EPTA freaking Ken. Arguably the worse shoto in the game bar Dan.
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
A freaking Ken. Arguably the worse shoto in the game bar Dan. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
http://tv.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/noje/spela/e-sport/article12900.ab (46 minutes in) (Swedish commentary) Try to see enjoy the series as a whole, there are at times bad plays from both sides. (Zelpher (Chun-Li) is coming from the loser's bracket, and he need to win two Bo5s, while Chewiie(Viper) needs to win one) _____ Also shows why I don't like tier-lists 1) The human factor will always affect the outcome the most in one shape or the other 2) No sport or e-sport in this world is decided on paper | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
You know Seth has a ton of bad matchups? He's still top tier because he's got so many tools, but the point is matchups and tier lists aren't the be all and end all, because most characters have the tools you need to fuck people up. Just because its easier or less work with the top 5 doesn't mean other characters can't do it, which is what the term 'viable' means. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:01 Excalibur_Z wrote: I still don't buy that Infiltration is a Hakan specialist. He "plays" Hakan but he doesn't actually use a lot of the tech that makes him powerful. I've seen some of his setups and combos and he's barely scratching the surface. Where is his backdash normal canceling to beat meaty setups, for example? I knew someone would say something to this effect haha Infiltration picks Hakan to counter certain matchups or to prey on his opponent's unfamiliarity. I just couldn't think of a Hakan main off the top of my head, and it felt stupid to not write a name there  edit: WindWolf, yeah man. On paper, Viper FUCKS Chun-li right up. But I never met a piece of paper that could beat me in a fighting game | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Haitani has been spotted playing Makoto again for the Godsgarden Outer Gate. I say a bit because he has been bodied pretty hard on both his Makoto and his Rufus actually. There's some VODs on french commentator Ken Bogard's channel if anyone want a look. /user/Puyo432343 on youtube. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3994 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:03 WindWolf wrote: _____ Also shows why I don't like tier-lists 1) The human factor will always affect the outcome the most in one shape or the other 2) No sport or e-sport in this world is decided on paper I think both arguments aren't really valid: 1) Tier lists are exactly there to provide you with a character comparison without the human skill level i.e. comparing players of 'equal' skill level using different characters. In one match between 2 particular players, this may not mean much, but it's an average and therefore very valuable. 2) Tier lists won't give you a winner, they'll give you a winning chance. If a matchup is 6 - 4, player B will still win 4 out of 10 games (and you only need 2 to advance). These are character matchup odds. Now multiply matchup odds with player skill and you can start as a bookmaker. They (generally ) don't know the outcome of a match either, but try to figure out the chances for each side to win. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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rapidash88
United States194 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:23 Cel.erity wrote: I don't understand how people can "dislike" tier lists. They're just information, how can you dislike information? You can interpret them however you want, and you can dislike someone's interpretation or assessment, but not the concept itself. Because I keep seeing results going against that information. For example, the grand finals of the Swedish E-Sport Championships (8-player tournament) had 2 Chun-Li's (if you count Skatan as a Chun-Li player), 1 Dan and 1 El Fuerte. Even Ixion (Dan player) brought up a good point: "The reason why I lost the last time might very well be because I lost to a good Fei-Long" (Something like that) Context: He had just won a qualifier in the Swedish E-Sports Championships, after loosing the previous one to a Fei-Long player | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On June 25 2013 12:49 WindWolf wrote: Because I keep seeing results going against that information. For example, the grand finals of the Swedish E-Sport Championships (8-player tournament) had 2 Chun-Li's (if you count Skatan as a Chun-Li player), 1 Dan and 1 El Fuerte. Even Ixion (Dan player) brought up a good point: "The reason why I lost the last time might very well be because I lost to a good Fei-Long" (Something like that) Context: He had just won a qualifier in the Swedish E-Sports Championships, after loosing the previous one to a Fei-Long player Results of Swedish tournaments are much less meaningful than results in the US or Japan. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
On June 22 2013 08:27 Excalibur_Z wrote: And I just want to say that if this is the real Snake Eyez that Fakesteve is no longer the best player on TL. I actually picked my name from playing his zangief in hd remix. I am not him though just have his name. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:09 snakeeyez wrote: I actually picked my name from playing his zangief in hd remix. I am not him though just have his name. Fraud detected. | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
On June 25 2013 10:23 Cel.erity wrote: I don't understand how people can "dislike" tier lists. They're just information, how can you dislike information? You can interpret them however you want, and you can dislike someone's interpretation or assessment, but not the concept itself. Couldn't agree with this more. Tier lists also work under the assumption of two players with equal skill, its more likely that the one using the better character (or has the better matchup) would win. Of course all that takes a back seat when two people are actually playing because no one is really "of equal skill," and other factors like execution, clutch etc. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:31 myrmidon2537 wrote: Couldn't agree with this more. Tier lists also work under the assumption of two players with equal skill, its more likely that the one using the better character (or has the better matchup) would win. Of course all that takes a back seat when two people are actually playing because no one is really "of equal skill," and other factors like execution, clutch etc. I tend to agree with the not-a-perfect-world view on tier lists, I like match-up listings a bit better because anything greater than a 6-4 matchup definitely tells you something after a game is old enough. FOR EXAMPLE: Honda in SSF4 had a lot of lopsided matchups against 'low tier' or unpopular characters. This pushed up his ranking, but he faired only moderately against a lot of the popular picks. To be honest I think the whole tier list thing is polarizing and doesn't focus enough on how dan is the best character in the game. | ||
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Aando
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
You can also watch some high-level match videos or replays online through the replay browser to get a feel for how each character should be played. Ibuki's core strategy is to score a hard knockdown then mix you up with ambiguous kunais. Guile wants to keep you out with his fast-recovery projectile and far-reaching normals. Yun wants to get in there and rush you down with his divekicks and lunge punches. | ||
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a3den
704 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:36 rwrzr wrote: I tend to agree with the not-a-perfect-world view on tier lists, I like match-up listings a bit better because anything greater than a 6-4 matchup definitely tells you something after a game is old enough. FOR EXAMPLE: Honda in SSF4 had a lot of lopsided matchups against 'low tier' or unpopular characters. This pushed up his ranking, but he faired only moderately against a lot of the popular picks. To be honest I think the whole tier list thing is polarizing and doesn't focus enough on how dan is the best character in the game. I wholeheartedly agree that EH dominates characters that are worse than him but loses badly to better chars. He's so much bullshit in this game (the "this jump in breaks this antiair" thing he's got going on is terrible).Among the classic SF2 cast, he is definitively the character archetype that needs to disappear in the next SF games (unpopular opinion ftw) | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:41 Cel.erity wrote: Heh, it wasn't meant to be a tier list at all, and I added a touch of Chun because iirc, she was a good counter-pick. Apparently, Uryo did use her vs Cammy to win Godsgarden Outer Gate.You put Seth and Sakura together with Chun-Li in your tier assessment. I don't think this post can be taken seriously. On June 25 2013 04:03 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: I agree. If you look at team games and other "non-top" events, a lot of the cast is being used.This game is incredibly well balanced for such a huge roster, that's my point. The top 5 or so are definitely a leg up, but almost every character has the tools necessary to win, and almost no character has so many bad matchups that they are prohibitive to winning. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
and she can totally anti-air him :D just hard to approach that asshole | ||
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