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Can anyone give me some advice please. I've only really played as big European nations
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I'm using Death and Taxes mod
I can't seem to do anything now. Ottomans have 70,000 troops and 30 ships. My forcelimit is 15 (I believe it doubles if I go to war with Ottomans, but that's not going to help much). I've lost all of my Turkish cores. Can't become allies with Hungary or Lithuanian (I'm allied with Poland) and because my capital city isn't connected to the rest of my territories (because of the Ottomans) my territories are earning nothing.
Would be good if I could give Constantinople to the Ottomans without declaring war on them, and then take it back in a couple of hundred years when I've built up a decent empire.
My original idea of a massive Asian empire might be out the window now... I believe it'll take me the next 300 years just trying to form The Roman Empire.
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Well, here's a piece of general advice that goes for all nations, but especially the weaker ones:
Opportunism is king. You can take over Castille as Granada if you only just wait for the right moment. Depending on your aggressiveness setting, most major powers will be in wars all over the place. When they get crushed they often just lose some random vassals/provinces, but a sneaky little bastard can lay siege to their entire empire with 1 unit per province and break them with some 100% peace treaties. As a tiny nation you can even break the peace immediately, take the -5 stab hit and get a second 100% peace in a short time.
To stay with the Castille example, as Granada I got my natural allies (Marocco, Algiers, Tunis), waited until Castille got into a major war with Aragon (if you don't want to constantly check their diplomacy page you can still see when their territory got sieged) and declared war. Castille couldn't handle so many enemies at once. They ceeded some territory to Aragon to get peace with them, but their armies were still defeated, so with each peace they got with one of their enemies, I could move in with my tiny army and claim the territories that their peace treaty just had freed from enemy occupation. I ended up splitting their territory in half, so they couldn't prevent the andalusian provinces from rebelling/defecting to me. After this they were crippled and Granada up to ~10 provinces, so I could take them out easily in a later war.
So yeah, bide your time, watch the map and strike when you get the chance.
edit: In your specific case, you can wait for an Ottoman/Austrian war (Mameluks might work too but they tend to be weaker) and backstab them with your polish allies. Until then, just gobble up the Horde territory to the east/southeast.
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you should be able to keep expanding into asia slowly. ottomans is going to be hard now they are this large, wait for them to go to war with austria, should happen fairly constantly as austria gets spammed with "kill ottomans" missions in D&T
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On December 22 2011 23:54 turdburgler wrote:
you should be able to keep expanding into asia slowly. ottomans is going to be hard now they are this large, wait for them to go to war with austria, should happen fairly constantly as austria gets spammed with "kill ottomans" missions in D&T
And move your capital to Asia.
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Also, since in most D&T games the Ottomans inevitably get into a war with Venice over the Greek provinces and get their navy destroyed, you could wait until their army is in Asia, perhaps via the use of spy -> rebels, and then blockade the crossing and take all the Greek provinces for yourself.
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You were too slow. What you want to do is day1 DoW the two minors on the southwestern coast of Turkey and gobble them up. Then you'll ally Wallachia to your north and have an epic war with the Ottomans (You might need your Liberum Veto decision for this war. The decentralisation is annoying but no biggie as you start pretty centralised), but this is all too late for you now.
If I were you, I'd restart at 1405 for a few extra provinces and be way way more agressive to the nearby minors you have cores on. Being passive does nothing but rule out stuff for you.
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On December 23 2011 00:21 Omsomsoms wrote:
Also, since in most D&T games the Ottomans inevitably get into a war with Venice over the Greek provinces and get their navy destroyed, you could wait until their army is in Asia, perhaps via the use of spy -> rebels, and then blockade the crossing and take all the Greek provinces for yourself.
you cant blockade the ottomans out of the game in D&T because thrace crosses the river as a single province.
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The Fang Dynasty, 1666. The largest income, tech (about 10 ahead of the next highest, Poland (lol)), and army of the world. PUd with Ming, Best buds with Westernized Japan, stuck with the best Celestial Empire government.
