• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:58
CEST 17:58
KST 00:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event5Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced63
StarCraft 2
General
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025)
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups StarCraft player reflex TE scores BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 559 users

Europa Universalis 3 - Page 85

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 83 84 85 86 87 101 Next
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
December 29 2011 03:04 GMT
#1681
okay, Probably my last question for the day.

Any advice on what to do during peace? I don't really feel like just speeding time up.

So far I have just been doing diplomacy and trade stuff but that is still done at a slow pace due to limitations.

thanks for all the answers today guys.
gg wp
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 29 2011 04:06 GMT
#1682
Trade, build up diplomatic relations, prepare for war, build buildings, build up your navy (if possible), expand your influence, try to get diplo-vassals, set up Personal Unions, colonization, set up Alliances, break up Alliances, etc.
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
December 29 2011 05:12 GMT
#1683
[image loading]

All your France are belong to us.

I am having a lot of fun now, Thanks a ton for the help.
gg wp
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 05:20:26
December 29 2011 05:18 GMT
#1684
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
December 29 2011 05:23 GMT
#1685
thanks!

I have been working on the paintings and trying to get an adviser for like 40 years.

I got all the infamy before you said it was bad.

Hopefully I can take care of it soon enough. I am just addicted to Annexing places.

gg wp
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 29 2011 05:24 GMT
#1686
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 05:26:43
December 29 2011 05:24 GMT
#1687
Aren't we all

With a 6 star infamy adviser, you easily lose .1 infamy/month so you should be a-okay. With a large nation such as Castille, expand the bureaucracy as well to get +1 more Magistrate/yr

On December 29 2011 14:24 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.


Oh is that how it works? I never had PU's outside of my Culture Group (I rarely get them in the first place) so I didn't know!

Speaking of such, other than cores (if they are in your culture group), what purpose is PU's over Vassalation? Vassals give you 50% of their income, whilst PU's do not, if I am not mistaken? Both fight for you no matter what in wars, are in your complete control, and you can eventually annex them. More importantly, Vassals aren't lost if your prestige drops and you don't have to deal with succession wars.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 29 2011 05:26 GMT
#1688
On December 29 2011 14:24 Fruscainte wrote:
Aren't we all

With a 6 star infamy adviser, you easily lose .1 infamy/month so you should be a-okay. With a large nation such as Castille, expand the bureaucracy as well to get +1 more Magistrate/yr

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 14:24 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.


Oh is that how it works? I never had PU's outside of my Culture Group (I rarely get them in the first place) so I didn't know!

the other thing about integrating is that if your diplo rating sucks it won't go through, and if you do it its just like diploannexing. For shits and giggles in my navarra game i tried integrating france and i got 55 infamy. considering my income was 80% in trade that was really fun.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 29 2011 05:33 GMT
#1689
On December 29 2011 14:26 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 14:24 Fruscainte wrote:
Aren't we all

With a 6 star infamy adviser, you easily lose .1 infamy/month so you should be a-okay. With a large nation such as Castille, expand the bureaucracy as well to get +1 more Magistrate/yr

On December 29 2011 14:24 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.


Oh is that how it works? I never had PU's outside of my Culture Group (I rarely get them in the first place) so I didn't know!

the other thing about integrating is that if your diplo rating sucks it won't go through, and if you do it its just like diploannexing. For shits and giggles in my navarra game i tried integrating france and i got 55 infamy. considering my income was 80% in trade that was really fun.


I'm just concerned how you went about getting a PU on France.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 29 2011 06:00 GMT
#1690
On December 29 2011 14:33 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 14:26 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:24 Fruscainte wrote:
Aren't we all

With a 6 star infamy adviser, you easily lose .1 infamy/month so you should be a-okay. With a large nation such as Castille, expand the bureaucracy as well to get +1 more Magistrate/yr

On December 29 2011 14:24 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.


Oh is that how it works? I never had PU's outside of my Culture Group (I rarely get them in the first place) so I didn't know!

the other thing about integrating is that if your diplo rating sucks it won't go through, and if you do it its just like diploannexing. For shits and giggles in my navarra game i tried integrating france and i got 55 infamy. considering my income was 80% in trade that was really fun.


I'm just concerned how you went about getting a PU on France.

keep in mind this was after i had already annexed the rest of the iberian pennisula through warmongering, then royal marriage with france + good relations + high prestige + alliance + getting france involved in a war + having king of france die in said war with no heir = victory
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 06:07:11
December 29 2011 06:07 GMT
#1691
On December 29 2011 15:00 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 14:33 Fruscainte wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:26 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:24 Fruscainte wrote:
Aren't we all

With a 6 star infamy adviser, you easily lose .1 infamy/month so you should be a-okay. With a large nation such as Castille, expand the bureaucracy as well to get +1 more Magistrate/yr

On December 29 2011 14:24 Caller wrote:
On December 29 2011 14:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Aw fuck son, nice job.

Pro tip for Personal Unions: NEVER use the Integrate function. EVER. Depending on your prestige and relation to them and however low your infamy is, you get a certain % chance, every time their Leader dies, to inherit the country. If you inherit it like that, you get instant cores on ALL of their Provinces. If you use the "Integrate" function, yes, you can get it significantly faster -- but you get all their provinces without cores and nationalism revolt risk. Which is very bad.

But good fucking job. Keep your relations up over 200 with them and you're solid batman. Good job.

