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Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 20 2011 09:03 GMT
#921
holy shit they are still playing.. i went to bed 9h ago. i cant imagine how exhausting that must be
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 09:14:02
July 20 2011 09:12 GMT
#922
wow gianetti, what a survivor
( ・´ー・`)
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 20 2011 09:15 GMT
#923
It is official!

+ Show Spoiler +
1 Martin Staszko 40,475,000
2 Eoghan O'Dea 29,400,000
3 Matt Giannetti 24,850,000
4 Phil Collins 21,425,000
5 Ben Lamb 20,725,000
6 Badih Bounahra 19,950,000
7 Pius Heinz 16,475,000
8 Anton Makievskyi 15,325,000
9 Samuel Holden 13,725,000
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
July 20 2011 09:17 GMT
#924
Wait, this isn't over yet? I thought I already saw a victory celebration but oh well.
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 20 2011 09:20 GMT
#925
Hewitt has played LEAPS AND BOUNDS worse than everyone on that table. He's called with A10o KNOWING that at best he's coinflipping against a lower pocket pair but there is no hand that is worse that he can beat. And now he's calling with KQo? What is wrong with this guy he knows that the very worst hand someones going in with is AJ...
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 20 2011 09:27 GMT
#926
+ Show Spoiler [this will spoil results of November 9…] +

Ben Lamb is playing the best, he has half the chip leaders chips and is going to be very dangerous, Phil Collins as well. I think if people want to do bets and gave me some odds on the two average stacks collins and lamb, i'd jump on that fast lol. Or if anyone wants to do pick 3 to win it haha.


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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
July 20 2011 09:27 GMT
#927
yea a german in the top9 :D congratz
FTD
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 09:37:55
July 20 2011 09:32 GMT
#928
Very international field. Ukraine, Czech Republic, Germany, UK, Ireland, even Belize lol

Hewitt isn't sure if you can say shit happens on ESPN haha gg must suck so much to go out in 10th place
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 20 2011 09:37 GMT
#929
so this is over now and the final table will be played in november?
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 20 2011 09:38 GMT
#930
Yes, I do like that theres great representation across the board, like Looms stated. I completely agree with Esfandiari though, Lamb and Collins played the best poker.

May the rail bets begin :D
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
July 20 2011 09:51 GMT
#931
rofl, Staszko the chipleader. Living the big czech dream.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 09:57:45
July 20 2011 09:56 GMT
#932
On July 20 2011 18:20 Zlasher wrote:
Hewitt has played LEAPS AND BOUNDS worse than everyone on that table. He's called with A10o KNOWING that at best he's coinflipping against a lower pocket pair but there is no hand that is worse that he can beat. And now he's calling with KQo? What is wrong with this guy he knows that the very worst hand someones going in with is AJ...


The AT call was marginal but fine. I'd even go so far to say it's near-standard. At a minimum it's easily defensible and anyone who plays MTTs isn't going to harp too hard on him for that.

The KQ call was pretty bad. He made a very bad ICM calculation (both in terms of cEV and IRL EV of being a Nov. 9er).
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
July 20 2011 09:59 GMT
#933
I think Saszko's play on the final 10 today has been very underrated. He wasn't playing at the best level prior (but was still good), however I was pretty impressed with him.

Benba and USCPhildo obv played the very best I think, though. O'Dea was ok.

I mean honestly, everyone but Belize-cap-dude on the FT is a solid player. Should make for a graet final 9. I personally thought UT hat guy was a bit too nitty, but it's an acceptable style to play there and it worked out.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 20 2011 10:02 GMT
#934
On July 20 2011 18:59 Karak wrote:
I think Saszko's play on the final 10 today has been very underrated.


I was thinking the exact same thing, but I haven't seen a ton of praise for his play yet. It is harder to say much about his preflop decisions without the benefit of seeing holecards however.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 20 2011 10:06 GMT
#935
On July 20 2011 18:56 Karak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 18:20 Zlasher wrote:
Hewitt has played LEAPS AND BOUNDS worse than everyone on that table. He's called with A10o KNOWING that at best he's coinflipping against a lower pocket pair but there is no hand that is worse that he can beat. And now he's calling with KQo? What is wrong with this guy he knows that the very worst hand someones going in with is AJ...


