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Anyone here tried out moving from playing on keyboard to using an arcade stick?
Currently in the middle of a rough transition and right now my biggest problem is just walking around, jumping in the right direction and dashing. Doing specials feels natural (charge or motion), and I didn't have problems with them right off the bat, but I'm having trouble just dashing
Anyone got advice? Right now I just try to spend at least an hour of my free time each day (I aim for more on weekends) to just hopping into training mode and spending time just trying to move around like I want to.
How long did it take you to get used to playing on stick?
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I've been playing SF4 on stick for over 2 years (transitioned from controller, was just as rough) and I STILL don't dash enough. It's just a pain on stick, imo. I've never played on keyboard, but I can imagine it's even more painful because dashing is very easy on keyboard.
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On September 22 2014 10:51 rebdomine wrote:
Anyone here tried out moving from playing on keyboard to using an arcade stick?
Currently in the middle of a rough transition and right now my biggest problem is just walking around, jumping in the right direction and dashing. Doing specials feels natural (charge or motion), and I didn't have problems with them right off the bat, but I'm having trouble just dashing
Anyone got advice? Right now I just try to spend at least an hour of my free time each day (I aim for more on weekends) to just hopping into training mode and spending time just trying to move around like I want to.
How long did it take you to get used to playing on stick?
It took no longer than a week to stop jumping by mistake and a bit longer for dashing by a month or so. But then again I am able to and did play much longer than 1 hour per day. Just give it time and you'll nail it. The only advice I can give you is to try holding the stick as Daigo does it, it feels unnatural at first but imo I get more controlled movements doing it that way.
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On September 22 2014 10:51 rebdomine wrote:
Anyone here tried out moving from playing on keyboard to using an arcade stick?
Currently in the middle of a rough transition and right now my biggest problem is just walking around, jumping in the right direction and dashing. Doing specials feels natural (charge or motion), and I didn't have problems with them right off the bat, but I'm having trouble just dashing
Anyone got advice? Right now I just try to spend at least an hour of my free time each day (I aim for more on weekends) to just hopping into training mode and spending time just trying to move around like I want to.
How long did it take you to get used to playing on stick?
It took me about a week to not do random things anymore. Dashing on command in a game took 2 maybe. I did end up practicing a lot of my combos and specials a lot more than dashing or normal movement too. Like everything just play when you can and you'll adjust soon.
Edit: And I would, if you haven't already adjusted to one grip already, try out a couple of different ones. The one I found was the natural one I use. If you're natural grip doesn't please you after a couple of weeks try another and stick with that too.
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Yeah I've settled on a wine glass grip with the shaft in between my middle and ring finger, I have my index and middle finger on the ball and my thumb on top. The first thing I struggled with was finding a good grip on the stick and I've found holding it between those 2 fingers most comfortable for me. (I feel like my hands are too big to have 3 fingers on the ball top)
I can control my motions fine except for dashing as I've stopped accidentally jumping when I try to move forward but I am still having trouble controlling the direction of my jump when I do want to do it (I end up doing a lot of neutral jumps when I mean to go forward or backward).
I probably usually spend around 2-3 hours after work on weekdays to put in time on just playing. The 1 hour I mentioned is purely training mode time where I can spend time by myself just practicing stuff. I'm a lot better with it than I was during the first day I got the stick.
It just feels kinda frustrating to feel like I've reset to pretty much knowing nothing about the game and it hurts losing when I know I can play much better playing on keyboard. Although last week I've been back to being able to do my ultra setups properly which is nice.
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anyone know where i can purchase a good arcade stick for pc (to play on steam)
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I have a friend who uses a Mad Catz TE PS3 stick, I use an HRAP V3-SA (also PS3 version) and those work fine on PC (nothing else to install, works right off the bat).
Just look into which PS3 stick you like and that will most likely work on PC.
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Let's just clarify that there's nothing wrong with 360 sticks for PC either, it has broader support in other games too. Just get whatever is the cheapest version of the stick you want.
