EPTOn May 04 2012 00:37 GTR wrote:
![[image loading]](http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/gallery/goty/untitled-8zjkh2.gif)
not as crazy as crouch's but still, damn.
not as crazy as crouch's but still, damn.
sick sick goal
where are the sources for all this gif?
2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 390
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Nich
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sick sick goal where are the sources for all this gif? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Yeah rebs chelsea only recently got 6-1 and 5-1 results...And 18 goal attempts against Newcastle. In fact if you actually look at our performances this year, we have often been the team that scores first then they score later and beat us lol. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 04 2012 02:04 La1 wrote: I am guessing you did not see them play vs QPR? It is a lot to do with who gets the first goal.. I really hope newcastle pull a shock over City Also, It's pretty sad that messi is looking to get the worlds record for most profilic scorer in 1 season and yet his team can't even win the league and the european cup.. shows the quality of barca's defence i guess :x I'd like to think theres a slight difference between QPR and Newcastle.+ Show Spoiler + (this is an exaggeration, theres is a huge difference) Your right it does have alot to do with the first goal. Chelsea have had to chase the game for all of 5 minutes prior to the Newcastle game under Di Matteo. Im not talking about this or that season. just the period in question so far and how its panned out. Chelsea has been putting out results but that doesnt change the fact that the team needs rebuilding and their problems havent gone anywhere. Its a band aid solution it will not last. Fact is if they have to chase the game and they dont get level real quick against quality defenses willing to absorb, they are in trouble atleast that seems to be the case so far. Ofcourse you will get tons of shots thats what absorbing does. When the people threw the same stat at you in the Barca game. You scoffed. And you were right. Its meaningless, genuine goal scoring oppurtunities and shots on goal are different things. Note I didnt say they were bad in the game. I said the last 20-30 they struggled when Newcastle went deep. Before that the Toons were setup to attack and Chelsea were perfectly fine going forward. Neither QPR nor Spurs employed that particular system against Chelsea so I dont see why throwing those scores at me would change that fact. As for Messi yes it is pretty sad. It has nothing to do with defense though. You can score all the goals in the world its pretty useless if you cant score them when you need them. Berbatov top scored last season in the league. Half those goals were like I dont know.. goal difference improvement. Hernandez scored fewer. His goals were infinitely more valuable they put points on the board. Messi's goals as impressive as they are just serve to flatter scorelines. Infact goal difference is even less useful because the first criteria in a tie breaker is head to head in Spain. He didnt score the goals on cue. That was his failure this season, that was Barca's failure. Its not the first instance of a prolific scorer's team not winning anything and it certainly wont be the last. Oh and their defense is the stingiest in the league in terms of goals conceded. That was a pointless jab that had no merit as usual. Reals goal scoring prowess has just been absurd. Its not a case of them being bad. Its a case of Real being better. | ||
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Pangolin
United States1035 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:37 GTR wrote: not as crazy as crouch's but still, damn. ![[image loading]](http://imgon.net/di-16KH.gif) Let's just get both goals on one page so we can compare directly. Or just marvel at the spectacular goals of the season. | ||
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graan
Germany589 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1099349-top-5-things-pele-does-not-want-you-to-know | ||
GTR
51704 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:49 Pangolin wrote: Let's just get both goals on one page so we can compare directly. Or just marvel at the spectacular goals of the season. ![[image loading]](http://www.balls.ie/wp-content/gallery/goty/1335637284207.gif) Finish the trifecta! | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 04 2012 12:13 Steveling wrote: Regarding the latest Pele-Messi debate, I found a rather insightful little gem. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1099349-top-5-things-pele-does-not-want-you-to-know lol.. you didnt need that gem for that, you couldve taken it from here. But I guess some random writer on bleacher report has more credibility than me. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2012 02:37 Rebs wrote: Yea exactly, Pele went to 3 world cups with a team so stacked it wouldve ripped everyone to shreds with or without him, (although in fairness they had teams capable of doing that after him and never won). The 1958 World Cup where he did burst onto the scene was an absolute joke. They thrashed everyone and That having been said considering Pele missed half the games in those world cups (roughly), The likes of Garrincha, Vava, Zagallo didnt just play well they put up the numbers. Pele was an accumulator in most of those games, thats why even the discussion of Maradonna being just as good comes into question because he practically put a team on his back and did it. Not quite so for Pele, he just managed to win alot of them and basically showed up to polish of people. There are ofcourse exceptions but the level of his contributions alot of the time was pretty much fluff. And dont even get me started on how little the 1970's team needed him. The fact that those same teams failed to win later on while being just as good weighs into it aswell, and maybe there is something to it, Ive personally only seen lengthy highlights, that my dad had on VHS. A little bit of persepective is required here. The only thing he was genuinely consistent at was pummeling the Brazillian league for Santos. the Pele's and the Maradonna's didnt have thefacilities we have today. Have you noticed the level of defending from those times. Defenders were getting caught square left and right, all