The AT call was marginal but fine. I'd even go so far to say it's near-standard. At a minimum it's easily defensible and anyone who plays MTTs isn't going to harp too hard on him for that.

The KQ call was pretty bad. He made a very bad ICM calculation (both in terms of cEV and IRL EV of being a Nov. 9er).


Dude the AT was and absolutely awful call are you joking? What does he beat? He's folded for 4 hours straight blinding out from 22 to 13m who calls him with less than 10's JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ AJ? Against what, You think anyones calling someone playing that tight on the final 10 with K9? or less than 9's? People aren't willing to flip to break their stacks as evidenced by the 10 flops we saw out of 100 hands of 3 bets and folds.

Its a stretch to even say that someone with AJ or 10's would call him, let alone the bevy of hands worse.

His best case scenario is a flip against 9's or lower (nobodies going to call 13m with that, not even O'Dea or Stazco who are chip leaders.

The KQ call was even worse, lets not even get into that.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 10:12:24
July 20 2011 10:08 GMT
#936
On July 20 2011 18:59 Karak wrote:
I think Saszko's play on the final 10 today has been very underrated. He wasn't playing at the best level prior (but was still good), however I was pretty impressed with him.

Benba and USCPhildo obv played the very best I think, though. O'Dea was ok.

I mean honestly, everyone but Belize-cap-dude on the FT is a solid player. Should make for a graet final 9. I personally thought UT hat guy was a bit too nitty, but it's an acceptable style to play there and it worked out.


Nevermind ignore that~

Heres the Bio's on Poker News of the final 9 (came from final 12 but I'll cut out the 3 that busted):

+ Show Spoiler +

Badih Bounahra is a 49-year-old businessman and father of three originally from Lebanon now residing in Belize City. He says he learned poker from television, and cheekily names seven-deuce offsuit as the "best hand in my eyes." He has a few cashes to his credit, including one WSOP cash from 2008 in a $2,000 NLHE event.

Phil Collins is a 26-year-old poker pro originally from Rockford, Illinois who now calls Las Vegas home. As his online handle "USCphildo" indicates, he went to the University of South Carolina where he met his wife, Katie. In addition to his numerous online successes, Collins has a number of live cashes to his credit (including one at this year's WSOP), although his payday for this year's Main Event will well exceed all of those.

Matt Giannetti of Las Vegas is a 26-year-old poker pro who previously attended the University of Texas. He has a number of cashes to his credit dating back to 2006 totaling nearly half a million dollars, including 10 at the World Series of Poker. His best previous finish in the Main Event was 521st in 2006 (for $22,266).

Pius Heinz of Cologne, Germany is a 22-year-old student who first learned poker via home games with friends. This marks his first WSOP, and it has been a successful one, including a final table in Event No. 48 ($1,500 NLHE) where he finished seventh to earn $83,286.

Sam Holden is a 22-year-old poker pro from Canterbury, England. The former student is making his WSOP debut this year, and this marks his first WSOP cash. He has a few scores from the UK & Ireland poker tour, including a first-place finish last month in a NLHE six-handed event, though no previous cashes above four figures.

Ben Lamb's poker resume is easily the most extensive of the remaining 12 players, including more than $2.5 million in career winnings and numerous WSOP successes. "Benba" earned his first WSOP bracelet this summer in Event No. 42, the $10,000 PLO Championship, and added a couple more final tables to put himself in first place in this year's WSOP Player of the Year race. Today Lamb ensured he'd surpass his previous best showing in the WSOP Main Event, a 14th-place finish in 2009.

Anton Makiievskyi of Dnipropetrousk, Ukraine is playing in his first-ever WSOP. He's looking to be the fifth Ukrainian to take home a WSOP bracelet this year, which would pull Ukraine into a tie with Canada for the second-most bracelets of any country behind the U.S.

Eoghan O'Dea of Ireland is a 26-year-old student who says he first learned poker from the popular U.K. show "Late Night Poker." His poker resume includes a number of cashes dating back to 2005, including three already at this summer's WSOP. He's the son of the famous poker player Donnacha O'Dea, member of the European Poker Players Hall of Fame.