I started as Fang in the 1356 scenario of Death and Taxes. Fang is a tiny three province minor in the collapsing Mongol Empire. Ming has some special trigger which lets them instantly annex any province of the Mongol Empire that they occupy, to reflect the Mandate of Heaven. As Fang, I do not have this bonus, meaning that I have to gain provinces by sending colonists into them. Also as Fang, I don't get any free cores like Ming does on ALL OF CHINA, and I get something like .35 colonists per year. Did I mention that there are also three other province minors like me that I have to compete with? And that the Mongol Empire still starts with quite a big army?
The actual history of the Fang Dynasty is actually really fun. I could write an AAR about it, but I don't have any screenshots from it. If you guys want, I could try and do my best to illustrate this, but without screenshots it may not be very fun.
The European Superpowers are Great Britain, Lotharingia, Iberia, Bohemia, Byzantium, and of course giant Russia. In an odd twist of fate, the Russians are about 50 tech behind me, as was demonstrated in our last war, where I lost about 5,000 troops to their 150,000. The navy, of course, is in pretty bad shape, so it is primarily used in anti-pirate action.
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ye but you float 4k gold due to bad macro
lol lol lol lol :D
how many tech levels are the in d&t? i thought it maxed out at like 70 in vanilla?
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On December 24 2011 02:29 turdburgler wrote:
ye but you float 4k gold due to bad macro
lol lol lol lol :D
how many tech levels are the in d&t? i thought it maxed out at like 70 in vanilla?
actually i'm holding onto 4k gold cuz manafactuaries are like 4.8k each
and tech levels are like... 80?
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Welp
Fuck my entire god damn life.
Let's just say, my latest playtime in my AAR didn't quite go as planned. And when I say didn't quite go as planned, well, I fucking hate Austria. So god damn much.
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Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible?
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On December 29 2011 04:50 Ulfsark wrote:
Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible?
Yes, but it's really hard, lots of waiting (~200 years sometimes) and luck plays a HUGE factor in it. In Vanilla DW, Aztecs have a modifier that they basically always have to be at war or they get revolts fucking everywhere, so it's really silly. You basically have a shitty Tech Group where when if people come to your land immediately with New World, you will 100% die because 100k of your troops will lose to like 5k of theirs. You essentially need to sell a province ASAP and send them all your gold to get rep up and Westernize ASAP so you can change to Despotic Monarchy and they don't get free CB's on you.
Anyways, since you're new to the game, don't play Aztecs. Play Castille. Don't play the tutorial, it's ass. Castille is a great starting nation, however.
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does the game have korea? if so, how viable is it for a new player?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2011 04:57 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 04:50 Ulfsark wrote:
Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible? Yes, but it's really hard, lots of waiting (~200 years sometimes) and luck plays a HUGE factor in it. In Vanilla DW, Aztecs have a modifier that they basically always have to be at war or they get revolts fucking everywhere, so it's really silly. You basically have a shitty Tech Group where when if people come to your land immediately with New World, you will 100% die because 100k of your troops will lose to like 5k of theirs. You essentially need to sell a province ASAP and send them all your gold to get rep up and Westernize ASAP so you can change to Despotic Monarchy and they don't get free CB's on you. Anyways, since you're new to the game, don't play Aztecs. Play Castille. Don't play the tutorial, it's ass. Castille is a great starting nation, however.
Thanks! I started my first playthrough as Novorgod but the golden horde is pretty annoying.
Think I should install the Death and Taxes mod as a new player? Or would it be better to just stick to vanilla for now?
I think I have a basic understanding of the game already, I have played for about 10 hours.
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On December 29 2011 06:00 gameguard wrote:
does the game have korea? if so, how viable is it for a new player?
It has Korea, but good luck not getting bumfucked. As a new player, stick to major European nations then move on to Asian if you want. Castille for your first game to learn generally everything. France to learn vassalation mechanics/ground warfare, England to learn Naval rape, Portugal for colonization, Venice for trading, Austria for HRE mechanics.
