On July 03 2011 16:43 overt wrote: Hey, just a difference of opinion. As I said, I thought this was a good write-up. I don't enjoy competitive TF2 and to me the whole idea of playing that game at a competitive level is as I said, a joke. Not just cause of the lack of viewers and general interest or the insanely low cash prizes but also because the game itself is a very casual FPS game.
I don't want to be misunderstood either. When I said that most people who play TF2 are very very bad I wasn't talking about the competitive community. I'm talking about the game in general. I tried to keep all of my conversation about the competitive scene in just one paragraph so if that was confusing I apologize. If you go pubbing though you're going to have a very easy time doing well in TF2 because as I said, most of the people who play it are very very bad. Yes, there is more competition if you go to TF2Lobby or if you start doing #tf2.pug.na but on virtually any pub server if you're experienced at PC FPS games you will top frag a lot. Just my experience.
I'm not trying to down too much on the game, I obviously have enjoyed it. Just giving my perspective as to why I don't play it as much. If I came across as some sort of elitist or someone who thinks they're "super pro" then I apologize. I just don't much like the competitive community in TF2.
I guess the one thing we do agree on is the community can be pretty meh sometimes but I think to call the game a joke is pretty ridiculous. Maybe I am misunderstanding but it seems like you are saying you think the whole scene is shit and people trying to actually play the game seriously are doing something wrong. I just don't see your reasoning at all, what is wrong with it competitively?
I mean I personally feel like the level of skill is amazing, players are always evolving and getting better, and that there isn't any real reason why TF2 should be treated as inferior to other FPS games. I mean with the way CS and Quake are taking hits I hope that it can be a refuge for a lot of the pros that need to move on to a newer game. I love both of those games but there isn't really anything on the horizon for them. There may not be anything on the horizon for TF2 either with the dropping out of coL and EG being a ways in the past but I at least hope with this new free to play model and raising awareness of an already awesome community in SC2 there is an opportunity to make a case for TF2.
I just don't understand what you think TF2 is missing to go as far as call competitive TF2 a joke and say people shouldn't expect to enjoy watching it.
I don't really want to derail this thread anymore than I might have, so I'll just say that in my opinion this game is really fun to pick up and play but I wouldn't try to get into the competitive side unless you've already spent at least 150 hours in one of the four comp classes (Medic, Scout, Solly, Demo).
On July 03 2011 17:17 overt wrote: I don't really want to derail this thread anymore than I might have, so I'll just say that in my opinion this game is really fun to pick up and play but I wouldn't try to get into the competitive side unless you've already spent at least 150 hours in one of the four comp classes (Medic, Scout, Solly, Demo).
Yeah quality time frame there but for new players that isn't necessarily set in stone but you need to make sure you are fairly decent enough. As you said earlier 24 man servers are a good measurement tool for how decent you are compared to 32 man. If you dominate in those and you have a decent number of hours on the class you want to play then you are probably good.
On July 03 2011 16:43 overt wrote: I'm hatin' on the competitive TF2 scene 'coz that game's like, for kids and shit
Obviously the general pub skill level is low, but that doesn't mean that there's no skill in the game, in fact, I would say that TF2 contains the most depth out of of competitive FPS out there currently, not only because it's not a (and I realize the irony in generalizing another FPS during the defense of my own) "run around and twitch-er" and because of that team dynamic we all know and love.
There's a reason why most TF2 Players come from a Quake Live background, they are both games that require amazing precision and skill to be at the top of, which is why you can hardly judge the complexity of a game based on its most simplistic appearances.
I'm not too familiar with the TF2 community or higher end play, but in general what I've understood is that it's a passable game for competetive play with a healthy playerbase to keep up the competition. It's in no way a perfect match for competetive play, but with the gaming industry being what it is these days, TF2 is one of the better options you've got.
my advice to anyone is just to play the game, try different game types and find what is fun for you. Don't pay attention to any class guides or any balance threads on steam forums(they are shit).
Personally, it was arena that really got me into the game. Made lots of friends and eventually I moved onto comp play but I still pub. For anyone that wants to jump into comp as fast as possible, I would recommend playing lots of deathmatch mods, and hopping onto tf2lobby. tf2lobby is pretty terrible, but its the easiest start to 6v6 play.
Also it is certainly not considered a joke as a competitive game... many quake/cs players enjoy comp tf2 and vice versa.
edit: oh and here is a nice RECENT frag movie of tf2. From the last season of esea-i, shows frags from every player on the team and has snazzy editing so I thought it would be a good vid for people not familiar with tf2
it says 12hour download. anyway to speed up steam download games, it took me a bloody hour to download kotor1. download speed from speedtest is 4.2mpbs
On July 03 2011 18:28 gullberg wrote: You say COMPETITIVE TF2 and yet you link to TF2lobby, effing facepalm son.
Just use #tf2pickup (Atleast that was popular when I played 2 years ago)
All the other shit seems to have died off, tf2lobby is great for learning to play competitively. If you are better than that you don't need a fucking guide.
On July 03 2011 18:59 Isaac wrote: it says 12hour download. anyway to speed up steam download games, it took me a bloody hour to download kotor1. download speed from speedtest is 4.2mpbs
Damn that sucks I have had some trouble with things starting at a high downloading speed but then slowing down a ton. You could try pausing and unpausing.
On July 03 2011 18:59 Isaac wrote: it says 12hour download. anyway to speed up steam download games, it took me a bloody hour to download kotor1. download speed from speedtest is 4.2mpbs
Steam servers are under huge pressure currently with the sale all downloads for me have been slow.
Tf2 is a great game, it makes a difference from the normal cod/bf serious theme, well worth a try
On July 03 2011 18:59 Isaac wrote: it says 12hour download. anyway to speed up steam download games, it took me a bloody hour to download kotor1. download speed from speedtest is 4.2mpbs
To my calculation, your actual download speed would be around 500KBps. TF2 is around 10GB, so if your full speed connection can be that right, it would take around 6 hours. I downloaded the whole thing with 1.5MBps xD took around 2 hour ^^
On July 04 2011 00:04 TelV wrote: Where did he get those Splatter Effects? My Game is like: Oh He died,there is his Body,but no rolling pieces of his body -,-
The German version is cut :p
Uncut=limps fly around after killing someone and massive amounts of blood.
German version= no blood and "splatter" means cog wheels, hamburger etc flying around(not joking...)
The free version was uncut for Germans until 3 days ago. One way to play uncut is: Delete the team fortress 2 low violence.gfc-file under steam/steamapps(you have to have steam closed for that), start hotspot, start steam and connect to a server, tab out and close hotspot or your ping will be horrible. As soon as you close the game steam will download that team fortress 2 low violence.gfc file again...
Don't know if this gets you banned tho. € It's actually such a hassle that I just started to play the cut version, it doesn't matter that much to me anyway, I play mostly Medic :p
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