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DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
July 12 2011 22:25 GMT
#1341
On July 13 2011 07:06 Tiamat wrote:
Did they fix the joystick issues?


Should be fixed tonight or tomorrow morning
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
July 12 2011 22:26 GMT
#1342
On July 13 2011 06:22 Megaman703 wrote:
How healthy is the online playerbase for the PC version?

Considering getting this, but I dont want to find out that I won't be able to get matchmaking for my level.


you will get the same opponents a lot over and over again, but its ok i guess.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 12 2011 22:27 GMT
#1343
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.
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Genzo
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark207 Posts
July 12 2011 22:30 GMT
#1344
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Something tells me to just suck it up and go sign up for a ladder match, won't know how good i am untill i actually start playing against others, hehe
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 12 2011 22:32 GMT
#1345
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Pretty much how I feel about it as well, I don't do 1v1's on SC2 anymore, only team games because I can do whatever the fuck I want and screw around, whereas its too much of an effort to do 1v1'ing anymore. On SF4 I can just take a break between any 3-4 minute set and thats that.
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mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
July 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#1346
On July 13 2011 07:30 Genzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Something tells me to just suck it up and go sign up for a ladder match, won't know how good i am untill i actually start playing against others, hehe



Just like in starcraft, I'd worry about developing bad habits from playing the AI too much. I beat the arcade mode on hardest using basically only fp and ex moves with Honda, never focus attacking or throwing or jabbing, barely using any ultras or supers. That kind of play got me around an 8% win rate online.
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
Genzo
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark207 Posts
July 12 2011 22:55 GMT
#1347
On July 13 2011 07:54 mucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:30 Genzo wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Something tells me to just suck it up and go sign up for a ladder match, won't know how good i am untill i actually start playing against others, hehe



Just like in starcraft, I'd worry about developing bad habits from playing the AI too much. I beat the arcade mode on hardest using basically only fp and ex moves with Honda, never focus attacking or throwing or jabbing, barely using any ultras or supers. That kind of play got me around an 8% win rate online.


ive been watching some streams and i seem to be trying to observe the opponent AI more to try and counter
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 12 2011 23:01 GMT
#1348
On July 13 2011 07:30 Genzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Something tells me to just suck it up and go sign up for a ladder match, won't know how good i am untill i actually start playing against others, hehe


Just go for it, really... You'll probably get your ass handed 95% of the time during the first 50 or so matches, but what the hell, they'll only last ~3minues or something

The start is rough but after having like 5% win rate after 50matches with Ibuki I'm nearing 25% now after ~130 or something and even If I lose I at least take a round most of the time, it's really cool to see the progress on yourself.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Qiang1446
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States92 Posts
July 13 2011 00:44 GMT
#1349
I think ssfiv is so much harder than scii @ least to learn... so many matchups to learn, so many char specific setups, after playing the game for awhile I still have the feeling that I'm pretty much just "freestyling" every game... and even if I win it just doesn't feel satisfying because I don't know if I actually played well or not.. half the time when I win I don't even know what I'm doing

I've learned all my bnb combos, and can do my ultra combos etc.. learned some frame data on some skills, but I still feel like i'm progressing soooo slowly.. at least compared to scii

watching sfiv "replays" also is no help to me because the ppl that play online never play like the way the pros do in the youtube vids/replays

whereas in scii it's easy to learn how to respond to things etc, and much easier to learn if you're playing right (doing the right builds etc...)

101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 00:50:43
July 13 2011 00:46 GMT
#1350
On July 13 2011 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On July 13 2011 07:23 Genzo wrote:
Ive gotten pretty decent with Ibuki in arcade (still get my butt kicked at higher dificulty) but for some reason i can't get myself to play against others, same problem i had laddering SC2


I have an aversion to the ladder in SC2 also but I can play SF4 for hours and hours against other players. Maybe because the time investment is so short by comparison? Also there's no ramp-up time before getting into the action. Being able to execute good footsies and long combos against good players is fun too, and playing against tournament-level players is exciting.


Pretty much how I feel about it as well, I don't do 1v1's on SC2 anymore, only team games because I can do whatever the fuck I want and screw around, whereas its too much of an effort to do 1v1'ing anymore. On SF4 I can just take a break between any 3-4 minute set and thats that.

Wow same here. I love how the rounds are limited to 99 seconds and each round is nice and short, clean 1v1 (although 7 round games do annoy me)

That and matchmaking is hack free, no random disconnects, less intensive (I can eat and play at the same time), and skill level is better represented (i.e. large gap between low masters+high masters, smaller gap between people in same rank)
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Fryght
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands254 Posts
July 13 2011 00:55 GMT
#1351
AE is much more amiable to play with a friend for an hour or so than SC2. In SC2 it takes quite a while to get started, only to destroy your opponent, while in AE you can quickly run it back.

That's what I like about it. Online play in both games is a lot of cheese. Can't really stand these idiots on AE that don't think, because mindgames don't work on them. They don't get scared, they just keep pushing buttons. Block & punish are easy wins, but also boring wins imo. Also, I feel that you give up the momentum when you play block & punish, which puts you at a disadvantage.

