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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
December 09 2013 22:32 GMT
#7541
I use a PS3 controller which is pretty easy on the thumb. If you're having difficulties, remember that you don't have to press THAT hard. You can also try not pressing with the tip of your thumb but closer to where the thumb bends, it doesn't hurt as much and personally I find it easier to make inputs with the thumb like that as well.

You don't need a stick to be competitive, it just comes down to preference. I'm guessing most of the pros use sticks because it all started on arcade machines and it has just become the standard. I guess triple punch/kick can be difficult to hit every time on a pad, but that's what the macro buttons are for.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#7542
well, keyboard is pretty good actually (better than the xbox pad). The problem with it that tournaments mostly run on consoles, so it won't work there.
And all is illuminated.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
December 09 2013 22:42 GMT
#7543
Thanks for all the help, this thread is so cool! I'm not looking to play any tourneys any time soon so keyboard it is.
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 22:47:41
December 09 2013 22:45 GMT
#7544
One other issue that may arise playing on keyboard is whether or not your keyboard has n-key rollover. If it doesn't, it might have a maximum number of keystrokes it can send at once which can screw up some key combinations.

If you do get used to/like the keyboard and end up wanting to play at locals/tourneys with something similar, check out a Hitbox. You can also construct your own if you wanted.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
December 09 2013 22:53 GMT
#7545
I'm using a Steelseries 6gv2 mechanical keyboard which has n-key rollover in PS/2 mode, which is what I'm using, as opposed to USB!

Also thanks for the Hitbox tip, they look really cool! :p Will keep it in mind for later!
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 09 2013 22:57 GMT
#7546
On December 10 2013 07:24 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 06:31 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Okay I made some progress. Looked at a couple characters today, then actually liked Ryu the most for now. Went on to play a couple multiplayer matches and first one was against a 5.5k BP and 2k PP (whatever that means, the number next to the lower trophy icon said 512) - I'm a total noob (0 anything, haven't won a game yet) but it seems he was pretty damn good. Great matchmaking system, really. Then got some annoying dude that had the rounds set to 1 a couple times. Then gave up.

I'm really mostly struggling with the god awful X-Box 360 controls. The D-Pad is making my thumb hurt after an hour or two of play and even just the quartercircles for Ryu are highly unreliable... Any tips? I also tried the analog stick, maybe that's better? It doesn't feel as direct, though it makes the circles much easier of course. I'd like to get into the game more but I can't afford to buy a freaking fightstick just in case I actually do get sucked into it more. Maybe I should give my PC keyboard another try, even though I know that's highly unstandard... I know I played quite a bit of SF2 on an SNES emulator with keyboard and I could do quartercircles just fine on the keyboard (and the uppercut Z shapes as well).


Seems like you're using Quick Match? You shouldn't since you can end up with weird 1 round 60 time games. You can host but you can get a lot of good players joining. Or you can search for games and set the search criteria to 3 rounds, 99 second and same skill.

I dunno about keyboard/pad since I have a stick from the beginning, but I read that binding space to up on keyboard is a good idea.

As Kentor mentions here, DON'T use quick match!! Go to Ranked -> Custom Match and set it to 3 rounds, 99 seconds. Then you can also set region to same, and play with the skill setting too.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
December 09 2013 22:59 GMT
#7547
Ah makes sense. I had no idea!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 23:56:42
December 09 2013 23:32 GMT
#7548
Dang. I just wanted to play a bit of endless tonight and got rocked 1-13 against a Cody player.
Shit's hurt. t_t

IU need to play against good players more often, I'm getting soft
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
December 10 2013 00:00 GMT
#7549
This is probably a terribly noob question, but on steam I can only find Street Fighter IV for 19.99e released on 7 Jul 2009, and I'm worried about spending money on it if it's not arcade edition, am I missing something here?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
December 10 2013 00:06 GMT
#7550
On December 10 2013 09:00 Tilorn91 wrote:
This is probably a terribly noob question, but on steam I can only find Street Fighter IV for 19.99e released on 7 Jul 2009, and I'm worried about spending money on it if it's not arcade edition, am I missing something here?


Don't buy that, it's vanilla. Search for Arcade Edition and you'll find the version you want.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4008 Posts
December 10 2013 00:13 GMT
#7551
On December 10 2013 09:00 Tilorn91 wrote:
This is probably a terribly noob question, but on steam I can only find Street Fighter IV for 19.99e released on 7 Jul 2009, and I'm worried about spending money on it if it's not arcade edition, am I missing something here?

It's there, Arcade Edition, released on 8 jul 2011. 19.99 euro atm. Too bad there's no sale coming up, I think it was on sale once for about 8 bucks, last summer.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 10 2013 04:10 GMT
#7552
On December 10 2013 09:13 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 09:00 Tilorn91 wrote:
This is probably a terribly noob question, but on steam I can only find Street Fighter IV for 19.99e released on 7 Jul 2009, and I'm worried about spending money on it if it's not arcade edition, am I missing something here?

It's there, Arcade Edition, released on 8 jul 2011. 19.99 euro atm. Too bad there's no sale coming up, I think it was on sale once for about 8 bucks, last summer.


Was also in the Fall Sale a couple weeks ago.

