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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
September 04 2017 10:18 GMT
#26081
Yeah. Im trying to envy craft an amulet as well, so far no luck, so for now just holding onto the super high life rolls.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
September 04 2017 12:47 GMT
#26082
On September 04 2017 09:53 Fleetfeet wrote:
Is there a central figure to TL PoE I should dump currency to? I think I'm done with this season and if there was some caring person that would put currency to good use or redistribute it for newer people then that'd be k.

Otherwise I've got like 40c and a few hundred other currencies that would just not do anything.

Oh also a tabula rasa

Nah, if you're not into hoarding for perm leagues then either grab someone who is online and gets lucky now or throw it into guildstash and announce that you did if you'd like to. There's really no set etiquette for these things.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 16:17:50
September 04 2017 16:13 GMT
#26083
On September 04 2017 18:41 Quateras wrote:
yeah thats the old cyclone meatballer, works with slayer too btw, so dont need to change too much :D

Yeah I was fucking around in PoB last night after I posted that and I can probably just shuffle a few things around to make it work on my current char. Just need to switch Cyclone to 4L (fine since everything dies instantly in aoe clearing anyway) and drop a few support skills in favor of 5/6L Molten Strike single target. It looks like less DPS than the pure cyclone I had dialed in before but I'm not convinced I'm interpreting the molten ball damage correctly (since the M.Strike version makes so many more balls with the jewels and such I might be doing the math wrong). Going to collect a few extra pieces of rare gear today as a backup so I can roll the right socket colors and give it a shot.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 04 2017 18:36 GMT
#26084
Are Jeweller's Orbs worth hoarding? I was thinking about converting some to Chromatic or Chaos via the market but they're worth more than I expected (about 10 jewellers -> 1 chaos, or nearly 1:1 for chromatics). I have like 500+ compared to my ~dozens of chaos/fusing/chromatic so I just assumed they were much easier to come by and wouldn't be worth much..
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 18:43:39
September 04 2017 18:41 GMT
#26085
On September 05 2017 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Are Jeweller's Orbs worth hoarding? I was thinking about converting some to Chromatic or Chaos via the market but they're worth more than I expected (about 10 jewellers -> 1 chaos, or nearly 1:1 for chromatics). I have like 500+ compared to my ~dozens of chaos/fusing/chromatic so I just assumed they were much easier to come by and wouldn't be worth much..


I mean they have good value, I don't really know what your question is. Convert to chaos if you need liquid assets, if you are planning on 5 or 6 linking you keep them as jewelers. You all burn a decent amount getting 6 sockets on an item, and burn a ton trading them for fuses 4 for 1 at the merchant for linking (or trading with players is a better ratio exist, but it usually doesn't).
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 04 2017 18:49 GMT
#26086
On September 04 2017 07:28 Alur wrote:
My friend posted a selfie with his new girlfriend. I commented "Girlfriend too good. RMT confirmed."

[image loading]

Real Meme Transgressions


I'm I the only one who thinks this is mega awkward?

Could easily be interpreted as:

1. Calling someone's SO a prostitute.

2. Implying that your friend is unattractive ( feels shitty for your friend and their SO).

Just a big no-no all around.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 19:16:08
September 04 2017 19:13 GMT
#26087
On September 05 2017 03:41 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Are Jeweller's Orbs worth hoarding? I was thinking about converting some to Chromatic or Chaos via the market but they're worth more than I expected (about 10 jewellers -> 1 chaos, or nearly 1:1 for chromatics). I have like 500+ compared to my ~dozens of chaos/fusing/chromatic so I just assumed they were much easier to come by and wouldn't be worth much..


I mean they have good value, I don't really know what your question is. Convert to chaos if you need liquid assets, if you are planning on 5 or 6 linking you keep them as jewelers. You all burn a decent amount getting 6 sockets on an item, and burn a ton trading them for fuses 4 for 1 at the merchant for linking (or trading with players is a better ratio exist, but it usually doesn't).

I knew they're used for 5/6S but I just assumed if I was flooded with them that they're easier to come by and they wouldn't be "as valuable". I didn't phrase it well. 6S don't seem as hard to come by (or as valuable) as a 5/6L obviously so 350 jewellers for the guaranteed 6S doesn't seem like it'd be "35 chaos" worth of currency. But I guess I won't complain, definitely going to liquidate most of them into something more useful for me right now, since I don't see myself needing to craft my own 6S/6L any time soon (rather just buy it). I guess I'm too naive to crafting still to see why you would go super hard on rolling your own 6S/6L instead of just buying one for chaos straight up. But it probably works out to be cheaper if you're experienced with getting the most out of the benches.