you needed was a bit of pace and some decent control to beat people. Go do it youself analyze clips if you will and then tell me that Stuart Downing couldnt do it better without having to keep a straight face. Its just the evolution of the game. Messi is just better thats that, different eras or what not is a silly thing to say, tough luck for Pele or Maradonna to not have been born in recent times.Maybe there will be some better than Messi to. Its not apples to oranges, the game is better now, the players are better now... see where Im going with this ? Ofc achievement ties into it. I dont think people value the World Cup like they used to, unless theyre country is winning it anyway. The only effective value of the wolrd cup is making people who usually dont give a shit about football do so. Other than that frankly the Euro's are better competition. More quality, higher standard etc etc. And even back in Pele's day it was what 16 teams of note probably better for the game tbh. Dont get me wrong its still the "World Cup". But how it bears into how good a player is isnt really all that anymore. It did before thats why the likes of Platini or Cruyff or even a Van Basten dont enter the discussion. But I think people have realised how much harder it is to perform in these times than it was back then, even if you have the facilities the amount of hard work involved is ridiculously higher, talent aside. TLDR ; Pele has a few screws loose and cant handle Maradonna getting as much credit as him and his 1000's of goals. | ||
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SACtheXchng
168 Posts
However anyone with half a brain knows that if you put the 1960's Pelé into a time-machine and have him play a league match today in a randomly selected team in a randomly selected European 2nd division (2. Bundesliga, Serie B etc.), he'd get LOL crushed. Could he have become a Ballon D'or contestant had he been born in the late 80's early 90's? That's a hypothetical and can't be answered. I for one never needed a Messi to "question" Pelé's GOAT status, because to me he never was GOAT. Football is getting quicker and quicker and more "Total Football-y" by the year, so in essence, whoever is the best player of his day and age is the GOAT. Should the development of football strategy and tactics ever stagnate, we'll be able to legitimately talk about GOATs. | ||
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
Nice trailer of Euro 2012, it's almost time! | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:29 norlock wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZLwimnX_s&feature=related Nice trailer of Euro 2012, it's almost time! can't wait for this european football craze to start  awesome hype video. it will be a joy to watch Holland, Germany, Spain i hope and maybe italy. :D i hope england can surprise but they always see to be under performing at international tourneys | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:01 sc4k wrote: Really really annoys me that the Crouch goal clip doesn't show the reason why it's such an insanely awesome team goal...the fact that it left the keeper's foot and didn't touch the ground until it was in the back of the net. The juggling between Crouch and the other player (pennant was it?) is what makes it an unbelievable over the top awesome goal, the shot itself is about on par with cisse and suarez and a few other this season (the young sunderland player's shot comes to mind). Yea because a flick on from a goal kick and then another header to pass it back is painfully difficult to do for professionals. Especially stoke who are probably the most proficient at that sort of thing. I dont think its that big a deal tbh. This has already been discussed before. The quality of the finish is the most important aspect of wonder goals atleast not neccessarily the play leading up to it. Otherwise you could start adding a whole host of goals that requirce a signficantly higher amount of skill than bouncing a couple of headers back and forth. The shot itself is a clean hit thats a 1 in a million and hits the perfect spot a situation Hart could frankly do nothing about. Cisses goal on the other hand beats Czech in a manner that makes him look stupid. And Czech is the best keeper in the league by far and probably the best keeper in the world on form at the moment. He sees it coming the entire way hes ready for it but the insane bend on it first makes him take a false step and even then he reacts as best as possible and it still beats him. He had it covered and it still beat him thats something extra special that none of the other goals have. Thats the tipper for me. Its a fluke, certainly more so than Crouch's for sure. But so what. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:17 Rebs wrote: Yea because a flick on from a goal kick and then another header to pass it back is painfully difficult to do for professionals. Especially stoke who are probably the most proficient at that sort of thing. I dont think its that big a deal tbh. This has already been discussed before. The quality of the finish is the most important aspect of wonder goals atleast not neccessarily the play leading up to it. Otherwise you could start adding a whole host of goals that requirce a signficantly higher amount of skill than bouncing a couple of headers back and forth. The shot itself is a clean hit thats a 1 in a million and hits the perfect spot a situation Hart could frankly do nothing about. Well I just completely disagree with you about this (as with almost everything, it seems you have been paid by an enemy of mine to stalk my posts and just always post the exact opposite opinion of me everywhere), I don't remember having ever seen a goal scored against the league leader by a team in the middle of the league where the ball didn't touch the ground from the keeper to the back of the net AND it's bounced between two players. It's just unique. Something about the incredible efficiency of such a goal just appeals to me greatly, it just looks amazing and unique. The Cisse goal would probably have been my choice for a good amount of other seasons but not this one, that team goal was just insane. Completely disagree that it's all about the finish, two things which are vital for a wonder goal are imo: team play and positioning + the quality and positioning of the keeper + the defence. | ||
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