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Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany833 Posts
October 22 2021 08:55 GMT
#33441
Think i will just start chaos stuff on occultist, maybe more on the evasion side with ghost shrouds... i kinda miss ed/contagion, maybe time to test out bane again also... although the last time i did that, i just went back to ed/cont after a while.
Chaos gear is also really nice to just craft yourself.

Any thoughts on the new trickster node? My first impression was "well, that kinda sucks i guess", but now i wonder if it works with RF and arakali pantheon. Would be kinda neat if you just didnt take RF damage half of the time (or is it 1/3? Does "for 5 seconds every 10 seconds" mean its 50% of the time or do the 10s start after the 5s ended again? Should be the first, right? Its like that on Chieftain i think.
Theres no way i league start RF though to test it out.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 09:12:57
October 22 2021 09:11 GMT
#33442
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right? Pretty nice.... Will probably have to do that, less rerolling of maps is a huge plus.

RF league start with Scorching Ray will be great, many streamers will do that apparently. Should be so much easier than ever.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10935 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 10:15:36
October 22 2021 10:13 GMT
#33443
I'm probably going LL-Bane-Occultist again for a starter, really liked it despite not playing much last league.


What makes this league particulary good for RF? Did I miss something? Oh, just found it... A straight 60% Buff O_o?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 10:21:29
October 22 2021 10:20 GMT
#33444
On October 22 2021 19:13 Velr wrote:
I'm probably going LL-Bane-Occultist again for a starter, really liked it despite not playing much last league.


What makes this league particulary good for RF? Did I miss something? Oh, just found it... A straight 60% Buff O_o?

Also Inquisitor got 50% inc effect for their Consecrated Ground, +3% Fire res on the tree (might be overkill though). Aside from that Scorching Ray, which actually deals the damage against tough mobs, got buffed. +2% Life regen while moving from mastery helps too. I'd guess those are the main things
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
October 22 2021 11:34 GMT
#33445
well, EE got gutted, didn't it? so that's a huge loss to RF / SR. not sure how much the damage numbers balance out

I'm thinking of trying this Berserker Spectral Helix + Oni Garoshi build.. might be hard to build but looks fun

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Link] +
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 13:05:35
October 22 2021 13:04 GMT
#33446
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
October 22 2021 13:30 GMT
#33447
Hmmm.... Tornado looks cool but the clear might be highly questionable, I guess it's gonna be more used vs bosses?

Concoction skills also look really cool but those might struggle on bosses? :o
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8693 Posts
October 22 2021 13:43 GMT
#33448
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?

On October 22 2021 22:30 r.Evo wrote:
Hmmm.... Tornado looks cool but the clear might be highly questionable, I guess it's gonna be more used vs bosses?

Concoction skills also look really cool but those might struggle on bosses? :o


Concoction skills can shotgun which should be an upside vs bosses. For poisonous concoction you have plague bearer as well.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 13:49:24
October 22 2021 13:46 GMT
#33449
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 13:55:09
October 22 2021 13:50 GMT
#33450
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:30 r.Evo wrote:
Hmmm.... Tornado looks cool but the clear might be highly questionable, I guess it's gonna be more used vs bosses?

Concoction skills also look really cool but those might struggle on bosses? :o


Concoction skills can shotgun which should be an upside vs bosses. For poisonous concoction you have plague bearer as well.

Ohhhh.... I didn't know they can shotgun, now I'm definitely interested. Any guide recommendations, poisonous especially? Plaguebearer builds also tend to be super awesome for early map clears.

Do we know if the blood crucible thingy is character based or account wide?

e: I just got through the endgame changes, I'm actually hyped. Just need something that can clear all the good stuff now. :>
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
October 22 2021 13:58 GMT
#33451
On October 22 2021 22:50 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?

On October 22 2021 22:30 r.Evo wrote:
Hmmm.... Tornado looks cool but the clear might be highly questionable, I guess it's gonna be more used vs bosses?

Concoction skills also look really cool but those might struggle on bosses? :o


Concoction skills can shotgun which should be an upside vs bosses. For poisonous concoction you have plague bearer as well.

Ohhhh.... I didn't know they can shotgun, now I'm definitely interested. Any guide recommendations, poisonous especially? Plaguebearer builds also tend to be super awesome for early map clears.

Do we know if the blood crucible thingy is character based or account wide?

e: I just got through the endgame changes, I'm actually hyped. Just need something that can clear all the good stuff now. :>


Not sure, but from a concept standpoint it would be strange if you put a item and one characters chest crucible only to pop in an other characters.
GO OG
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 14:11:16
October 22 2021 13:58 GMT
#33452
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction

Exactly, and what even has 20% increased damage taken for ele dmg? Should even work for Berserker.

r.Evo look at the build Mathil will start with, it's in his build guide vid, about 6 minutes in: + Show Spoiler +


edit: I just read he'll start with Spectral Helix, but still it's there. Otherwise, check out Nugi's recent stream, he'll play it too. Would most definitely be a more solid build if you wanna do hard content.

edit2: https://pastebin.com/u9hF9gEd this is his PoB
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8693 Posts
October 22 2021 14:06 GMT
#33453
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction


Oh ok. Forget it then. Where does the 20% increased damage taken in your calculation come from though?

On October 22 2021 10:51 FaCE_1 wrote:
Here what I made up for what I'll start with (Even tough I can only start 1st Dec ).
note: I'm not a expert of any sort in build but I think it look good.
note2: the items are just random in it expect for the staff.
https://pastebin.com/JJ77rP9C

Build is an Occultist Bane/ED/Blight and going CI


and I would really like to do a second build using the new gem "Energy Blade", it look pretty sick.


