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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#10001
Dual Spork builds are the typical caster build (Spark + Fork + Spell totem). If you're going to limit yourself to those skills then ice spear should do be better than artic breath, but you probably won't have a fun time clearing merciless with an inferior build on your first character.
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Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
September 21 2013 19:45 GMT
#10002
Just noticed we broke 10,000 posts. :D
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 19:48:42
September 21 2013 19:47 GMT
#10003
On September 22 2013 04:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Dual Spork builds are the typical caster build (Spark + Fork + Spell totem). If you're going to limit yourself to those skills then ice spear should do be better than artic breath, but you probably won't have a fun time clearing merciless with an inferior build on your first character.


I already had a very fun time clearing normal. Even Peity took me 30 mins, ~10 portal scroll and around the same amount of deaths haha ;_;
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 22:10:02
September 21 2013 22:02 GMT
#10004
On September 22 2013 03:58 vndestiny wrote:
Guys I have a quick question, This is my first play through, and I'm building a cold + fire witch as my first char ( no totem, just pure caster ). I'm wondering about what main cold skill to use. Since I have reach Cruel, and after a quest I was presented with Artic Breath. So in the end, Artic Breath or Ice Spear, which one is better? As in which one is more fun to play and can help me finish the game in P v E.

Ice Spear! When you get your LMP or maybe even GMP you will love icespear and the crit-part of it.
Get some crit-dmg multiplier and you will have almost no problem clearing merciless.
You can even try to socket 2 different IceSpear gems to dedicate one for single target and one for AoE action
Oh and btw, beware of Reflect Dmg in Cruel/Merciless, reflected Crithits can hurt when you are not capped on your cold resi's

For Fire btw, the only REALLY viable skill is fire trap(excluding "pro"builds like discharger/ms/any seartouchbuild) and to certain extends fireball and incinerate. Tho Ice as element is pretty stronk.

On September 22 2013 04:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Dual Spork builds are the typical caster build (Spark + Fork + Spell totem). If you're going to limit yourself to those skills then ice spear should do be better than artic breath, but you probably won't have a fun time clearing merciless with an inferior build on your first character.

Da fuq is this? You are giving bad advice. Dual Spokers suck untill Docks/Maps.
Dual Spork benefits from being lowlife/MF. Thats why they are envogue. Not because they are flat out better than other caster builds. And he is obviously playing for his first time. Hence pointing him at a either Lowlife or Full ES build which is for map-clearing missing the intention imho.
In terms of DPS there are plenty of viable builds.
Noobfriendly Cookiecutter Build would be Freezing Pulser for example ... but NOT dualspork -.-
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 22:35:33
September 21 2013 22:24 GMT
#10005
The point was more that choosing fire or ice is dumb because lightning is superior, and if you google any spork build it will tell you not to clear normal/cruel with spark. If he is gonna become a dual spork build by copying the three skill gems I posted then ^_^

Hence pointing him at a either Lowlife or Full ES build which is for map-clearing missing the intention imho.


I pointed him in the direction of the efficient and popular build because if you're going to copy something it might as well be the good build. Also dual spork is good because it works without being low life or full es. Totem builds are strong entry map characters because you don't need as much survival stats since you don't get hit as much. The idea that for Spork you need gear to be low life or CI is simply not true.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Svetz
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia311 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 23:44:08
September 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#10006
Started doing maps now with my first Character. Have to admit this is quite fun. I'm pretty much a pure summoner witch with fire storm backup, using flame sentinel spectres. I'm playing clean (solo, no trading) and I can clear level 70 maps in maybe 10-15 minutes each (level 63) but I've noticed I don't really find ANY upgrades anymore, is trading the only way to improve your gear end game, or is there a realistic chance of getting uniques/6links without trades?

Also those guys who throw bombs are not my friends
When I grow up I want to be Harry Dresden ;(
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 01:35:14
September 22 2013 01:31 GMT
#10007
Thanks for the advice guys I would definitely have to create a new char since mine died like 20 times in normal act 3 ... ( partly because I have a pathetic pc which keeps getting me animation lag at very important times...)

Anyways I just don't like Lightning as an element overall, never use lightning for sorc in D2, not even once haha. So I'm thinking of making a totem witch, using ancestral bonds and chaos inoculation, because they seem pretty cool .

Therefore spell totem + ice spear + LMP with high crit, or Flame totem ( with what though :/ ) ? Or they're both viable to help me clear merciless ?