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I've read people having trouble with 360 versions of some sticks to work on PC (like the Hori Fighting Edge from what I read).
It's best to get something that someone vouches for can work on PC. Qanba sticks explicitly state that they run on PC so that should be another brand you consider.
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On September 22 2014 10:51 rebdomine wrote:
Anyone here tried out moving from playing on keyboard to using an arcade stick?
Currently in the middle of a rough transition and right now my biggest problem is just walking around, jumping in the right direction and dashing. Doing specials feels natural (charge or motion), and I didn't have problems with them right off the bat, but I'm having trouble just dashing
Anyone got advice? Right now I just try to spend at least an hour of my free time each day (I aim for more on weekends) to just hopping into training mode and spending time just trying to move around like I want to.
How long did it take you to get used to playing on stick?
Guilty Gear was my first fighting game and I played it for 6 years on keyboard. Then I found a local FG community about 2 years ago and bought a Hori RAP Vx and started transitioning, while playing SF4.
I played SF4 because that was the main game of the majority of the locals. I advanced very slowly though, because I didn't really like it. I don't use a wineglass grip, I just grab the top of the stick.
Now I switched to KoF XIII and I feel that game really upped my execution of special and super moves. Probably because I like it more than SF4, which I never really played with total focus.
So just stick to your favorite game, and play it a lot (+ training mode).
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Playing with a stick feels like being a kid again, playing sf2. I can do all the moves well from left to right, but when I end up on the right side I'm handicapped. I used the Daigo grip from the beginning but Especially for dashing I have big problems pulling the stick straight to the left twice, I always jump, crouch or otherwise fail the dash.
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I'm so used to playing this game on a keyboard now that I don't think I'll ever buy a stick. For just one game it is not really worth the invest IMO. And as someone playing charge characters (Decapre and a bit of Chun), I imagine that the transition will be extra hard at this point.
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So apparently som guy over at r/kappa is taking the initiative to make a donation drive to get pepeday to The Fall Classic in October. Link
I hope they get in touch with him and he is interested in this. Looks like El Pepe will be living in the fast lane for awhile 
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On September 22 2014 15:31 rebdomine wrote:
I've read people having trouble with 360 versions of some sticks to work on PC (like the Hori Fighting Edge from what I read).
It's best to get something that someone vouches for can work on PC. Qanba sticks explicitly state that they run on PC so that should be another brand you consider.
I can vouch for the HRAP VX, and I'd guess it uses the same PCB as the HRAP VX-SA so probably that one as well. I'm currently running a PS360+ PCB which works great. I think that is also what Qanba use for their duo-modded sticks
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On September 22 2014 17:20 WindWolf wrote:
I'm so used to playing this game on a keyboard now that I don't think I'll ever buy a stick. For just one game it is not really worth the invest IMO. And as someone playing charge characters (Decapre and a bit of Chun), I imagine that the transition will be extra hard at this point.
It depends on how much one plays said game. I stand by that my already 320 hours into SF4 was worth the stick, and I intend to make it 640 hours and beyond. At some point it becomes an investment that per hour is incredibly cheap. This is assuming the person actually wants to play on a stick though, some doesn't like it even if they try it.
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I'd also add that, as someone that is newer to fighting games in general (3-4 years tops), having a stick isn't the end-all-be-all. I've played SF4 EXCLUSIVELY on a stick for over two years, but that's because I genuinely wanted to. There are lots of newer players across various games that are serious threats using controllers, and although they're uncommon, Hitboxes are out there and would basically be the same as a keyboard. In fact, many players say that if you CAN learn to use a Hitbox (/keyboard) there's a handful of advantages over stick actually.
Pick up a stick if you seriously would like to give it a shot and think it'll enhance your experience (whether that be purely for fun, or improve your play somehow), but I think the old age of "stick is the best period" is dying off. In my opinion!
A major disadvantage to keyboard though is not being able to take it elsewhere as easily or having it work with other hardware (consoles), etc etc.