Also
http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Newbie_Guide
On December 29 2011 06:12 Ulfsark wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2011 04:57 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 04:50 Ulfsark wrote:
Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible? Yes, but it's really hard, lots of waiting (~200 years sometimes) and luck plays a HUGE factor in it. In Vanilla DW, Aztecs have a modifier that they basically always have to be at war or they get revolts fucking everywhere, so it's really silly. You basically have a shitty Tech Group where when if people come to your land immediately with New World, you will 100% die because 100k of your troops will lose to like 5k of theirs. You essentially need to sell a province ASAP and send them all your gold to get rep up and Westernize ASAP so you can change to Despotic Monarchy and they don't get free CB's on you. Anyways, since you're new to the game, don't play Aztecs. Play Castille. Don't play the tutorial, it's ass. Castille is a great starting nation, however. Thanks! I started my first playthrough as Novorgod but the golden horde is pretty annoying. Think I should install the Death and Taxes mod as a new player? Or would it be better to just stick to vanilla for now? I think I have a basic understanding of the game already, I have played for about 10 hours.
Don't get too cocky. I played it for well over 7 months before I felt I had a decent understanding of the game. D&T is fun, but I recommend Vanilla for new players. It's a magical experience and you can't appreciate D&T's changes appropriately until you play DW vanilla a good amount. Not that DW is bad, but you know what I mean. I mean, you probably haven't even experienced close to half of the possibilities to do. Such as playing a trading nation, an HRE OPM and vassalizing everyone, colonizing everywhere in the new world, conquering Europe as a Muslim nation, etc. 10 hours is a good start, but it's hardly an understanding  I played Vanilla DW for ~10 months before I felt a need to mod, by the way as I slowly progressed up to being able to play on Very Hard.
I can 100% guarantee there are a bunch of intricacies of the game you don't even know exist yet
So yeah, just keep playing. Novgorod is really fun, GH is a total bitch.
ALSO
Turn off Lucky Nations. It's such a bullshit mechanic that gives such stupid bonus' to some nations, ugh, just turn it off in the options screen. That may be why, no offense, some of your success is coming from if you have that turned on. It's just such a stupid mechanic that gives unfair bonus' to the nth degree. Anyways, depending on how you do on your Novgorod game, I would recommend pumping up the difficulty one notch and playing Sweden and uniting Scandanavia and colonizing the new world or perhaps doing some Teutonic Order.
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Sounds good man thanks for the help. I think I did decent because I pumped econ early on and then made a ton of armies when I needed them.
I wanted to play as Sweden or Norway originally but begin a vassal kinda turned me off. But it makes for an interesting goal to overthrow Denmark.
Thanks again for the help man.
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On December 29 2011 06:23 Ulfsark wrote:
Sounds good man thanks for the help. I think I did decent because I pumped econ early on and then made a ton of armies when I needed them.
I wanted to play as Sweden or Norway originally but begin a vassal kinda turned me off. But it makes for an interesting goal to overthrow Denmark.
Thanks again for the help man.
Meh, being a vassal early on is pretty beneficiary. Just keep your rep with them below 190 and they can't annex you or anything. Nonetheless, make sure never to go over your support limit, be making dosh yearly, keep your stab at 3, and keep Lucky Nations turned off and you're golden ponyboy. The rest will come naturally. Trading is especially awesome to pick up once you get the hang of it.