Also should I focus more in Curse ? Since I think enfeeble and critical weakness is pretty awesome.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 06:04:39
September 22 2013 05:16 GMT
#10008
Just died in the 3 hour Cutthroat. Our 2 people died to Merveil, one forgot to get the spike and got left behind, another died to vaal. We entered sarn and got halfway through and a 6 man party entered, they all had leapslam so they were on us before we could tp out and I died, I have no clue how he lived but our Templar did. Was level 23 about 2 hours in. 9th overall and 1st Witch by about 2.5 levels at the time.

Edit: wow, I rerolled with 11 minutes left and hit level 6. I was 6th witch overall. LOL. 11 minutes for 2 points.
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
September 22 2013 11:51 GMT
#10009
On September 22 2013 10:31 vndestiny wrote:
Thanks for the advice guys I would definitely have to create a new char since mine died like 20 times in normal act 3 ... ( partly because I have a pathetic pc which keeps getting me animation lag at very important times...)

Anyways I just don't like Lightning as an element overall, never use lightning for sorc in D2, not even once haha. So I'm thinking of making a totem witch, using ancestral bonds and chaos inoculation, because they seem pretty cool .

Therefore spell totem + ice spear + LMP with high crit, or Flame totem ( with what though :/ ) ? Or they're both viable to help me clear merciless ?

Also should I focus more in Curse ? Since I think enfeeble and critical weakness is pretty awesome.

Go for the IceSpear style. Normally Icespear is suppar because of the recflect damage from crits you would take. With totems you don't have to worry about that.

My last sentiment to the "dualspork best"; just wrong. It is the current meta, but nothing more. Cause of what i stated above.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3456 Posts
September 22 2013 15:41 GMT
#10010
Oh ok thanks a lot . This game remindsme of my Median days so much. Btw just in case I wanna use flame totem in the future, I have some last questions :
- Blind is a must for flame totem yes?
- Since burn is a 4/3 dot of a single crit attack, and flame totem attack is many fast hits with very small damage, ignite or investment in crits / burn isn't a good idea?
- Does LMP works with it? Spork and chain prob do not.
- What does Faster projectile do for flame totem. I saw a few ppl recommended it?

bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 16:01:36
September 22 2013 16:00 GMT
#10011
On September 23 2013 00:41 vndestiny wrote:
Oh ok thanks a lot . This game remindsme of my Median days so much. Btw just in case I wanna use flame totem in the future, I have some last questions :
- Blind is a must for flame totem yes?
- Since burn is a 4/3 dot of a single crit attack, and flame totem attack is many fast hits with very small damage, ignite or investment in crits / burn isn't a good idea?
- Does LMP works with it? Spork and chain prob do not.
- What does Faster projectile do for flame totem. I saw a few ppl recommended it?


Haven't played around with Flame Totem yet so nothing granted:
Since its projectile based and should work like incinerate projectile speed will increase the range of each volley, so in essence they shoot farer.
LMP should work since its a projectile type spell.
Crit could work since it has quite a nice attack speed, lots of attacks works well with crit. Tho 4% critchance is not much!
As far as you elaborated on burn damage I would agree with you.

In general you might want to try a Searing Touch in combination with flame totem
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 16:10:39
September 22 2013 16:07 GMT
#10012
On September 22 2013 20:51 bluQ wrote:
My last sentiment to the "dualspork best"; just wrong. It is the current meta, but nothing more. Cause of what i stated above.


It it current meta because lightning is better than cold; The additional multiplicative damage bonus from shock is that good. Ice spear simply isn't just as good as spark.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
September 22 2013 16:16 GMT
#10013
On September 23 2013 01:07 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:51 bluQ wrote:
My last sentiment to the "dualspork best"; just wrong. It is the current meta, but nothing more. Cause of what i stated above.


It it current meta because lightning is better than cold; The additional multiplicative damage bonus from shock is that good. Ice spear simply isn't just as good as spark.

If better is defined purely by what does more damage, then yes. But freezing/chilling mobs adds an insane amount of survivability to any character. My CI EB character than i'm working on will be using Ice Spear + LMP + Crit Chance + Faster Casting + Blind/Cold Pene + Proliferate in addition to the Asenath Gloves so that I can get maximum freeze/chill duration + temp chains + blind onto as many enemies as possible.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 22 2013 16:19 GMT
#10014
On September 23 2013 01:16 Varanice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 01:07 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:51 bluQ wrote:
My last sentiment to the "dualspork best"; just wrong. It is the current meta, but nothing more. Cause of what i stated above.


