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On August 31 2016 03:35 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 01:16 craz3d wrote:On August 29 2016 21:28 Bacillus wrote:
Is there still something officially bonkers with the jumping hitboxes? To me it feels like something still goes out of sync occassionally and stays like that for a brief moment after the jump has landed.
It's certainly a bit more challenging to combine vertical movement and vertical spray compensation into perfect tracking, but I'd like to think I'm not missing THAT badly as the game seems to suggest. Sometimes even very close range easy sprays seem to hit absolutely nothing.
It's certainly better than it used to be before the fix, but I still get way too many situations where the guy jumping simply sponges tons of bullets midair and then lands an easy headshot as soon as his feet touch the ground. I think this video might give an answer to your question. + Show Spoiler + Unless I'm missing something in the video, there's no answer there. Sometimes it may have something to do with lag compensation and interpolation, but often the time frame of bad hitreg is way beyond any kind of network delay or interpolation. We are not talking about a bullet or two getting negated because you actually were already killed from the server's viewpoint. That's completely fine and something I'm used to all the way from HL1 games. The stuff I'm referring to often takes more than half a second and happens even if the enemy doesn't kill me while I helplessly keep on spraying. Also, if it matters, I'm pinging about 10 ms by average on most servers. Finnish student internet is pretty badass with these latencies.Obviously it doesn't affect my enemy's latencies though.
The idea is that the player is at a different place when you see him. You could be aiming at a guy's head on your screen who is at the apex of his jump, while the server thinks his head is a little bit lower due to ping. At least that's what I got from the video. Of course you could be correct about the hitboxes being fucked up. Or maybe your sprays were way off in the instances that you mentioned.
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On August 29 2016 22:16 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 21:06 Ragnarork wrote:
What's kinda funny is that a lot of teams actually took a break right after the major, but somehow TL gets the blame for it.
I must say I'm quite impatient to be in October/November, because then teams will have practiced, played a lot more after all the roster changes and whatnot, and we'll see the new power relations emerge between them.
And pronax bae dominate. (Please) I don't really care what other teams did. For a team like liquid to have made it so close to the top and knowing that their best player is about to leave they should have had extra motivation to improve while other teams relaxed. Now it seems like they are back to the beginning.
Because obviously, there's only one recipe to get to the top, there's nothing that could have prevented Pimp from moving earlier(hint: maybe there was, and maybe moving to the US isn't like, doable overnight), the mood and motivation of the players is entirely predictable and easy to understand, etc.
Or maybe, just maybe, 5 players fresh and motivated are better in the long run than a burn out team after 3 months. But hey, playing for the long run isn't something you will notice in the first 10 games after the break.
So here's a suggestion: let's wait before labelling and judging teams, just like we're not considering Na'Vi to be the best team around yet, even if it looks good on paper.
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On September 07 2016 23:59 Luolis wrote:
I love Tyloo
anti strat gg.
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On September 08 2016 00:02 Rebs wrote:anti strat gg.
I dont think it was that much antistrat tbh. I think navi was really sloppy especially on their T side and Tyloo played some weird and cool setups that Navi had no idea how to counter. I think Tyloos playstyle is entertaining to watch and i hope they make it deep.
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On September 08 2016 00:10 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 00:02 Rebs wrote:On September 07 2016 23:59 Luolis wrote:
I love Tyloo anti strat gg. I dont think it was that much antistrat tbh. I think navi was really sloppy especially on their T side and Tyloo played some weird and cool setups that Navi had no idea how to counter. I think Tyloos playstyle is entertaining to watch and i hope they make it deep.
Their aggression catwalk with two CTs was completely anti-strat.
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On September 08 2016 00:10 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 00:02 Rebs wrote:On September 07 2016 23:59 Luolis wrote:
I love Tyloo anti strat gg. I dont think it was that much antistrat tbh. I think navi was really sloppy especially on their T side and Tyloo played some weird and cool setups that Navi had no idea how to counter. I think Tyloos playstyle is entertaining to watch and i hope they make it deep.
Bro the mid control plays was total anti strat. You dont play that way because "its cool". You play that way because you have a strong expectation of what the T's are going to do.
To be fair though what impressed me more was that even if they had advantageous duels alot of the time they won plenty of 50-50's. Then again alot of that comes down to the confidence you have in your homework and expecting players to be where you are looking.
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Yeah that was an antistrat but they didnt do it for all the ct rounds now did they? Navi lost so many advantaged rounds in this game, i think its not fair to say that it was purely antistratting that won tyloo the game lol. I especially remember that 5v3 where navi lost the bomb on ramp and lost the round because of that (or the 5v4 on second half with Edward missing a smoke). Come to think of it i think Edward was caught so many times offguard its not even funny.
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On September 08 2016 01:48 Luolis wrote:
Yeah that was an antistrat but they didnt do it for all the ct rounds now did they? Navi lost so many advantaged rounds in this game, i think its not fair to say that it was purely antistratting that won tyloo the game lol. I especially remember that 5v3 where navi lost the bomb on ramp and lost the round because of that (or the 5v4 on second half with Edward missing a smoke). Come to think of it i think Edward was caught so many times offguard its not even funny.