Don't bother yourself with modding or whatever early on. Just focus on having fun
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On December 29 2011 06:12 Ulfsark wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2011 04:57 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 04:50 Ulfsark wrote:
Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible? Yes, but it's really hard, lots of waiting (~200 years sometimes) and luck plays a HUGE factor in it. In Vanilla DW, Aztecs have a modifier that they basically always have to be at war or they get revolts fucking everywhere, so it's really silly. You basically have a shitty Tech Group where when if people come to your land immediately with New World, you will 100% die because 100k of your troops will lose to like 5k of theirs. You essentially need to sell a province ASAP and send them all your gold to get rep up and Westernize ASAP so you can change to Despotic Monarchy and they don't get free CB's on you. Anyways, since you're new to the game, don't play Aztecs. Play Castille. Don't play the tutorial, it's ass. Castille is a great starting nation, however. Thanks! I started my first playthrough as Novorgod but the golden horde is pretty annoying. Think I should install the Death and Taxes mod as a new player? Or would it be better to just stick to vanilla for now? I think I have a basic understanding of the game already, I have played for about 10 hours.
I'd skip D&T for the time being. D&T makes the game somewhat more complicated, as sliders now can be really really really bad for you if you go wrong, whereas in vanilla they were more clear.
The main difference is that in DW5.1 (latest patch for EU3) sliders just give positive bonuses, and the middle is neutral. If you go for land, you get land bonuses whereas the sea ones are left unchanged, as if neutral.
In D&T however you get a bigger bonus for land, but a large defecit in sea as well, making your navy useless really quickly, making a diversed gameplay trickier. If you want to be a trading empire, your army will be worse, as plutocratism has negative effects for your army, but your navy will get better.
Other than that it's just... more. You can form the roman empire as the byzantines, and you can form some big ass empire as bohemia / hungary / lithuania, there's a bonus for being under 0,1 inflation and advisors cost more but give lot's of attributes. National decisions require sertain slider moves instead of just raw technology, but are also stronger (and give negative attributes to stats considered opposite).
Save it until you feel vanilla EU3 is boring and predictable.
On December 29 2011 06:15 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 06:00 gameguard wrote:
does the game have korea? if so, how viable is it for a new player? It has Korea, but good luck not getting bumfucked. As a new player, stick to major European nations then move on to Asian if you want. Castille for your first game to learn generally everything. France to learn vassalation mechanics/ground warfare, England to learn Naval rape, Portugal for colonization, Venice for trading, Austria for HRE mechanics. Also http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Newbie_GuideShow nested quote +On December 29 2011 06:12 Ulfsark wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2011 04:57 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 04:50 Ulfsark wrote:
Just picked this game up, is it possible for the aztecs to sail to europe? For Irony's sake I want to conquer Europe as the Aztects, I know that it will be hard but I want to try it.
Is it at all possible? Yes, but it's really hard, lots of waiting (~200 years sometimes) and luck plays a HUGE factor in it. In Vanilla DW, Aztecs have a modifier that they basically always have to be at war or they get revolts fucking everywhere, so it's really silly. You basically have a shitty Tech Group where when if people come to your land immediately with New World, you will 100% die because 100k of your troops will lose to like 5k of theirs. You essentially need to sell a province ASAP and send them all your gold to get rep up and Westernize ASAP so you can change to Despotic Monarchy and they don't get free CB's on you. Anyways, since you're new to the game, don't play Aztecs. Play Castille. Don't play the tutorial, it's ass. Castille is a great starting nation, however. Thanks! I started my first playthrough as Novorgod but the golden horde is pretty annoying. Think I should install the Death and Taxes mod as a new player? Or would it be better to just stick to vanilla for now? I think I have a basic understanding of the game already, I have played for about 10 hours. [...] ALSO Turn off Lucky Nations. It's such a bullshit mechanic that gives such stupid bonus' to some nations, ugh, just turn it off in the options screen. That may be why, no offense, some of your success is coming from if you have that turned on. It's just such a stupid mechanic that gives unfair bonus' to the nth degree. Anyways, depending on how you do on your Novgorod game, I would recommend pumping up the difficulty one notch and playing Sweden and uniting Scandanavia and colonizing the new world or perhaps doing some Teutonic Order.
The player can't be a lucky nation, it's only the NPC. It just makes it harder to overthrow France, Austria, Spain, England and such, that are supposed to shape Europe.
Pretty good imo. I always get depressed when France is a clusterfuck and Burgundy is blobbing. Wtf is burgundy anyway...
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