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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 30 2012 23:36 GMT
#5081
well, my only local SF playing friends play on PS3, which I don't have. So I need some sort of control with cross-compatibility, and I hate playing it on the pad I've got.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
December 01 2012 00:07 GMT
#5082
On December 01 2012 08:36 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
well, my only local SF playing friends play on PS3, which I don't have. So I need some sort of control with cross-compatibility, and I hate playing it on the pad I've got.


Depending on how committed you are to the game, you can buy a 360 stick and dual-mod it to work with a PS3 as well, that way you can play on all three platforms. Note that getting a PS3 stick and dual-modding it the other direction is considerably more difficult because Microsoft executes validation checks on peripherals that try to access the 360, which is why you need the 360 controller's PCB.
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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
December 01 2012 00:23 GMT
#5083
lol. PR Rog on that IPL stream talking about who he thinks the top characters in sf4 are... Seth, Cammy, Akuma, Ibuki, Viper, Sakura. balrog bias showing just a tiny bit lmao, all knockdown vortex characters are top tier.
YulyaVolkova
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom95 Posts
December 01 2012 00:36 GMT
#5084
Every top tier list by any well known player in the last few months has had all of those characters on it :o). I guess Sakura maybe not so much.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
December 01 2012 00:39 GMT
#5085
I wouldn't say Ibuki belongs on that list either. Ibuki and Sakura are both really strong but not S-level Seth/Akuma/Cammy/Viper strong.
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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 00:45:16
December 01 2012 00:42 GMT
#5086
It's basically a list of especially annoying balrog matchups + cammy for validity

I actually really agree with infiltrations opinions on the top ten or so characters. I think it was something like: Cammy, Akuma, Seth, Fei, Adon, Viper, Sagat, Yun, Ibuki, Rufus, although not necessarily in that order.
YulyaVolkova
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom95 Posts
December 01 2012 01:17 GMT
#5087
Why are vortex chars hard for Balrog btw? Doesnt he semi-get out for free/for a bar alot of the time? Im guessing it can be option selected against but the rest of his game feels like it would do fairly well vs an Ibuki/Viper/Cammy, wheres the catch?My Balrog knowledge is pretty lacking.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:14:21
December 01 2012 03:13 GMT
#5088
He does well against cammy (cammy doesn't have as strong of a vortex and balrog can beat her normals), but his wakeup options are actually relatively poor. Heabut is really slow startup (8 frame for jab, 11 for ex if I remember right) which compared to 3 frame DPs makes it hella easy to safejump and OS against.

Akuma with U2 can knockdown balrog and do demonflip palm OS u2 and beat every single one of balrog's wakeup options except block cleanly. This includes every EX, backdash, turn punch, focus, etc.

Viper used to lose to balrog, but in AE they nerfed his air normals and made headbutt significantly slower so setups that ex headbutt used to escape now get punished (if you timed it right, you'd headbutt in the opposite direction of a crossup, leaving them too far away to punish in most cases).

Balrog wins almost every matchup in the game until he gets knocked down imo, but those characters have nasty ways of nullifying his wakeup options and mixing him up to death once he's on his back.

edit: for what it's worth, I still think balrog is relatively even against akuma. It's just frustrating as hell to play at times
YulyaVolkova
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom95 Posts
December 01 2012 03:41 GMT
#5089
Good info, thanks.

I was mostly wondering because im a Viper main and in the 'viper community' I dont think Balrog is considered a particularly good matchup. Usually rated up there with Bison as one of her most annoying as fuck matchups, although definitely not suggested to be anything other than 5-5 - its just kinda frustrating to play. Seismos vs Balrog are always risky as hell and getting into close/mid range is pretty much death unless you have a knockdown/are running very tight strong pressure with decent frame advantage, and even then hes fairly difficult to open up in most situations.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
December 01 2012 05:53 GMT
#5090
On December 01 2012 09:07 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 08:36 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
well, my only local SF playing friends play on PS3, which I don't have. So I need some sort of control with cross-compatibility, and I hate playing it on the pad I've got.


