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On October 03 2016 21:25 xM(Z wrote:
@-Archangel-
the only way for you to get p.charges with ass.mark as ancestral bond is to kill the enemies with degens - ignite, poison, bleeds etc and heralds will not give you charges.
My totems will kill enemies of course. The question is will Heralds apply Curse on Hit which I assume they should as I was told even if my skills do no damage they act like they hit.
I also assume by your short response that Heralds will do no damage so I can forget using them for anything but bonus damage to Vortex cast by Totems. And possibly for Curse on Hit. Maybe HoI+Increased AoE+CurseonHit+Assassin Mark could work to get curses on enemies.
Totems freezing and killing anyone should apply the curse to everyone around still alive (even if HoI does no damage itself)?
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they will apply curses, but probably better to use an active skill-CoH setup. obviously requires more clicks, but you'll likely want the mana free for other things. the ass mark will increase crit chance but i dont think you get charges. you can link PCoC to your active skill (which does no damage) to get charges I guess, so you'd end up with like (skill)-fastercast-PCoC-increased crit. OoS works well too.
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On October 03 2016 22:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
they will apply curses, but probably better to use an active skill-CoH setup. obviously requires more clicks, but you'll likely want the mana free for other things. the ass mark will increase crit chance but i dont think you get charges. you can link PCoC to your active skill (which does no damage) to get charges I guess, so you'd end up with like (skill)-fastercast-PCoC-increased crit. OoS works well too.
Since HoI will do no damage maybe it is better to use it to apply Assassin Mark, it will not kill anyone but only give them the curse. And it will happen outside range of Vortex as well. Then I kill those as well with Vortex and then I get my PCs?!
Or maybe I should forget about PCs, I read two critical totem builds and both don't use PCs at all but just get lots of critical chance gear (one for Flame Totem, another Freezing Pulse). One even uses both EB and MoM and reserves no mana and gets that jewel that gives 60% bonus damage.
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i think i misread your original post (ugh i need coffee)
heralds give the dmg bonus, but afaik the special effects only apply to your character, not the totems
so yeah if you want to generate charges you need to use something else
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On October 03 2016 23:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
i think i misread your original post (ugh i need coffee)
heralds give the dmg bonus, but afaik the special effects only apply to your character, not the totems
so yeah if you want to generate charges you need to use something else
Do you mean to say that using assassin mark on enemies and having a totem kill them would give the PC to totem and not me?
And since totems cannot have any kind of charge, effectively it would be wasting them?
EDIT: I guess I can try this once I get home by cursing mobs with Assassin Mark and then letting the totem kill it.
If it is true, I am not sure if I should plan on using it for critical hit and damage boost or use something like Elemental Weakness instead that will debuff both enemy Cold and Fire Resistance.
EDIT2: Since half of Vortex damage is DoT and DoT cannot critical hit maybe a consistent damage boost like Ele Weakness is a better choice.
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Herald gives you bonus damage (it's like flat dmg on gear which affects you and hence your totems). They also can apply a curse on hit. However the life/mana/power charge gain is on kill. Your Totems kill things, not you. Hence you won't gain Power Charges etc.
That's why the way to gain power charges for a Totem build would be a skill linked to PCoC, usually something like Orb of Storms or even Ice Spear with GMP.
e: Keep in mind that Heralds secondary effect (Lightning bolts/Aoe Cold Damage) is also on kill, so even though they can technically still apply a Curse on Hit for a Totem build it's not practical at all. Not even sure HoI can be triggered if you don't do damage, HoT can be with e.g. culling strike.
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OK, soo I will just quit the PC generation attempts and do something like HoI+Blasphemy+Ele Weakness+Temp Chains in one of the slots. Then I will use Ele Weakness for mapping so I can kill them faster and Temp Weakness to fight bosses. Maybe in some future get an item that will give me +1 curse or something.
I will get crit chance from other things like spell daggers and I can switch to Whirling Blades+FA instead of Flame Dash or Lightning warp and even link WB with Fortify for a boost to defenses.
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Considering Elementalist ability to get 25% cold/fire penetration needs me to use a fire/lightning skill I guess I will need to use Flame Dash or Lightning Warp instead of WB. Maybe I should get rid of Cold to Fire gem and go all in freeze and just use Flame Dash to get 25% cold pen?
I was first planning to take Beacon of ruin but since Shaper of Desolation was nerfed and my HoI cannot damage enemies and spread elemental statuses even further I am not sure I see a point. This is why I plan to switch to Mastermind of Discord (cold/fire pen).
I am wrong in this line of thought?
EDIT: Vaal Haste gives the faster casting bonus to totems as well, right?
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Since nobody commented on my last tree I went over it again and made some changes. I gave up on using Iron Will so I respeced out of extra strenght nodes and now this is my plan for lvl 81:
www.poeurl.com/NOp
Also I will aim for 5L Carcass Jack as my body armor which is about 40c.
