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On July 18 2011 15:47 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
any tips for learning evil ryu? I can't find a good tutorial online, and I have no idea which of his combos should I use most often. Will the challenges with the normal ryu help me learn evil ryu since there are none for him?
http://airryu.blogspot.com/2011/04/evil-ryu.html
Pretty advanced stuff here, but definitely worth checking out. I don't play E.Ryu, but I play as Ken so I'd master kara throwing if I played as him.
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On July 18 2011 15:47 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
any tips for learning evil ryu? I can't find a good tutorial online, and I have no idea which of his combos should I use most often. Will the challenges with the normal ryu help me learn evil ryu since there are none for him?
Akuma is more similar to evil ryu than ryu. Akuma has the red fireball and shitty hp, 'nuff said. The ultras evil ryu and ryu have are similar, but odds are you are better off using akuma to learn
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But Akuma plays way different, what with the air fireball, post-knockdown mixup game, walk speed, and movement options. In terms of the general approach, Ryu is closer to Evil Ryu, though honestly they're not that close either.
Evil Ryu kind of seems like an unfriendly beginner character. His viability and the reason you play him over Ryu is for the explosive combo damage, a lot of which is tied to range-dependent cr.mk xx hadouken FADC followups and particularly the 1-frame link in cl.hp xx MK Axe Kick, cr.mp xx ... etc.
Anyway, learning combos is just one facet of learning a character.
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Akuma is closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have a red fireball and a "shitty" hp? I guess that means Yang is closer to Fei than Yun cause both Yang and Fei have rekkas. Hell I guess even the twins are closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have dive kicks.
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On July 18 2011 16:38 Demoninja wrote:
Akuma is closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have a red fireball and a "shitty" hp? I guess that means Yang is closer to Fei than Yun cause both Yang and Fei have rekkas. Hell I guess even the twins are closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have dive kicks.
Cmon man, who else in the game have red fireballs? And not shitty hard punch, shitty health (both @ 850)
Also they both have the akuma teleport, akuma has dive kick too. Evil ryu actually isn't similar to ryu except for the ultras and that he has shoto moves
Also, finding similarities is still pointless; using ryu or akuma to learn evil ryu is wrong. Just use evil ryu duh
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Yeah, sorry but I lashed out at you specifically. I ALWAYS hear people say Akuma is closer to Ryu and it's annoying for me since it's not true at all. While they have similar movesets they have completely different play styles. In fact I get annoyed every time I see "omg another shoto?" when all of them play differently.
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On July 18 2011 16:52 Demoninja wrote:
Yeah, sorry but I lashed out at you specifically. I ALWAYS hear people say Akuma is closer to Ryu and it's annoying for me since it's not true at all. While they have similar movesets they have completely different play styles. In fact I get annoyed every time I see "omg another shoto?" when all of them play differently.
Akuma is close to evil ryu in terms of moveset/stats; that having been said, his playstyle is still completely different, just like all the shotos
I'm not saying that they are the same gameplay wise lol. That would be like me going "okay i will play ryu to learn ken since they are the same character" or "okay i will learn zangief by using thawk cuz they both throw shit"
^Don't use Ryu/Akuma to learn evil ryu, use evil ryu to learn evil ryu, that's the best choice.
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On July 18 2011 11:38 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 11:00 Toolshed wrote:
Just noticed that there is a guy with something like 9897231pp on the PC version leaderboards. Didn't capcom say it was impossible to hack the ladder now that the game runs on GFWL ... I'll be disappointed if this doesn't get fixed like right now =/ Hm, did they ever say that? I heard SF4 PC leaderboards were pretty notoriously hacked, and that was on GFWL too.
Here is a quote from Sven that was written before they released SSF4AE on PC which shows that they at least are aware of the issue, although reading it now he does not seem too confident about his statement.
Now, on the security side of things, SFIV unfortunately was plagued by pirates and hackers that messed up leaderboards. To hopefully remedy that, SSFIV:AE will be making use of what is called SSA technology (similar to what we used in Dead Rising 2). Like Xbox Live, players will sign in when they launch the game.
Link to his capcom blog
Seems like their SSA technology is not working as intended. For me nothing is more annoying than cheating fags in online games with a leaderboard. I just lose my will to compete
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On July 18 2011 17:59 Toolshed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 11:38 Excalibur_Z wrote:On July 18 2011 11:00 Toolshed wrote:
Just noticed that there is a guy with something like 9897231pp on the PC version leaderboards. Didn't capcom say it was impossible to hack the ladder now that the game runs on GFWL ... I'll be disappointed if this doesn't get fixed like right now =/ Hm, did they ever say that? I heard SF4 PC leaderboards were pretty notoriously hacked, and that was on GFWL too. Here is a quote from Sven that was written before they released SSF4AE on PC which shows that they at least are aware of the issue, although reading it now he does not seem too confident about his statement. Show nested quote +Now, on the security side of things, SFIV unfortunately was plagued by pirates and hackers that messed up leaderboards. To hopefully remedy that, SSFIV:AE will be making use of what is called SSA technology (similar to what we used in Dead Rising 2). Like Xbox Live, players will sign in when they launch the game. Link to his capcom blogSeems like their SSA technology is not working as intended. For me nothing is more annoying than cheating fags in online games with a leaderboard. I just lose my will to compete
Moar proof xbox>pc as I stated earlier
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nah, other than that my pc experience was great so far. Always easy to find someone with a similar ranking, no lag at all, friendly atmosphere, I don't need to turn on a console, easy streaming accessibility etc.
