• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:22
CET 15:22
KST 23:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)10Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Spontaneous hotkey change zerg Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays SC2 AI Tournament 2026 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Mechabellum Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1803 users

Path of Exile - Page 1111

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1754 Next
Guild invites: Message any of EvoSenseOfPride, ScionViableORly, neophyteWham, TheTouchOfGOLD in game
OR
post your character name in the thread and ask for an invite
Private league ladder (finished): https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/league/TeamLiquid and friends
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 06:41:12
September 11 2016 06:36 GMT
#22201
Are the poe wiki dmg values corrrect? Is the Ice Spear DPS still vastly below stuff like Frost Bolt and Freezing Pulse? I was gonna do a cold build and wanna know the best single target cold spell for slaying bosses.

Considering I got high crit already so the 600% crit on the 2nd form are not so important as well. Still was assuming it has the highest DPS now since it's the only true single target spell without LMP/GMP.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 11 2016 06:42 GMT
#22202
Ice spear is balanced around the 600% increased crit strike chance I guess so you could make a crit build with far less investment in crit nodes and stack more base spell power and crit multi maybe?

I tend to think that frost bolt is best though.

When I'm back on my pc I think ill get to 90 and maybe make a fire ball build.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 06:55:34
September 11 2016 06:52 GMT
#22203
Ice spear`s raw damage value is indeed still measurably below frostbolt. On the flip side, it has a much higher projectile speed and 7 base crit, PLUS the 600% increased crit chance in it`s 2nd form (although you lose your implicit pierce when that happens).

Frostbolt is 5 base crit, so without assassin it can be hard to cap crit, even with the inc crit strikes gem (not impossible, but hard). It`s projectile speed also becomes a factor in clear speed unless you link faster projectiles, which is an unexciting link usually.

When need to bother with single target stuff i just take the GMP out of my frostbolt
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 06:56:18
September 11 2016 06:55 GMT
#22204
On September 11 2016 15:42 bo1b wrote:
Ice spear is balanced around the 600% increased crit strike chance I guess so you could make a crit build with far less investment in crit nodes and stack more base spell power and crit multi maybe?

I tend to think that frost bolt is best though.

When I'm back on my pc I think ill get to 90 and maybe make a fire ball build.

Yeah well, my main clear skill is gonna be Ice Nova which I love. So I got high crit chance already. I think the main pros/cons look like this:

Freezing Pulse:
+ highest DPS (1325 at lvl 20)
- gotta go melee to feel it
- isn't always working (relevant from reddit)

Frost Bolt:
+ good DPS (1254 at lvl 20)
- lowest crit chance
- really slow projectile speed, might be bad for bosses that don't get frozen and aren't standing still.

Ice Spear:
+ high projectile speed
+ high crit chance (easily 95%)
- lowest DPS by far (806 at lvl 20)

Frost Bolt looks best to me but I'm worried about the projectile speed, for which I'm not gonna pick up tree nodes.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 06:56:50
September 11 2016 06:56 GMT
#22205
Nvm
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 11 2016 06:58 GMT
#22206
What class would you be going out of interest?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 11 2016 06:58 GMT
#22207
most bosses aren`t particularly mobile, especially once you dump a frost bomb on them. If you have some freeze duration nodes or jewels, you can permafreeze up to about tier 8-10 pretty easily depending on DPS.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 07:02:45
September 11 2016 06:59 GMT
#22208
On September 11 2016 15:58 bo1b wrote:
What class would you be going out of interest?

CI Occultist. I wanted to be decently tanky and love the automatical power charge generation. Was debating between that and Trickster/Inquisitor, and when talking to another guy we both concluded Occultist is a little better. I know there are other ways to get Power Charges easily, however I always forget to use things like Orb of Storms when socketing it with PCoC... prefer when there's one skill less to forget.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 11 2016 07:02 GMT
#22209
On September 11 2016 15:59 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 15:58 bo1b wrote:
What class would you be going out of interest?

CI Occultist. I wanted to be decently tanky and love the automatical power charge generation. Was debating between that and Trickster/Inquisitor, and when talking to another guy we both concluded Occultist is a little better. I know there are other ways to get Power Charges easily, however I always forget to use things like Lightning Orb when socketing it with PCoC... prefer when there's one skill less to forget.

Just get a skyforths, problem solved

+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 11 2016 07:04 GMT
#22210
On September 11 2016 15:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
most bosses aren`t particularly mobile, especially once you dump a frost bomb on them. If you have some freeze duration nodes or jewels, you can permafreeze up to about tier 8-10 pretty easily depending on DPS.