You allocated CI and PA. Depending on whether you want make use of the "1% dot muli per 4% chaos res" mastery you took, CI is not a good choice because it just makes you immune and doesn't set your chaos res to 100 anymore. Melding is also better without CI now.
I would probably go for Low Life with that build, stack some more defensive auras and either get the +1 curse wheel (could go enfeeble on cwdt) or the ES/Mana wheel, which would make it a lvl 94/95 tree if that's feasible for you? If you are only able to start on 1st of Dec then low life should be easier to achieve on a first char than on actual league start as well.

Take all of this with a grain of salt, I have never played an ES build before. :D Also, you played something similar last league, didn't you?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 14:11:32
October 22 2021 14:10 GMT
#33454
On October 22 2021 22:58 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction

Exactly, and what even has 20% increased damage taken for ele dmg?


Shocked ground is the easiest example. It's also 50% increased in red maps so the math becomes a lot worse.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 14:17:16
October 22 2021 14:13 GMT
#33455
On October 22 2021 23:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction

Exactly, and what even has 20% increased damage taken for ele dmg?


Shocked ground is the easiest example.

Actually true, forgot that one. So either get shock immune or survive 10% reflect, the later might be doable for my ignite char tbh.

edit: Right shit gotta be shock immune in red maps then. Or simply don't play maps with shocked ground + reflect, but mistakes would happen. =)
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 17:06:26
October 22 2021 15:30 GMT
#33456
On October 22 2021 23:06 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction


Oh ok. Forget it then. Where does the 20% increased damage taken in your calculation come from though?

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 10:51 FaCE_1 wrote:
Here what I made up for what I'll start with (Even tough I can only start 1st Dec ).
note: I'm not a expert of any sort in build but I think it look good.
note2: the items are just random in it expect for the staff.
https://pastebin.com/JJ77rP9C

Build is an Occultist Bane/ED/Blight and going CI


and I would really like to do a second build using the new gem "Energy Blade", it look pretty sick.


You allocated CI and PA. Depending on whether you want make use of the "1% dot muli per 4% chaos res" mastery you took, CI is not a good choice because it just makes you immune and doesn't set your chaos res to 100 anymore. Melding is also better without CI now.
I would probably go for Low Life with that build, stack some more defensive auras and either get the +1 curse wheel (could go enfeeble on cwdt) or the ES/Mana wheel, which would make it a lvl 94/95 tree if that's feasible for you? If you are only able to start on 1st of Dec then low life should be easier to achieve on a first char than on actual league start as well.

Take all of this with a grain of salt, I have never played an ES build before. :D Also, you played something similar last league, didn't you?




Dam, if CI doesn't put you at 90 res like before, then ill just go low life!

Ill redo my tree for that thx

edit: new PoB as low life: https://pastebin.com/HrSxSEka
just not sure if should anoit Corruption or Foresight (or maybe something else) but I think Corruption is really needed.
n_n
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 15:58:06
October 22 2021 15:50 GMT
#33457
On October 22 2021 22:58 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction

Exactly, and what even has 20% increased damage taken for ele dmg? Should even work for Berserker.

r.Evo look at the build Mathil will start with, it's in his build guide vid, about 6 minutes in: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTFO2sRfEFo


edit: I just read he'll start with Spectral Helix, but still it's there. Otherwise, check out Nugi's recent stream, he'll play it too. Would most definitely be a more solid build if you wanna do hard content.

edit2: https://pastebin.com/u9hF9gEd this is his PoB

Thank you!

That actually looks neat. Not sure if that build can do endgame endgame, but getting there should be smooth at least.


e: HOLD UP

Penance brand is back on the menu without the Cluster Jewel?! That looks completely unchanged!
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany833 Posts
October 22 2021 17:49 GMT
#33458
On October 22 2021 20:34 EchelonTee wrote:
well, EE got gutted, didn't it? so that's a huge loss to RF / SR. not sure how much the damage numbers balance out

I'm thinking of trying this Berserker Spectral Helix + Oni Garoshi build.. might be hard to build but looks fun

+ Show Spoiler [Youtube Link] +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXkKOk_F3pA


I like that guy. His brain comes up with really interesting und funny concepts. But be warned that he is generally okay with being a sc warrior and dying a bunch if it doesnt lose him a bossfight or so.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany833 Posts
October 22 2021 17:55 GMT
#33459
On October 22 2021 23:13 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2021 23:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:58 HolydaKing wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:43 Miragee wrote:
On October 22 2021 22:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 22 2021 18:11 HolydaKing wrote:
I'm also wondering about one thing: Reflect. It'd be great to run reflect maps. If I take 60% reduced reflect from Elemental Mastery and 50% from Yugul that should make me completely immune, right?


Increased damage taken modifiers stack additively against that so you'll end up killing yourself.


It's reduced not less though, so it shouldn't even make you immune without any increased damage taken modifiers?


Reduced and increased modifiers stack additively. If I have 50% reduced + 60% reduced from the above and 20% increased damage taken I end up taking 10% of the damage.

50+60 = 110% damage reduction so you're effectively immune.

50+60-20 = 90% damage reduction

Exactly, and what even has 20% increased damage taken for ele dmg?


Shocked ground is the easiest example.

Actually true, forgot that one. So either get shock immune or survive 10% reflect, the later might be doable for my ignite char tbh.

edit: Right shit gotta be shock immune in red maps then. Or simply don't play maps with shocked ground + reflect, but mistakes would happen. =)


Could also get reduced reflect damage taken mod on a ring also (hunter or shaper for spells, even ilvl 68+ can get you up to 45% reduced). Sybils is even 80%, but only has a few mediocre attack mods and nothing else.
But there are options at least
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany833 Posts
October 22 2021 18:55 GMT
#33460
sitting solid around 58K in the queue because i was on the phone and forgot to start the game Looking forward to see you all soon :D
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