be standing on
obviously ur image has a ledge even if he's on the very edge of it
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On November 29 2014 05:28 cythaze wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:27 farvacola wrote:
I love how some people seem to have no idea what has transpired these past few weeks and yet they still comment as though they know what they are talking about. L O L afaik nobody knows anything atm which makes the whole thing so much more exciting :D
It is undisputed that pros have had access to LAN-ready cheats. Whether or not they actually are using them at DH is a different question, but when someone laughs off the possibility as though it were impossible, it's clear that they don't have a fuckin clue.
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On November 29 2014 05:28 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:27 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:27 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
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Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on. http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg I still need more help understanding. He sees the enemy between a tree branch and the top of a wall?
There used to be a wall blocking vision from the two bomb sites to T spawn regardless of position, but this boost allows the boosted player to see directly into T spawn and control the entire half of the map with a sniper.
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That Dignitas guy has some cool tattoos.
/like
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On November 29 2014 05:28 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:27 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:27 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
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Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on. http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg I still need more help understanding. He sees the enemy between a tree branch and the top of a wall?
he is looking through 4 walls into connector, cause from this side of the map there are no textures
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On November 29 2014 05:28 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:27 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:27 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:25 Aocowns wrote:On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:
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Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. how about the fact that it basically got them wallhack on some spots??? dont you think they might have suspected that to have been ILLEGAL? Fnatic is filled with fucking scumbags it seems Could you expand on this? I didn't notice any wallhack like things. Just an elevated point of view, he had many possible shots he never took because he didn't see the opponents under trees and so on. http://i.imgur.com/AgMocZA.jpg I still need more help understanding. He sees the enemy between a tree branch and the top of a wall?
he's seeing through the wall texture with that boost spot
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On November 29 2014 05:24 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 05:19 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:18 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:16 Doublemint wrote:On November 29 2014 05:13 ramon wrote:On November 29 2014 05:12 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:08 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:07 Faruko wrote:On November 29 2014 05:06 Yurie wrote:On November 29 2014 05:05 KasPra wrote:
Why is it that people still go like "they put more work in and explored the map, can't blame fnatic" etc when they intentionally and knowingly straight up cheated their way to a win? :S If fnactic didn't consider it pixel walking then it isn't knowingly cheating. does that matters in the upcoming decision ? Yes. If they knowingly cheat they will be DQ. If it is a grey zone a replay is more likely. I dont agree with you, if you do something thats against the rules you should be DQ whetever you know about it or no it doesnt matter like that, thats like stealing or something and saying that you never read X constitution, so you didnt knew about it (i know, bad example, but follows the same rule) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. but is indeed important in the extent of the "punishment"... They knew about it for 2 months devilwalk said it yes about the map bug/exploit. that it was pixel walking/against any rules? doubtful. What would an argument from Fnatic as to their not knowing that the exploit was pixel walking look like? Seriously, what would that actually look like? It is abundantly clear after looking at one still image that there is no ledge; given that Fnatic and its players have known about this maneuver for 2 months, how exactly are they to feign ignorance? "Oh, we thought there was a ledge there," just ain't gonna cut it.
They are players, and are cavemen otherwise? I don't know really. But as it is esports and as such constantly work in progress with rules and such one way or the other the outcome is gonna be unsatisfactory. Heck, even the jurisdiction we built ourselves in the "real world" over thousands of years does produce unsatisfactory outcomes from time to time.
What I could think of however is that because it is an issue coming up for the very first time that leniency is shown. Because imperfect world. I get people's frustration but try to differentiate between pure hate and legit criticism y'all.
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