Also since this is only one guy this MIGHT be a bug.
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On July 18 2011 14:37 O-ops wrote:
lol sbo qual. First time I saw someone gets carried harder than Noel "Backpack" Brown in teams.
Fixed
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How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help
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On July 19 2011 00:11 thirnaz wrote:
How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help
Ryu in AE is slightly nerfed from Super Ryu.
First off if you're getting shoryukened through a red fireball why are you standing that close to him and letting him throw a fireball?
Secondly you can neutral jump over a fireball and not get hit by it and he won't have room to shoryuken you.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sf4-ryu-match-up-thread.69607/
Ryu Matchup thread, read the section about Akuma.
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On July 19 2011 00:43 DrBoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:11 thirnaz wrote:
How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help Ryu in AE is slightly nerfed from Super Ryu. First off if you're getting shoryukened through a red fireball why are you standing that close to him and letting him throw a fireball? Secondly you can neutral jump over a fireball and not get hit by it and he won't have room to shoryuken you. http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sf4-ryu-match-up-thread.69607/Ryu Matchup thread, read the section about Akuma.
No he does his red fireball that doesnt cost meter i try to jump in but its to slow and he has time to uppercut me. So I guess I have to practise safe jumps and i should be fine; i still feel akuma could just rush me down instead of turtle so he has win/win situation :/
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On July 19 2011 01:47 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:43 DrBoo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:11 thirnaz wrote:
How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help Ryu in AE is slightly nerfed from Super Ryu. First off if you're getting shoryukened through a red fireball why are you standing that close to him and letting him throw a fireball? Secondly you can neutral jump over a fireball and not get hit by it and he won't have room to shoryuken you. http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sf4-ryu-match-up-thread.69607/Ryu Matchup thread, read the section about Akuma. No he does his red fireball that doesnt cost meter i try to jump in but its to slow and he has time to uppercut me. So I guess I have to practise safe jumps and i should be fine; i still feel akuma could just rush me down instead of turtle so he has win/win situation :/
You can tatsu over him
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On July 19 2011 00:11 thirnaz wrote:
How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help
Ryu has way more health (1000 vs 850) and stun, that's already enough to make it an even match.
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On July 19 2011 01:47 thirnaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:43 DrBoo wrote:On July 19 2011 00:11 thirnaz wrote:
How is Ryu even supposed to have a chance vs Akuma? Ryu just seems worse in every single way, less dmg, worse fireballs. Only thing i have going for me is that i have more overall health but what does that matter if he just turtle and does his redfireball that cost no meter and as soon as i try jump in he uppercut :/ pl0x help Ryu in AE is slightly nerfed from Super Ryu. First off if you're getting shoryukened through a red fireball why are you standing that close to him and letting him throw a fireball? Secondly you can neutral jump over a fireball and not get hit by it and he won't have room to shoryuken you. http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sf4-ryu-match-up-thread.69607/Ryu Matchup thread, read the section about Akuma. No he does his red fireball that doesnt cost meter i try to jump in but its to slow and he has time to uppercut me. So I guess I have to practise safe jumps and i should be fine; i still feel akuma could just rush me down instead of turtle so he has win/win situation :/
You must be waiting too long to jump then. Shakunetsu (red fireball) has a ton of startup time. Just jump when you see his shoulders on fire and you'll clear the fireball and punish.
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On July 18 2011 16:38 Demoninja wrote:
Akuma is closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have a red fireball and a "shitty" hp? I guess that means Yang is closer to Fei than Yun cause both Yang and Fei have rekkas. Hell I guess even the twins are closer to E.Ryu than Ryu cause they both have dive kicks.
Well, to be fair ERyu is much closer to Akuma than Ryu yes, but not just cuz of the red fireball. Their playstyle is different but his move sets and frame data are closer to akuma than Ryu.
Fireballs are like Akumas, except EX which is Ken's
Shoryukens are Ryu's, except EX which is Akuma's
Tatsu's are Akuma's, except EX which is Ryu's
Red fireball...akumas
Teleport...akumas
Divekick...akumas
f.mp, akumas
movespeed, closer to akumas
Super, akumas
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yeah actually ryu has edge over akuma. IF he's competent though and you're not it's a nightmare matchup because akuma has many setups that will stuff your DP after he knocks you down
two specific ones to watch out for:
max range sweep -> hard demonflip -> kick, your DP will be stuffed for full combo
forward throw -> he whiffs st.hk (that double hard kick move) -> hard demonflip -> your DP will be stuffed for full combo
that said, if you think akuma is better then you might as well start learning him. but you can only start if you can fadc u1 with 90% accuracy otherwise you're wasting your time
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Hey exalted I sent you a friend request on PC and I saw one of your replays as Sak. Use crouching fierce more! More link combos!
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