I think the other benefit of going ice is that the damage isn't reliable on ignites/shocks/poison either, so new bosses/atziri don't take less damage
phantomlancer23
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
733 Posts
September 11 2016 20:19 GMT
#22211
Atlas improved the game a lot, mapping become faster and more fun keeps the interest high also all the maps i have played until now are more balanced and better designed.I made a ''discovery'' that improved my game dramaticly,why didnt you tell me about /global 820 guys?I was wasting time in lower tier maps all the previews leagues because i havent high enough level zana and she only sold 1-3 tier maps, now i moved very fast to yellow maps with atlas and 820 channel.Anyway really liked the atlas and the new maps.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:16:46
September 11 2016 22:16 GMT
#22212
How does one join this TL guild?
I need people I can bother live with my crazy ideas on how to improve my character :D

Also I like to read chat while playing but global chat is full of spam all the time and distracts me.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#22213
On September 12 2016 07:16 -Archangel- wrote:
How does one join this TL guild?
I need people I can bother live with my crazy ideas on how to improve my character :D

Also I like to read chat while playing but global chat is full of spam all the time and distracts me.


Post your character name and one of the officers will invite you.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 23:12:43
September 11 2016 23:11 GMT
#22214
On September 12 2016 07:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:16 -Archangel- wrote:
How does one join this TL guild?
I need people I can bother live with my crazy ideas on how to improve my character :D

Also I like to read chat while playing but global chat is full of spam all the time and distracts me.


Post your character name and one of the officers will invite you.

ELIArcher (combination of Elemental Hit Archer and my kid's name :D)

Oh and I just got Victario's Acuity from divination cards :D
How much is that worth? (I am curious as nobody is trading it on poe.trade but I plan to use it).
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-12 18:48:05
September 12 2016 18:45 GMT
#22215
Man, I have a ton of build concepts in my head but every time I try to really hammer down some details before starting, I realize that it would be tankier as pathfinder, and do more damage as blade vortex (also as pathfinder) -_-

On September 12 2016 08:11 -Archangel- wrote:
Oh and I just got Victario's Acuity from divination cards :D
How much is that worth? (I am curious as nobody is trading it on poe.trade but I plan to use it).

well there's only 1 on poe.trade and it's 5ex so you could list for 4.5 lol. The thing is, it's very rare but I don't think it's all that in-demand either.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 12 2016 18:58 GMT
#22216
I'm gonna be forever salty that my Void div card gave me 5 alts (Emperor's Luck) and a blue sword (The King's Blade). Should have just sold them.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 12 2016 20:35 GMT
#22217
Did anybody here ever mess around with magma orb + projectile speed stuff?

It seemed like an interesting buff but I'm not sure how precisely you leverage it to either do more damage or get more AoE
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 12 2016 21:50 GMT
#22218
On September 13 2016 05:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did anybody here ever mess around with magma orb + projectile speed stuff?

It seemed like an interesting buff but I'm not sure how precisely you leverage it to either do more damage or get more AoE


Well, you might be able to throw Slower Projectiles in and double-hit mobs/bosses (which I don't think you could do before without absurd AoE). So there's more damage.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
September 13 2016 11:26 GMT
#22219
Why are people posting high ilvl crudes on poetrad for moneye? Isn't it possible to use vorici to 6socket and then just manually spam fuses for 6link?
as useful as teasalt
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
September 13 2016 11:56 GMT
#22220
On September 13 2016 20:26 Ryndika wrote:
Why are people posting high ilvl crudes on poetrad for moneye? Isn't it possible to use vorici to 6socket and then just manually spam fuses for 6link?

Best bow for SRS due to the low requirements, super fotm right now. Also in theory not using vorici has lower cost for 6s / links on average.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Prev 1 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1754 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
14:00
Group A
ByuN vs Percival
Percival vs Rogue
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
Classic vs Rogue
IndyStarCraft 77
LiquipediaDiscussion
RongYI Cup
11:00
Qualifier 1
WardiTV1389
TKL 270
Rex142
3DClanTV 47
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 270
Rex 142
IndyStarCraft 77
Railgan 24
SC2Nice 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 52099
Horang2 2693
Shuttle 1804
Mini 1416
Larva 830
Stork 812
ZerO 732
EffOrt 667
Soma 574
Light 453
[ Show more ]
Zeus 339
Rush 315
ggaemo 291
hero 235
firebathero 226
Leta 176
BeSt 123
Last 121
Hyun 118
Pusan 118
Sharp 116
Barracks 100
Mind 53
Sea.KH 52
sorry 41
Movie 36
Free 34
Aegong 32
ToSsGirL 30
HiyA 29
Terrorterran 27
yabsab 23
Sacsri 17
Shine 17
Yoon 15
GoRush 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4867
qojqva2377
XcaliburYe450
syndereN145
ODPixel136
BananaSlamJamma114
Counter-Strike
byalli641
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King110
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor307
Other Games
singsing2709
B2W.Neo2314
Hui .248
DeMusliM210
ZerO(Twitch)29
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV37
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH209
• intothetv
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2984
• lizZardDota2124
• HappyZerGling64
League of Legends
• Nemesis5433
• Jankos3515
Upcoming Events
IPSL
5h 38m
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
18h 38m
Wardi Open
21h 38m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 2h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
All Star Teams
5 days
INnoVation vs soO
sOs vs Scarlett
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
All Star Teams
6 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-10
Big Gabe Cup #3
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.