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I think the "stick is best" mentality stems from pure elitism. The old guard have always played on arcadesticks because that's what was there on the arcade machines. You didn't sit at home playing SF2 on your SNES, you went to the arcade. New-age players who are able to get fighting games on almost any platform and play somewhat seriously from home are inclined to use whatever controller their console offers, namely pads. Veterans of the FGC step in and encourage them to get arcadesticks because that's how you've always played Street Fighter.
When I first started following the FGC I couldn't believe how much negativity there was towards pads and padplayers. Luckily we have many highlevel pros who use pads and have proven that it really doesn't matter what you play on, if you're good you're good no matter what controller you are using. Same goes for holding your stick or pad a certain way or anything related to that. Brolylegs uses his damn tongue to play a highlevel Chun-Li, if that doesn't break myths I don't know what does.
I played on a pad when I started then later got a stick. I got one because it looked really fun to play on a stick and I had enough money to not starve even if I got one. I'd be lying if I said that the FGC didn't have anything to do with it, because it did. The idea wouldn't have struck me if not for the majority of players I watched using one.
tl;dr: Use whatever controller you feel most comfortable with. None of them have any serious advantages/disadvantages, anyone trying to tell you otherwise is just ignorant.
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I don't think it's fair to assume there's no differences because of the success of a few pad warriors. I doubt anyone is saying it's impossible to get good with a pad, obviously it's not.
The advantage doesn't even have to be in that the best stick fighter will always beat the best pad warrior it could be the fact that it's easier and quicker to become good with one option. I'm not saying there is an advantage, I'm new to the scene and I wouldn't know all I'm saying is that a few shining examples of the opposite doesn't mean anything.
Let me show an example, my friend is who got me into SF4. He always played on a pad, I've always enjoyed watching EVO and at the time I thought damnit if I'm gonna take it seriously I'm going to buy a stick since it seems the best. Eventually I reach my friends level, he has a complaint though and it's that he think it's very hard to dash with a thumbstick so I let him try mine and in a short time he was dashing like a pro.
Another would be that it's very hard to learn how to do 720 motions for grapplers on a keyboard, a keyboard fighter will learn eventually but if he had tried doing it on a stick he would probably nail it in a day at the most.
What you say is the most important though, play with what you're comfortable with and eventually if you work hard enough you'll reach the top even if it might take longer for one over the other or any perceived imbalance between the two.
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On September 23 2014 04:09 Firkraag8 wrote:
I don't think it's fair to assume there's no differences because of the success of a few pad warriors. I doubt anyone is saying it's impossible to get good with a pad, obviously it's not.
The advantage doesn't even have to be in that the best stick fighter will always beat the best pad warrior it could be the fact that it's easier and quicker to become good with one option. I'm not saying there is an advantage, I'm new to the scene and I wouldn't know all I'm saying is that a few shining examples of the opposite doesn't mean anything.
Let me show an example, my friend is who got me into SF4. He always played on a pad, I've always enjoyed watching EVO and at the time I thought damnit if I'm gonna take it seriously I'm going to buy a stick since it seems the best. Eventually I reach my friends level, he has a complaint though and it's that he think it's very hard to dash with a thumbstick so I let him try mine and in a short time he was dashing like a pro.
Another would be that it's very hard to learn how to do 720 motions for grapplers on a keyboard, a keyboard fighter will learn eventually but if he had tried doing it on a stick he would probably nail it in a day at the most.
What you say is the most important though, play with what you're comfortable with and eventually if you work hard enough you'll reach the top even if it might take longer for one over the other or any perceived imbalance between the two.
Oh I agree for sure actually! I think it's much easier to learn on a stick. Mostly with regards to street fighter, since the 6 button aspect is awkward on pad usually and can VERY easily lead to bad habits where you neglect the unintuitive shoulder buttons (and hence two of your six inputs). I just don't think there are any limitations to pad/keyboard, and anyone serious enough to learn how to play correctly won't be disadvantaged. Just a different learning curve.
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