Desperately need chromatics at the moment because I accidentally chromatic'd my 5L Bronn's Lithe. I need it to only have 1G (and any combo of R and B in the others) which is a pain in the ass on a pure evasion base
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 19:19:52
September 04 2017 19:19 GMT
#26088
On September 05 2017 04:13 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 03:41 sob3k wrote:
On September 05 2017 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Are Jeweller's Orbs worth hoarding? I was thinking about converting some to Chromatic or Chaos via the market but they're worth more than I expected (about 10 jewellers -> 1 chaos, or nearly 1:1 for chromatics). I have like 500+ compared to my ~dozens of chaos/fusing/chromatic so I just assumed they were much easier to come by and wouldn't be worth much..


I mean they have good value, I don't really know what your question is. Convert to chaos if you need liquid assets, if you are planning on 5 or 6 linking you keep them as jewelers. You all burn a decent amount getting 6 sockets on an item, and burn a ton trading them for fuses 4 for 1 at the merchant for linking (or trading with players is a better ratio exist, but it usually doesn't).

I knew they're used for 5/6S but I just assumed if I was flooded with them that they're easier to come by and they wouldn't be "as valuable". I didn't phrase it well. 6S don't seem as hard to come by (or as valuable) as a 5/6L obviously so 350 jewellers for the guaranteed 6S doesn't seem like it'd be "35 chaos" worth of currency. But I guess I won't complain, definitely going to liquidate most of them into something more useful for me right now, since I don't see myself needing to craft my own 6S/6L any time soon (rather just buy it). I guess I'm too naive to crafting still to see why you would go super hard on rolling your own 6S/6L instead of just buying one for chaos straight up. But it probably works out to be cheaper if you're experienced with getting the most out of the benches.

Desperately need chromatics at the moment because I accidentally chromatic'd my 5L Bronn's Lithe. I need it to only have 1G (and any combo of R and B in the others) which is a pain in the ass on a pure evasion base

Those that roll their own 6s6l don't roll it on 30c items, they roll it on 30ex items.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 20:00:13
September 04 2017 19:40 GMT
#26089
On September 05 2017 04:19 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 04:13 Duka08 wrote:
On September 05 2017 03:41 sob3k wrote:
On September 05 2017 03:36 Duka08 wrote:
Are Jeweller's Orbs worth hoarding? I was thinking about converting some to Chromatic or Chaos via the market but they're worth more than I expected (about 10 jewellers -> 1 chaos, or nearly 1:1 for chromatics). I have like 500+ compared to my ~dozens of chaos/fusing/chromatic so I just assumed they were much easier to come by and wouldn't be worth much..


I mean they have good value, I don't really know what your question is. Convert to chaos if you need liquid assets, if you are planning on 5 or 6 linking you keep them as jewelers. You all burn a decent amount getting 6 sockets on an item, and burn a ton trading them for fuses 4 for 1 at the merchant for linking (or trading with players is a better ratio exist, but it usually doesn't).

I knew they're used for 5/6S but I just assumed if I was flooded with them that they're easier to come by and they wouldn't be "as valuable". I didn't phrase it well. 6S don't seem as hard to come by (or as valuable) as a 5/6L obviously so 350 jewellers for the guaranteed 6S doesn't seem like it'd be "35 chaos" worth of currency. But I guess I won't complain, definitely going to liquidate most of them into something more useful for me right now, since I don't see myself needing to craft my own 6S/6L any time soon (rather just buy it). I guess I'm too naive to crafting still to see why you would go super hard on rolling your own 6S/6L instead of just buying one for chaos straight up. But it probably works out to be cheaper if you're experienced with getting the most out of the benches.

Desperately need chromatics at the moment because I accidentally chromatic'd my 5L Bronn's Lithe. I need it to only have 1G (and any combo of R and B in the others) which is a pain in the ass on a pure evasion base

Those that roll their own 6s6l don't roll it on 30c items, they roll it on 30ex items.

With a glance at currency.poe.trade, 6S amounts to ~35c (10 jeweller per 1c) and 6L is >500c (3 fuse per 1c at best, more like 2.2 fuse per 1c for big stocks). So to manually 6L something from scratch let's call it ~600c, which at a ratio of about 25-30c per 1ex comes out to more than 20ex (but probably less than or around 30 like you said).