I got two sweet daggers yesterday and at lvl 62 my critical chance is almost 50%. I will be probably be able to get it to 60% as I level up my gems and optimize my gear more.
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On October 03 2016 20:53 Butcherski wrote:
Yo, shoot me an invite - acc name Butcherski
We need your ingame name.
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On October 05 2016 18:24 -Archangel- wrote:Since nobody commented on my last tree I went over it again and made some changes. I gave up on using Iron Will so I respeced out of extra strenght nodes and now this is my plan for lvl 81: www.poeurl.com/NOpAlso I will aim for 5L Carcass Jack as my body armor which is about 40c. I got two sweet daggers yesterday and at lvl 62 my critical chance is almost 50%. I will be probably be able to get it to 60% as I level up my gems and optimize my gear more.
Surely you are picking up Sovereignity and I'm not sure if skipping Coordination is a good idea, I like that for pretty much any build...
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On October 05 2016 19:17 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 18:24 -Archangel- wrote:Since nobody commented on my last tree I went over it again and made some changes. I gave up on using Iron Will so I respeced out of extra strenght nodes and now this is my plan for lvl 81: www.poeurl.com/NOpAlso I will aim for 5L Carcass Jack as my body armor which is about 40c. I got two sweet daggers yesterday and at lvl 62 my critical chance is almost 50%. I will be probably be able to get it to 60% as I level up my gems and optimize my gear more. Surely you are picking up Sovereignity and I'm not sure if skipping Coordination is a good idea, I like that for pretty much any build...
Yes I would pick up Sovereignity if I need it. I am hoping I will not need it.
Coordination only useful parts is 6% cast speed and +10 Dex. I am not sure I really need it at this moment.
Also I was thinking if I should switch this build to CI, but since I deal no damage I also don't leech so I don't have a clue how to live through damage I would normally use a flask for?
Anyone experienced willing to give me advice around this?
Also for CI I would need to not use Carcass Jack which is kind of nice for Vortex.
EDIT: Would this work as a CI version? www.poeurl.com/NTm
Using Zealot's Oath and 2.2% (life)ES regeneration nodes.
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On October 05 2016 18:59 vndestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 20:53 Butcherski wrote:
Yo, shoot me an invite - acc name Butcherski We need your ingame name.
We got him already, no worries. I just forgot posting in here.
@Archangel; personally I stopped looking into your tree links because you keep insisting on using the outdated poeplanner. None of the links you post work with the official website which in return means none of them work with other (properly updated) 3rd party tools.
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On October 06 2016 00:25 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 18:59 vndestiny wrote:On October 03 2016 20:53 Butcherski wrote:
Yo, shoot me an invite - acc name Butcherski We need your ingame name. We got him already, no worries. I just forgot posting in here. @Archangel; personally I stopped looking into your tree links because you keep insisting on using the outdated poeplanner. None of the links you post work with the official website which in return means none of them work with other (properly updated) 3rd party tools.
Official tree is harder to use than Poe planner and offline tree is probably only used by 5 people here and I do this at home and work and cannot keep using same tree on both places.
Is there another online planner that is better?
How is this poe planner outdated, it looks like it is current version to me.
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Agreed. Please download and use the offline skill tree planner, it's really good and useful. See https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree
I seriously doubt only 5 people here use it. ^^ But sure, at work that likely won't do...
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Ok, I just tried to use it. It seems worse at first look than poe planner and when I clicked update it crashed lol
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On October 06 2016 00:29 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:25 r.Evo wrote:On October 05 2016 18:59 vndestiny wrote:On October 03 2016 20:53 Butcherski wrote:
Yo, shoot me an invite - acc name Butcherski We need your ingame name. We got him already, no worries. I just forgot posting in here. @Archangel; personally I stopped looking into your tree links because you keep insisting on using the outdated poeplanner. None of the links you post work with the official website which in return means none of them work with other (properly updated) 3rd party tools. Official tree is harder to use than Poe planner and offline tree is probably only used by 5 people here and I do this at home and work and cannot keep using same tree on both places. Is there another online planner that is better? How is this poe planner outdated, it looks like it is current version to me.
If you copy any of the links you posted so far on the official page it gives an outdated skill tree error.
I never looked into others cause I'm happy with the offline one but any planner that produces a link the official page can use works for everyone.
E.g. if I post this link: poeurl.com/NTC you can copy the string portion and use it in any other planner or the website. You will even be able to see it on poeplanner.com. If you now click and unclick any single node poeplanner changes the string into something that's not compatible with anything else.
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poeplanner is like 3x better than offline skill tree imo but to each their own
no idea why you'd copy them onto the official site lols
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Because the official tree can be used in conjunction with the offline planner and poeurl.com ;_;
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On October 06 2016 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
poeplanner is like 3x better than offline skill tree imo but to each their own
no idea why you'd copy them onto the official site lols
It's still a third party tool that's not compatible with anything else that's updated properly, apart from that I don't mind it at all.
There's no reason to copy it to the official site but in the end that quick test shows what is properly maintained/updated and what isn't.
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