It it current meta because lightning is better than cold; The additional multiplicative damage bonus from shock is that good. Ice spear simply isn't just as good as spark.

If better is defined purely by what does more damage, then yes. But freezing/chilling mobs adds an insane amount of survivability to any character. My CI EB character than i'm working on will be using Ice Spear + LMP + Crit Chance + Faster Casting + Blind/Cold Pene + Proliferate in addition to the Asenath Gloves so that I can get maximum freeze/chill duration + temp chains + blind onto as many enemies as possible.


I agree, but that isn't a concern for a lowlife/MF farming character.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 23:34:25
September 23 2013 23:33 GMT
#10015
On September 23 2013 01:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 01:16 Varanice wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:07 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:51 bluQ wrote:
My last sentiment to the "dualspork best"; just wrong. It is the current meta, but nothing more. Cause of what i stated above.


It it current meta because lightning is better than cold; The additional multiplicative damage bonus from shock is that good. Ice spear simply isn't just as good as spark.

If better is defined purely by what does more damage, then yes. But freezing/chilling mobs adds an insane amount of survivability to any character. My CI EB character than i'm working on will be using Ice Spear + LMP + Crit Chance + Faster Casting + Blind/Cold Pene + Proliferate in addition to the Asenath Gloves so that I can get maximum freeze/chill duration + temp chains + blind onto as many enemies as possible.


I agree, but that isn't a concern for a lowlife/MF farming character.

An extreme example, but I was just giving an example where what I was saying is true. Spark is definitely better for dual totem low life farming.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 05:21:02
September 24 2013 05:20 GMT
#10016
Got first templar in the 8 hour party pretty much solo. I did the race with Willywonka and some of his friends but they all died in act2 normal, so I was soloing the other almost 7 hours.

Willywonka is a really cool and nice dude on and off-stream.

Personal highlight was when I asked for a transmute to buy a jade ammy and everyone started telling me that I should buy it with my wisdom scrolls (/facepalm). They were genuinely convinced that you can buy ammys with wisdom scrolls lol, that's when I realized that most of them probably werent gonna make it to the end. Definitely a lot of inexperienced racers in that group.

But you can tell that Willywonka is really good at the game, if he does more races and gets a little more experience he will be one of the top racers in no time I'm sure.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
September 24 2013 06:52 GMT
#10017
anyone doing the week turbo? I'm tempted just for the LoLs, going to play a super defensive char. EK marauder maybe
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SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
September 24 2013 17:52 GMT
#10018
Frustrating race. Didn't get a single sabre to roll, no damage on my gear so I died to merveil. Some times races just feel really unfair. My gear was so trash there is just nothing you can do. blah
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 18:03:56
September 24 2013 17:57 GMT
#10019
Only damage item I found up to Brutus was a 13% rusted sash that I didn't even bother using. Starting 2handed sword, using 4 slow swings on white mobs =D

Ended up dying to 2x champion pack in sins2 at #5, I don't even know man. I had 2x coral 35 leather belt, defensive spec, strength amulet. Felt really REALLY tanky, no shock stacks, but nope...

edit: Really feels like you need extreme luck to go for almost 2 hours without a nasty desynch as leap slam. But I've tried so many times with dual wield cleave in longer races, and leap slammers simply farm so much faster than you, even with 2x quicksilvers, no armor, 2x iron rings, 60+ ipd weapons they still outfarm you :D

Maybe I'll try muling cleave for ele cleave templar next long race.
sprættemætute
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 18:02:26
September 24 2013 18:01 GMT
#10020
On September 24 2013 15:52 EchelonTee wrote:
anyone doing the week turbo? I'm tempted just for the LoLs, going to play a super defensive char. EK marauder maybe


I'm probably going to play on and off as an Ice Nova/Molten Shell EE witch, though odds are high I just end up being Ice Nova. Sadly I'll have to leech or tp spam a lot of bosses.

On September 25 2013 02:57 ZoRoXo wrote:
Only damage item I found up to Brutus was a 13% rusted sash that I didn't even bother using. Starting 2handed sword, using 4 slow swings on white mobs =D

Ended up dying to 2x champion pack in sins2 at #5, I don't even know man. I had 2x coral 35 leather belt, defensive spec, strength amulet. Felt really REALLY tanky, no shock stacks, but nope...


What kind were they? If there weren't shock stacks, they weren't crit, so if you were near walls it had to be splitters.
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