And poe.ninja puts the most expensive 6L uniques at around ~25-30ex. So it balances out economically. I guess if you just have a ton of the materials lying around then it's a quicker way to do it yourself if you get one of those valuable uniques, but mathematically it seems like there's no real disadvantage or reason not to liquidate everything into chaos/ex (i.e. "money") and just have the cash to straight up buy an expensive item when you end up needing it. And that only applies to the MOST expensive uniques too; as soon as you cross below the ~20ex mark it becomes more expensive to 6L it yourself instead of just buying one. This is also all in league too, I assume standard rates are much different.

This doesn't apply to rares though, where there's more affixes to care about and a lot more variance, so maybe that's where my naivety comes in again. Are the best rolled rare 6L 2H/chests worth more than 30ex?

Again, actually trying to wrap my head around how it all works. Not intending to argue, just trying to learn as much as I can about things I might be overlooking. I guess re: my original question about jeweller's orbs, it seems like most of the cost of VERY expensive items is in the fusings (for 6L), so "just" making something a 6S with 350 jewellers seems like it'd be cheaper than ~35c, given that I've never seen a 6S with bad links worth that much. Though after looking at all the numbers now I might 6S my Ngamahu's axe since the links don't matter and I have the orbs lol.

Edit: the part I might be overlooking is the fact that there exists a way of turning jewellers into fusings in game via Yeena, which gives them an inherent market value since fusings are "more useful". if 1500 fusings (6L) costs around 500c and I can turn 4 jewellers into 1 fusing then jewellers should be worth about 4 times less than a fusing, which puts them close to the 10 jewellers to 1 chaos on the market sites. Economy is fascinating lol. Sorry for the brain dump.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
September 04 2017 20:05 GMT
#26090
Anyone I can hit up for a guild Invite? thread title only mentions beta guild.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
September 04 2017 20:12 GMT
#26091
On September 05 2017 05:05 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Anyone I can hit up for a guild Invite? thread title only mentions beta guild.

We're terrible at titles, just post one of your characternames in here and someone will grab you.

Works more reliable than PMing people anyway, except for the first few days of a new league.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
September 04 2017 20:52 GMT
#26092
Neo should be on to invite you if you pm @neophyte. Least he was when I just logged over to play dota~!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 04 2017 22:14 GMT
#26093
On September 05 2017 03:49 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 07:28 Alur wrote:
My friend posted a selfie with his new girlfriend. I commented "Girlfriend too good. RMT confirmed."

[image loading]

Real Meme Transgressions


I'm I the only one who thinks this is mega awkward?

Could easily be interpreted as:

1. Calling someone's SO a prostitute.

2. Implying that your friend is unattractive ( feels shitty for your friend and their SO).

Just a big no-no all around.

Me and my friend have a unique rapport
For the second point, the more accurate implication is that he's less attractive than her.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 04 2017 23:26 GMT
#26094
Looks like you have the same friendship that most people have, that being one not founded on being offended as often as possible
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-05 00:20:23
September 04 2017 23:45 GMT
#26095
On September 05 2017 07:14 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 03:49 sob3k wrote:
On September 04 2017 07:28 Alur wrote:
My friend posted a selfie with his new girlfriend. I commented "Girlfriend too good. RMT confirmed."

[image loading]

Real Meme Transgressions


I'm I the only one who thinks this is mega awkward?

Could easily be interpreted as:

1. Calling someone's SO a prostitute.

2. Implying that your friend is unattractive ( feels shitty for your friend and their SO).

Just a big no-no all around.

Me and my friend have a unique rapport
For the second point, the more accurate implication is that he's less attractive than her.


I don't think you understand, its much more likely to feel bad for the GF than his friend. You would be happy to get something and be told by others that it is of higher value. You would be unhappy if you acquired something and people told you it was of low value. Especially if you invested a lot of time and energy in the transaction.

It's just not something you should do. It's something that it thrown around all the time in movies and is a bit more more OK when old people and parents do it (as their opinions of attractiveness are considered less important), but nobody really wants to be told that their SO is less attractive than them, less intelligent than them, etc etc. People choose relationships because they value the other person. They are happy when their SO does something impressive or noteworthy, and just the same it's not a good feeling to be basically told you are settling in some respect.

Yeah, you might be able to get away with it due to a weird cultural history (wouldn't recommend trying it with genders switched), but its always better to just give a compliment instead of pairing it with an insult or pointing out a shortcoming. Maybe you and your friend have a really old relationship and like to mess with each other, the point is that you are including his GF in this which you do not have this relationship with. I'm not really worried about your friends feelings.

Aside from this, you wen't from the standard, "wow, how did you get your amazing SO", to basically implying prostitution...I'd say that's in.... poor taste, as we say.

