Ultra Street Fighter IV - Page 314

On July 06 2013 22:15 WindWolf wrote:
In other news, the Swedish Viper-player Chewiie is also coming over to EVO.

Make me really happy as a Swede

On July 07 2013 14:26 WindWolf wrote:

http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssf4_c16.html

Here's his pool. Tougher or easier route than Popi?

On July 07 2013 21:44 YulyaVolkova wrote:

Anyway gone on too long, hopefully someone can give me some advice that hasn't already been said in matchup threads for X vs Bison because ive read them for most characters and nothing has really made this twig for me.

On July 08 2013 12:55 rapidash88 wrote:
To echo someone else on the thread, its too bad I will probably quit SF4 soon thanks to the awful match making system.

On July 07 2013 21:44 YulyaVolkova wrote:
I need halp :o(. Hopefully someone like Fakesteve can offer some words of wisdom, but to be honest almost anyone remotely competent can probably help me in this matter with their own experience.

I seem to have an uber mental roadblock. Can't beat Bison (Dictator). Played the game for about 2 years now, feel like im alright, can beat some pretty reasonable players and hold my own/go even in long sets vs 5k+pp guys that quite clearly know what they're doing. All this goes to shit once I play against a few characters, but none more so than Bison.

My winrates vs Bisons compared to their skill level are a weird sin graph where I beat really really scrubby Bisons, lose horribly vs Bisons that know a bit more, are still fairly shite, but just kinda do shit, then actually do okay (even maybe) vs fairly highly ranked Bisons (15kbp+) that play patiently/carefully, but lose horribly to some too, depending on the Bison.

So my main problem is this weird kinda middle ground where im playing a Bison that knows what buttons to press, knows not to do one thing too much and generally just wants to DO STUFF, but theyre quite clearly nowhere near as technical/smart as an actually good Bison.

I just don't really get the matchup at all, and by matchup I mean almost anyone vs Bison. Ive played Viper, ERyu, Ryu, Balrog, Akuma, Sakura, Seth, Cammy and Gouken to an okay level and I feel uncomfortable vs Bison with everyone but Cammy, who I feel fairly indifferent against him with. Im by no means an expert with any of these characters so if one of these matchups is decently favourable for the character I play because of some specific mechanic I may not using correctly, fair enough, im more looking for general stuff that I can apply to almost any char vs Bison.

Without hopefully sounding too emo, it basically just feels like Bison can press whatever the fuck he wants and the only time I get to press anything is if I read correctly the specific option hes going to choose to do. To give an example - headstomp. This is really, really fucking good. BUT I can punish it reasonably heavily with forward dash on reaction to make it whiff->punish. I cannot do this however unless im literally sitting there (or wobbling about) specifically watching for headstomp. If im concentrating on any other aspect of the game at all, and he headstomps - boom, free (significant) chip and if I threw a fireball or something, decent damage. Another example, say he is somehow close to me, made me block a few shorts, stopped, and now we're kinda in a nobody has frame advantage type situation. As far as I can tell, him light scissoring there beats absolutely fucking everything I can do other than block or 1)neutral/back jump depending on distance where I land on his head, or 2)random mashed uppercut which obviously isnt viable. If I block, its unpunishable, and we continue to be in a situation where hes the same distance away from me and can just scissor again, or not, or do things that punish neutral jumps etc.

However, if I do say 'hes going to headstomp, I can feel it', and watch for it, do nothing, then react do my punish, I get really good damage. If he scissors, I take chip, im in the same situation again, NOW is he gonna headstomp? Another random scissors that I can't do anything about because I didn't specifically pre-emptive neutral jump, which would have lost to headstomp which is what I was reading. He dash attempts a throw, but I tech. The attempt was free though, because me attempting to press random normals to interrupt this kinda dash throw attempt is insane considering he can just scissors again and beat all of them with very little risk.

I manage to find a spot to backdash away, woo! He follows me and starts to spam stand roundhouse slightly outside of regular footsie range. This beats like everything ive ever pressed and seems fast enough to be almost impossible to focus crumple, sick. Better back the fuck away. Whoa wait shit I landed a sweep.

Omfg, pressure. Do setup, guess wrong OS, take damage and hes out. Alternatively, he doesn't wake up with anything (what random midlevel Bison does this), I do some random blockstring. Can't throw him, because mashed Bison jab+shorts are ludicrously good at stopping throws. Can't really frametrap either unless youre uber precise with your frametraps and he happens to press a short in the frame you want instead of a couple of frames later. But, you go for a frametrap anyway, because how the fuck else are you gonna get damage. He EX Psychos, which the vast majority of chars can't punish in any meaningful way when its done point blank. Hes out again. Sadface.

Turned into a bit of a story! Hopefully entertaining.

I know theres lots of things I do badly, like for example one thing ive picked up on and tried to improve over the last 6 months or so is my recognising the exact moments he does and does not have charge. Eg. before I wouldn't even consider the fact that he can't do his specials if hes wobbling about a bit outside footsie range looking for stand roundhouses - now I do and it helps, but doesn't stop the fact that stand roundhouse beats everything I try anyway :o(.

Anyway gone on too long, hopefully someone can give me some advice that hasn't already been said in matchup threads for X vs Bison because ive read them for most characters and nothing has really made this twig for me.

<3

On July 08 2013 13:08 WindWolf wrote:

Couldn't agree more on this. The matchmaking in this game isn't very good at times, and I lose more than I win online (according to the game I have a 23.49% GFWL win-rate), but most important of all, I'm still having fun while I play the game. So try to have fun while you play.

I'm maining Juri, and the MU against Ken isn't my best, but Juri - Ken is probably one of the most fun things I can play

On July 08 2013 13:58 rwrzr wrote:


I gave it a brief read over. I believe the problem you have is you give bison players too much respect.

Try picking up bison for a week and do some googling, sit in the lab, and go online see how it feels to be on the other side.

Play bison and just show some disrespect against people and see how they react. Also in your games after you do some research just disrespect m.bison.

P.S. Add some bisons on friends list and just see if they will run endless with you.

ALSO STEVE WHERE ARE YOU??!

On July 08 2013 14:19 AnomalySC2 wrote:


About that....whats stopping someone from cheating like crazy on the pc versions of fighting games. I imagine its not all that hard to macro lengthy combos or some of the trickier fadc moves.

On July 08 2013 14:19 AnomalySC2 wrote:


About that....whats stopping someone from cheating like crazy on the pc versions of fighting games. I imagine its not all that hard to macro lengthy combos or some of the trickier fadc moves.

On July 08 2013 20:34 WindWolf wrote:

Can you be a bit more precise with what you mean?

The game is providing you an option to bind certain keys for grab and focus (and taunt), so that wouldn't count as cheating IMO. Do you mean stuff like "shortcuts" for chargers?

Raging Demon shortcuts should also be doable with a stick or pad

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Dreamhack is not only sending Popi to Evo, they are giving him a whole site as well

http://gopopi.dreamhack.se/

On July 09 2013 00:36 WindWolf wrote:
Yeah, and using Stick doesn't necessarily mean you are a better play than others. For example, I know that the Swedish players Ixion and Freenoob (which DH of some reason called Freedom during DH:Summer) uses hand controllers and are still among the top in Sweden (plus, Ixion uses Dan).

On July 09 2013 01:05 Duka08 wrote:

I don't think many people would imply that during "this day and age". There aren't many of them, but the pad players at the top can definitely compete. I don't think it's as large of a difference really.