Martin Staszko is a 35-year-old poker pro from Trinec of the Czech Republic who previously worked in the automotive industry. Stasko has four cashes at the WSOP already this summer, his best finish being 39th in the $1,500 PLO8 Event No. 51.


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting/2011-world-series-of-poker/event-58-no-limit-hold-em-championship/?page=8
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-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 10:26:07
July 20 2011 10:21 GMT
#937
On July 20 2011 19:06 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 18:56 Karak wrote:
On July 20 2011 18:20 Zlasher wrote:
Hewitt has played LEAPS AND BOUNDS worse than everyone on that table. He's called with A10o KNOWING that at best he's coinflipping against a lower pocket pair but there is no hand that is worse that he can beat. And now he's calling with KQo? What is wrong with this guy he knows that the very worst hand someones going in with is AJ...


The AT call was marginal but fine. I'd even go so far to say it's near-standard. At a minimum it's easily defensible and anyone who plays MTTs isn't going to harp too hard on him for that.

The KQ call was pretty bad. He made a very bad ICM calculation (both in terms of cEV and IRL EV of being a Nov. 9er).


Dude the AT was and absolutely awful call are you joking? What does he beat? He's folded for 4 hours straight blinding out from 22 to 13m who calls him with less than 10's JJ QQ KK AA AK AQ AJ? Against what, You think anyones calling someone playing that tight on the final 10 with K9? or less than 9's? People aren't willing to flip to break their stacks as evidenced by the 10 flops we saw out of 100 hands of 3 bets and folds.

Its a stretch to even say that someone with AJ or 10's would call him, let alone the bevy of hands worse.

His best case scenario is a flip against 9's or lower (nobodies going to call 13m with that, not even O'Dea or Stazco who are chip leaders.

The KQ call was even worse, lets not even get into that.


You don't play much tournament poker do you? I can't really fully explain why it's standard in less than 5 minutes time (and I'm about to pass out), but I'll leave you with this thought:

There are situations in poker where your hand is likely behind the opponent's range and calling is still an easy and correct move. Also, his range wasn't as tight as you made it out to be.

I didn't say the AT was a super solid call (or do I mean to imply it's a snap fold), but to say it's "horrible" is pretty lol. It's defensible at a minimum.

Also huge lol @ folding TT.

Honestly, I should just Pokerstove this and solve it, but I really think your range is far too tight. However, if you have the stack sizes, blinds, etc. pokerstove can at least get us halfway there. I'm about to pass out tho. Perhaps tmw. It's close, but it's not horrible by any means.
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
July 20 2011 10:24 GMT
#938
On July 20 2011 19:02 Looms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 18:59 Karak wrote:
I think Saszko's play on the final 10 today has been very underrated.


I was thinking the exact same thing, but I haven't seen a ton of praise for his play yet. It is harder to say much about his preflop decisions without the benefit of seeing holecards however.


Meh it's possible he was getting smashed in the face with the deck, but unlikely. . In the hand where Phil and Antonio both correctly guessed JJ, JJ was also the very first hand to come to my mind too. This late with these stack sizes, establishing at least loose ranges on most of those players wasn't too wild.

The fact that Staszko left some doubt in our minds and the minds of others speaks well about his play.
coko
Profile Joined November 2002
United Kingdom570 Posts
July 20 2011 11:05 GMT
#939
9 Samuel Holden 13,725,000

COME ON MY SON! YOU CAN DO IT!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 11:19:39
July 20 2011 11:19 GMT
#940
If you're talking about his pot odds, he open shoved with it dude, and YES he was playing that tight are you kidding? He folded every hand, didn't steal a single pot for 4-5 hours. And the way the hand was table was playign out every time someone shoved, that was the range. He wasn't 3 betting anyone so he wasn't getting any chance to steal the blinds and antes there, which would amount to 1.1m

You're telling me that shipping it on a 1.1m pot by sending out 13m is a high EV situation with ATo? You tell me the odds and how wide of a range he needs to beat for that to be +EV especially when the other 9 players were not calling 13mil all ins with jack shit, especially on a guy who open shoves on his first hand after 5 hours of play.

Go on LP or 2+2 and tell me what they say.
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