EDIT: SHIT SON GET THAT INFAMY DOWN LOL

Get some paintings and get an infamy adviser. Oh shit LOL.

By the way, since I'm already on a roll. Your speeds. x4 for when nothing is happening, x3 for action and pause liberally. The only time I condone x5'ing is if you're a New World / Isolated nation and you got lots of waiting to do.

for pu's, you only get cores on their provinces if they are in the same culture group as you. since france and castille are in different culture groups you will get no cores in this scenario.


Oh is that how it works? I never had PU's outside of my Culture Group (I rarely get them in the first place) so I didn't know!

the other thing about integrating is that if your diplo rating sucks it won't go through, and if you do it its just like diploannexing. For shits and giggles in my navarra game i tried integrating france and i got 55 infamy. considering my income was 80% in trade that was really fun.


I'm just concerned how you went about getting a PU on France.

keep in mind this was after i had already annexed the rest of the iberian pennisula through warmongering,


You know, I'm not even going to ask.
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
December 29 2011 17:59 GMT
#1692
I got a decent infamy adviser but I got more infamy because I had 100% war score vs 3 nations and I made vassals out of two of them. I couldn't resist.

I now have 4 vassals
gg wp
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 30 2011 06:13 GMT
#1693
So after 250 long years of waiting I finally am Westernized as the Aztecs, control all of Central and parts of Northern/Southern America. I got 80,000 men with cannons and am caught up in tech with a 80 ship large navy. First, North America will be mine.

Then?

Rain or shine Europe, but yo ass is mine.
Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
December 30 2011 08:03 GMT
#1694
Did you steal my idea? Either way I am impressed.

May I ask how one accomplishes such a feat?
gg wp
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 30 2011 12:46 GMT
#1695
by careful use of the fast forward button
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 30 2011 16:05 GMT
#1696
On December 30 2011 21:46 turdburgler wrote:
by careful use of the fast forward button


Lots of patience, mainly.

I had to spend 100 years from 1500-1600 before I saw my first European nation, and during that entire time I had the European Disease event that basically gave every province free revolts every other month. I was pretty fucking large. Then I had to deal with Westernization in addition to the fucking Diseases.
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
December 30 2011 17:36 GMT
#1697
so, I've made many mistake on my first run (which is still going).

The biggest problem i face right now is Inflation and fucking rebels EVERYWHERE. I started off with korea, took ryuku early, then took some mayasian shit. I got some lands in pegu and vasalized brunei.

I read some strategy on korea which is bare bones and it said to get unam sanctum first to kill the infedels, but fucking I should have just tried to race trade tech to get quest for the new world. It seems like thats the limiting factor for westernizing because I already have -2 centralism (over the limiter ... damn revolts lol) and -3 innovation. My innovation and confucian teachings gets me negative missionaries so i cant convert these infedels LOL. My stability keep taking hits because of fucking country events. Oh my war exaustion is probably really high right now because i was in war for like 5 years... Revolt % is like 15+ across the board on all my noncore. Even my cores have 4% right now lol.... fuck

Im sitting at at like 8 inflation and its only 1450 or so. If i play it over, i would have a better idea on strategy but, it took me so long to even get here ~_~
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 30 2011 18:54 GMT
#1698
8 inflation?

Holy fuck.

Like I said, start with a European nation like Castille or something to get the ropes of things. Korea is like starting Starcraft and your first game being in Masters League.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
December 30 2011 19:16 GMT
#1699
Reading this thread really makes me want to start playing again, I just don't know if I can take one more game of my kings dying on me constantly lol.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 30 2011 20:05 GMT
#1700
High do you get higher star advisers besides being random? All of the ones I can buy are the basic 1-star.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Prev 1 83 84 85 86 87 101 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Group Stage Day 1
WardiTV1085
uThermal598
SteadfastSC288
TKL 198
IndyStarCraft 158
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 598
SteadfastSC 288
TKL 198
IndyStarCraft 158
Livibee 89
ForJumy 28
trigger 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41082
Rain 6755
Calm 2973
Bisu 2764
Sea 1470
ggaemo 1414
ZerO 1353
Mong 862
Soulkey 857
BeSt 611
[ Show more ]
Snow 434
Soma 277
hero 253
Jaedong 246
Mini 207
sSak 170
actioN 159
Larva 127
Dewaltoss 122
Zeus 108
Sharp 91
JYJ63
sorry 63
Killer 36
Sea.KH 29
Sexy 28
[sc1f]eonzerg 27
Aegong 23
soO 21
Sacsri 19
Shine 18
yabsab 14
sas.Sziky 13
Terrorterran 12
IntoTheRainbow 11
scan(afreeca) 7
ivOry 7
JulyZerg 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6470
qojqva3204
syndereN372
420jenkins230
Counter-Strike
fl0m2327
Foxcn477
flusha307
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor147
Other Games
gofns7471
Beastyqt524
KnowMe424
Lowko347
RotterdaM230
XaKoH 101
QueenE94
ArmadaUGS92
Fuzer 80
Trikslyr47
EmSc Tv 19
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV41
EmSc Tv 19
StarCraft 2
EmSc2Tv 19
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 82
• davetesta25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix9
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV629
Other Games
• Shiphtur165
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
10h 2m
RSL Revival
18h 2m
SC Evo League
20h 2m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
23h 2m
CSO Cup
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.