There is no such thing as an "anti strat" on all rounds. Thats not even what anti strat means or should ever mean.
Yes some rounds Na'vi played badly. But you have to appreciate that when your defaults stop working and you are put in uncomfortable situations, your ability to adapt is what has to pull you through, and someone has to read that and problem solve it on the fly.
otherwise it tends to spiral out of control. Tyloo just played solid and let Na'vi fall over themselves after Na'vi probably realized they were in a bit of jam. Which again is to their credit. They were definitely not lacking on skill, thats for sure.
You also need a bit of luck and the rub of the green going your way some rounds like the one you mentioned doesnt hurt either.
by the by thats why a guy like Pronax is godly, because he is really good at reading teams on the fly in addition to prep work. Thats also why 2015 Fnatic was so godly because all of their players would understand what was going on and could problem solve collectively
+ Show Spoiler + Thats also why good coaches are important but thats a separate story.
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On September 08 2016 01:59 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 01:48 Luolis wrote:
Yeah that was an antistrat but they didnt do it for all the ct rounds now did they? Navi lost so many advantaged rounds in this game, i think its not fair to say that it was purely antistratting that won tyloo the game lol. I especially remember that 5v3 where navi lost the bomb on ramp and lost the round because of that (or the 5v4 on second half with Edward missing a smoke). Come to think of it i think Edward was caught so many times offguard its not even funny. There is no such thing as an "anti strat" on all rounds. Thats not even what anti strat means or should ever mean. Yes some rounds Na'vi played badly. But you have to appreciate that when your defaults stop working and you are put in uncomfortable situations, your ability to adapt is what has to pull you through, and someone has to read that and problem solve it on the fly. otherwise it tends to spiral out of control. Tyloo just played solid and let Na'vi fall over themselves after Na'vi probably realized they were in a bit of jam. Which again is to their credit. They were definitely not lacking on skill, thats for sure. You also need a bit of luck and the rub of the green going your way some rounds like the one you mentioned doesnt hurt either. by the by thats why a guy like Pronax is godly, because he is really good at reading teams on the fly in addition to prep work. Thats also why 2015 Fnatic was so godly because all of their players would understand what was going on and could problem solve collectively + Show Spoiler + Thats also why good coaches are important but thats a separate story.
Ye pretty much. Thats why i think describing that game with "anti strat gg" alone is a bit disingenous.
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On September 08 2016 02:07 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2016 01:59 Rebs wrote:On September 08 2016 01:48 Luolis wrote:
Yeah that was an antistrat but they didnt do it for all the ct rounds now did they? Navi lost so many advantaged rounds in this game, i think its not fair to say that it was purely antistratting that won tyloo the game lol. I especially remember that 5v3 where navi lost the bomb on ramp and lost the round because of that (or the 5v4 on second half with Edward missing a smoke). Come to think of it i think Edward was caught so many times offguard its not even funny. There is no such thing as an "anti strat" on all rounds. Thats not even what anti strat means or should ever mean. Yes some rounds Na'vi played badly. But you have to appreciate that when your defaults stop working and you are put in uncomfortable situations, your ability to adapt is what has to pull you through, and someone has to read that and problem solve it on the fly. otherwise it tends to spiral out of control. Tyloo just played solid and let Na'vi fall over themselves after Na'vi probably realized they were in a bit of jam. Which again is to their credit. They were definitely not lacking on skill, thats for sure. You also need a bit of luck and the rub of the green going your way some rounds like the one you mentioned doesnt hurt either. by the by thats why a guy like Pronax is godly, because he is really good at reading teams on the fly in addition to prep work. Thats also why 2015 Fnatic was so godly because all of their players would understand what was going on and could problem solve collectively + Show Spoiler + Thats also why good coaches are important but thats a separate story.
Ye pretty much. Thats why i think describing that game with "anti strat gg" alone is a bit disingenous.
Well I was being deliberately flippant lol. Point being this is the kind of thing Brazilian teams did frequently but I would like to see a real run from Tyloo before I start taking them a bit more seriously. Would be great if they could ofcourse. And they have a real shot at it now.
BTW I spoke to some of the Heroic players at Norther Arena, also got to stand behind them and watch their games vs Echo fox because the setup was like oldschool lans and very informal.
Really nice talking to them about how they were working on nuke and stuff. You learn alot and they arent shy to take about how they think about the game if you ask the right questions.
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This is such a game of throws holy shit
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Tyloo that was your game through and through 
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Encore 1-1 vs hellraisers in eleague quali. Pretty embarassing that a team of retirees is best in finland and embarassing for hr that encore won a map vs them lol
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I'm pretty sure there isn't much left that could really embarass HR at this point.
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FFS Sadokist! Counterstrafing doesn't make jumpshots accurate!!!
Jeez ... -.-
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So, Godsent had pronax doing entries. Yeah no.
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allu, what a player, gets 2 kills in the 1v5
gets the bomb and runs to B, stops for like 2 seconds because reasons, and doesnt get the bomb plant in time, and then dies and loses his awp
from god to bot allu in twitch in like 5 seconds
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