Also...there's Christmas coming up...and it'll most definitely be in there.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
December 10 2013 07:41 GMT
#7553
Just googled what's going on, apparently since my region is not supported by gfwl the game is not available on steam for me. Guess I'll just have to get the retail version for twice the money.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
December 10 2013 08:10 GMT
#7554
Or you can wait for Ultra edition, which will ditch gfwl!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
December 10 2013 13:42 GMT
#7555
Keyboard works really well for me, definitely a lot better than X-Box 360 pad. I can now pull off all of Ryu's moves pretty reliably, which is great. I still haven't won a single multiplayer match though. I'm now doing Custom Games and I set it to same skill but I'm still being matched up against C+s an better even though I am D with 0 wins out of 25 matches... That's unbelievably frustrating. I guess I need more practice in singleplayer before I can even play online.

Also, as a Ryu player... WTF is Evil Ryu? He seems to be straight up better than me in every way haha.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4008 Posts
December 10 2013 14:18 GMT
#7556
On December 10 2013 22:42 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Keyboard works really well for me, definitely a lot better than X-Box 360 pad. I can now pull off all of Ryu's moves pretty reliably, which is great. I still haven't won a single multiplayer match though. I'm now doing Custom Games and I set it to same skill but I'm still being matched up against C+s an better even though I am D with 0 wins out of 25 matches... That's unbelievably frustrating. I guess I need more practice in singleplayer before I can even play online.

Also, as a Ryu player... WTF is Evil Ryu? He seems to be straight up better than me in every way haha.


The amount of new players just isn't that big, so it's not very strange you lose everything in the beginning (unless you'd play me ). Just don't let it get to you! It's the same when you compare Diamond League now to when it first started.

E.Ryu isn't better than Ryu, I'd even say he's slightly worse. He's different and more difficult to start with though.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
December 10 2013 14:22 GMT
#7557
Haha thanks for the 'chin up' advice!

Well, I've just been confused about E. Ryus flame hadouken that seems to be just like me EX hadouken in the sense that it travels through opponent projectiles but it doesn't cost EX. That's been really annoying me at range because it leaves me optionless. If I shoot hadoukens, he counters with his better free flame hadoukens. If I do the spin move (quartercircle away and kick), he straight up breaks me out of it (I think this move is really dangerous and, well, bad in the non-EX version, am I right? Does it have much of a use?) and if I try to get to him via air he shoryukens me of course!

Please note that I'm really bad at the game so there's probably thousands of things I could be doing or should be doing that I'm just not capable of!
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands4008 Posts
December 10 2013 14:39 GMT
#7558
Doing straight up Tatsu's (quarter circle back+K) often isn't a good idea. You can combo into them, and maybe if the opponent is only throwing fireballs, try to predict the next one. But your match-up should consist of too many special moves, focus more on the normal moves and combos first. It's scary, but try and walk up to him a bit and see if he does a normal move (such as sweep), and quickly block and try to counter those with a normal move of your own. Gaining ground is important in this game, many beginning players will often only just use jump to get forward. When you're close to him, you can try to do: down+medium kick, then fireball. It will combo, and isn't much harder to do then just doing a fireball because the stick movement is the same, you just add the kick button. Also, the startup time is much shorter (5 vs 13 frames).
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
December 10 2013 14:43 GMT
#7559
On December 10 2013 22:42 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Keyboard works really well for me, definitely a lot better than X-Box 360 pad. I can now pull off all of Ryu's moves pretty reliably, which is great. I still haven't won a single multiplayer match though. I'm now doing Custom Games and I set it to same skill but I'm still being matched up against C+s an better even though I am D with 0 wins out of 25 matches... That's unbelievably frustrating. I guess I need more practice in singleplayer before I can even play online.

Also, as a Ryu player... WTF is Evil Ryu? He seems to be straight up better than me in every way haha.

The matchmaking on PC isn't the best, it's something that you have to live with.

On December 10 2013 23:22 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Well, I've just been confused about E. Ryus flame hadouken that seems to be just like me EX hadouken in the sense that it travels through opponent projectiles but it doesn't cost EX. That's been really annoying me at range because it leaves me optionless. If I shoot hadoukens, he counters with his better free flame hadoukens. If I do the spin move (quartercircle away and kick), he straight up breaks me out of it (I think this move is really dangerous and, well, bad in the non-EX version, am I right? Does it have much of a use?) and if I try to get to him via air he shoryukens me of course!

If you are talking about Evil Ryu's Shakunetsu Hadoken, (half-circle back + punch), light version hits once, medium version hits twice, heavy and ex trice. This means that, for example, a heavy red fireball can nullify another single-hit fireball (like a normal hadoken) and still continue traveling among them map. (Unless I'm completely mistaken)

However, the attack has longer start-up and recovery compared to a normal Hadoken, meaning that there is some risk with throwing them out there.
EZ4ENCE
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-10 16:09:29
December 10 2013 16:06 GMT
#7560
Thanks you two! Will be trying again later tonight after I practice my crossovers (I've been trying this in games without practice before and it's already done wonders, looks like medium kick is the way to go for it with Ryu?) and getting even more consistent with all my special attacks. Once again, I have to say this is an amazing thread, everybody is so nice and helpful around here, thank you so much! ♥

EDIT: Also, I'm thinking of ditching the fierce punch and roundhouse kick buttons completely and instead binding the all-attack macros to those. I've noticed that I often want to execute an EX move and accidentally hit the heavy attack button instead of the macro on my keyboard. I mean, the macros act just like the heavy attacks anyways. And if I have EX and for strategical reasons still want to do a non-EX move that can be EXed, I can still just use the light or medium attack button. Does that make sense? Or am I overseeing something?
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