Furthermore, once I do get my damage in, most of the time there's still 60 seconds left on the clock, which is pretty hard to turtle out. Especially against my Akuma friend, playing as Makoto :p
vivaldi290
Profile Joined March 2011
Chad19 Posts
July 13 2011 01:05 GMT
#1352
If anyone wants to post vids of their play I can give some constructive criticism. I had 5k+pp before AE came out and I'm a big SC2 fan so just thought I'd offer to help you guys out.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 01:31:50
July 13 2011 01:30 GMT
#1353
On July 13 2011 09:55 Fryght wrote:
AE is much more amiable to play with a friend for an hour or so than SC2. In SC2 it takes quite a while to get started, only to destroy your opponent, while in AE you can quickly run it back.

That's what I like about it. Online play in both games is a lot of cheese. Can't really stand these idiots on AE that don't think, because mindgames don't work on them. They don't get scared, they just keep pushing buttons. Block & punish are easy wins, but also boring wins imo. Also, I feel that you give up the momentum when you play block & punish, which puts you at a disadvantage.

Furthermore, once I do get my damage in, most of the time there's still 60 seconds left on the clock, which is pretty hard to turtle out. Especially against my Akuma friend, playing as Makoto :p

Like sc2, "cheese" mostly happens at a low level. People who are higher up did not get there by spamming shoryuken or mashing buttons like a tekken player. The same cannot be said for sc2, where you can 6pool/4gate to grandmasters
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Gyabo
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States329 Posts
July 13 2011 01:34 GMT
#1354
Just got this game from steam but its not recognizing my joystick inputs. The buttons i can map just fine but when i try to map the upward joystick input to "up" nothing happens. Same with the other directions.

I'm using a PS3 Madcatz TE plugged into a USB PCI card that has a VIA chipset. I have vanilla SF4 on pc and i can use my stick just fine in that game but not AE. Anybody have an idea how i can fix this?
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 02:14:03
July 13 2011 01:42 GMT
#1355
On July 13 2011 10:34 Gyabo wrote:
Just got this game from steam but its not recognizing my joystick inputs. The buttons i can map just fine but when i try to map the upward joystick input to "up" nothing happens. Same with the other directions.

I'm using a PS3 Madcatz TE plugged into a USB PCI card that has a VIA chipset. I have vanilla SF4 on pc and i can use my stick just fine in that game but not AE. Anybody have an idea how i can fix this?

Shoulda bought a 360 stick

For those new and losing a shit ton, it's probably because you're new to SF4 (or fighting games in general) while a lot of the other "new" players are actually SF4 veterans who just upgraded to AE. I had a 80% win ratio from the getgo because I was hitting complete noobs who didn't know how to block low lol

And yeah, the skill curve is steep, but the game is really fun once you begin to understand how to play.
2 key things to learn:
1. Basic Combos/your BnB
2. Matchups (i.e. know how to block/avoid various ultras like dictator crossup ultra, blanka ultra, crossups, how to deal w/ dhalsim as zangief, what moves punish certain moves)
The 2nd one takes quite a bit (I still can't figure out Seth v. Gief and maintain it is broken) but once you get it you'll become much better
When your play becomes more refined you can throw in mixups, try 1-2 frame links, read your opponents, etc.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
strayzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany50 Posts
July 13 2011 01:49 GMT
#1356
On July 13 2011 10:34 Gyabo wrote:
Just got this game from steam but its not recognizing my joystick inputs. The buttons i can map just fine but when i try to map the upward joystick input to "up" nothing happens. Same with the other directions.

I'm using a PS3 Madcatz TE plugged into a USB PCI card that has a VIA chipset. I have vanilla SF4 on pc and i can use my stick just fine in that game but not AE. Anybody have an idea how i can fix this?

use this: http://code.google.com/p/x360ce/
Gyabo
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States329 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 01:53:45
July 13 2011 01:51 GMT
#1357
I have a PS3 and i play MvC3 and MK on it (hence why i have a PS3 stick). Also, my stick works just fine for vanilla SF4. It's only AE that's not recognizing the stick inputs, though it does recognizing button inputs. I can play a game and just press buttons doing normals but the character won't move.

Strayzor what is that? Can't figure out what to do with it.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 13 2011 01:57 GMT
#1358
On July 13 2011 10:51 Gyabo wrote:
I have a PS3 and i play MvC3 and MK on it (hence why i have a PS3 stick). Also, my stick works just fine for vanilla SF4. It's only AE that's not recognizing the stick inputs, though it does recognizing button inputs. I can play a game and just press buttons doing normals but the character won't move.

Strayzor what is that? Can't figure out what to do with it.


Set the switch on the face of the stick to LS as opposed to DP, and see if that works.
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Gyabo
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States329 Posts
July 13 2011 02:10 GMT
#1359
On July 13 2011 10:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 10:51 Gyabo wrote:
I have a PS3 and i play MvC3 and MK on it (hence why i have a PS3 stick). Also, my stick works just fine for vanilla SF4. It's only AE that's not recognizing the stick inputs, though it does recognizing button inputs. I can play a game and just press buttons doing normals but the character won't move.

Strayzor what is that? Can't figure out what to do with it.


Set the switch on the face of the stick to LS as opposed to DP, and see if that works.

You're a life saver, thanks bro. Works now.

Strayzor, I looked into that x360 controller emulator and i think it probably would've worked so thanks for the suggestion.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
July 13 2011 02:32 GMT
#1360
EG just signed Momochi, ChocoBlanka and fLoE. :O

http://myeg.net/article/article_detail.php?article_id=1147
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
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