I'm not saying you're Hitler, I'm just saying that there is a decent chance you made the GF feel kind of shitty, and that could be easily avoided. Not a huge deal, just advice. You're not doing your friend any favors with the ladies either. Almost any guy will tell you how the second they get into a relationship, suddenly other women start expressing significantly more interest in them. This is because seeing that someone else is interested and finds a person high value, causes others to adjust their own opinion. If you see a restaurant with a line out the door, you are much more likely to want go try it (for good reason).





In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 23:50:52
September 04 2017 23:49 GMT
#26096
Umm. Think you are a bit worked up over his harmless joke; friends rib each other all the time. At any rate - this is really off-topic (even in a thread that has pizza dough recipes).
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 05 2017 00:40 GMT
#26097
On September 05 2017 08:45 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 07:14 Alur wrote:
On September 05 2017 03:49 sob3k wrote:
On September 04 2017 07:28 Alur wrote:
My friend posted a selfie with his new girlfriend. I commented "Girlfriend too good. RMT confirmed."

[image loading]

Real Meme Transgressions


I'm I the only one who thinks this is mega awkward?

Could easily be interpreted as:

1. Calling someone's SO a prostitute.

2. Implying that your friend is unattractive ( feels shitty for your friend and their SO).

Just a big no-no all around.

Me and my friend have a unique rapport
For the second point, the more accurate implication is that he's less attractive than her.


I don't think you understand, its much more likely to feel bad for the GF than his friend. You would be happy to get something and be told by others that it is of higher value. You would be unhappy if you acquired something and people told you it was of low value. Especially if you invested a lot of time and energy in the transaction.

It's just not something you should do. It's something that it thrown around all the time in movies and is a bit more more OK when old people and parents do it (as their opinions of attractiveness are considered less important), but nobody really wants to be told that their SO is less attractive than them, less intelligent than them, etc etc. People choose relationships because they value the other person. They are happy when their SO does something impressive or noteworthy, and just the same it's not a good feeling to be basically told you are settling in some respect.

Yeah, you might be able to get away with it due to a weird cultural history (wouldn't recommend trying it with genders switched), but its always better to just give a compliment instead of pairing it with an insult or pointing out a shortcoming. Maybe you and your friend have a really old relationship and like to mess with each other, the point is that you are including his GF in this which you do not have this relationship with. I'm not really worried about your friends feelings.

Aside from this, you wen't from the standard, "wow, how did you get your amazing SO", to basically implying prostitution...I'd say that's in.... poor taste, as we say.

I'm not saying you're Hitler, I'm just saying that there is a decent chance you made the GF feel kind of shitty, and that could be easily avoided. Not a huge deal, just advice. You're not doing your friend any favors with the ladies either. Almost any guy will tell you how the second they get into a relationship, suddenly other women start expressing significantly more interest in them. This is because seeing that someone else is interested and finds a person high value, causes others to adjust their own opinion. If you see a restaurant with a line out the door, you are much more likely to want go try it (for good reason).

This is an intense overreaction to a nerdy joke. My friends and I give each other shit all the time. It's not that big a deal. Our SO's tend to know what they're getting into lol.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-05 02:14:52
September 05 2017 02:13 GMT
#26098
For what it's worth, i agree. Friends can take a joke. If the SO gets pissed about jokes, one way or the other, something will give eventually anyway. Either the relationship, or the friendship. From experience both ways.

Better to find out quickly. It certainly isn't enough reason to write an essay aimed at a person that you literally know zero about, that's creepy and quite insolent.
On track to MA1950A.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-05 03:22:03
September 05 2017 02:40 GMT
#26099
The moral grandstanding just irks me. Its a simple joke of 'damn she is hot how the fuck did you manage that' which is a joke that is fucking old, common, and harmless. If anything it is complimentary to the GF, saying that she is very attractive. Now we've had two pages of useless discussion completely unrelated to POE because sobek decided to let everyone know how awful it is for friends to joke around with each other.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 05 2017 03:44 GMT
#26100
On September 05 2017 11:40 Kickstart wrote:
The moral grandstanding just irks me. Its a simple joke of 'damn she is hot how the fuck did you manage that' which is a joke that is fucking old, common, and harmless. If anything it is complimentary to the GF, saying that she is very attractive. Now we've had two pages of useless discussion completely unrelated to POE because sobek decided to let everyone know how awful it is for friends to joke around with each other.

I 100% blame reddit for the rapid rise in grandstanding over something stupid.

In fact I blame reddit for a lot of things, predominantly the attitude of being a failure in everything is ok, which naturally leads to shit like what we just saw.
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