Depending on how committed you are to the game, you can buy a 360 stick and dual-mod it to work with a PS3 as well, that way you can play on all three platforms. Note that getting a PS3 stick and dual-modding it the other direction is considerably more difficult because Microsoft executes validation checks on peripherals that try to access the 360, which is why you need the 360 controller's PCB.


I bought a MadCatz TE stick for 360. Whether it works on PS3 I'm not sure; eventually I'll mod it if it doesn't. It'll do PC for SSF4 and 360 for UMvC3, though, which was my priority.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
December 01 2012 23:45 GMT
#5091
Guys...so my Soul Calibur Fight Stick Soul Edition came in the mail. YAY! Problem is, they sent the wrong one, it was an XBox rather than PS3. I was considering sending it back, but I cannot find the return policy so I am going to dual mod it. How hard, how risky, how much, and how much time is involved in dual modding fightsticks?
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
December 02 2012 00:03 GMT
#5092
First, Madcatz are pretty good about customer service if you got it through them/gameshark. It couldnt hurt to ask if you want to avoid the hassle.

For dualmodding, You'll need some basic electrical knowhow and it will probably take a while if you are being cautious. I wouldn't say its very risky as long as you follow instructions.
I would suggest looking at either the TEasy Strike or Kitty as they are solderless methods which attach onto your 360 pcb.

If you decide you can't do it, then there should be modders at most major tournaments depending on where you live, if not you could lookup your local scene and at least one person in it should have experience doing it.
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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
December 02 2012 00:24 GMT
#5093
Ah, well thanks for the advice. In the end though, I decided to give the fightstick as a birthday present to my heterosexual life mate ^___^ and I plan to use my paycheck to buy a QanBa Q4. And dear God were those buttons comfy...the last fightstick hurt my thumb when I hit it.
Censor
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
December 02 2012 00:44 GMT
#5094
On December 01 2012 09:23 Trumpet wrote:
lol. PR Rog on that IPL stream talking about who he thinks the top characters in sf4 are... Seth, Cammy, Akuma, Ibuki, Viper, Sakura. balrog bias showing just a tiny bit lmao, all knockdown vortex characters are top tier.

Balrog beats the shit out of Sakura and Ibuki, plus he does very well against Viper. Cammy is even, but Akuma and Seth is hard for Rog. So no, I see no bias whatsoever.
Fantasy | Hydra | Flash
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-02 01:26:30
December 02 2012 01:13 GMT
#5095
On December 02 2012 09:44 Censor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 09:23 Trumpet wrote:
lol. PR Rog on that IPL stream talking about who he thinks the top characters in sf4 are... Seth, Cammy, Akuma, Ibuki, Viper, Sakura. balrog bias showing just a tiny bit lmao, all knockdown vortex characters are top tier.

Balrog beats the shit out of Sakura and Ibuki, plus he does very well against Viper. Cammy is even, but Akuma and Seth is hard for Rog. So no, I see no bias whatsoever.


Let me rephrase that...

I don't see it as necessarily his bad matchups, just frustrating ones because they're the characters who "don't play street fighter" and can win off knockdowns whereas balrog is one of the strictly footsies characters that doesn't really have a lot of a mixups. Nearly every balrog player (or any footsie charge character) that I've met hates those characters, so I found it funny
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 02 2012 07:19 GMT
#5096
On December 02 2012 10:13 Trumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2012 09:44 Censor wrote:
On December 01 2012 09:23 Trumpet wrote:
lol. PR Rog on that IPL stream talking about who he thinks the top characters in sf4 are... Seth, Cammy, Akuma, Ibuki, Viper, Sakura. balrog bias showing just a tiny bit lmao, all knockdown vortex characters are top tier.

Balrog beats the shit out of Sakura and Ibuki, plus he does very well against Viper. Cammy is even, but Akuma and Seth is hard for Rog. So no, I see no bias whatsoever.


Let me rephrase that...

I don't see it as necessarily his bad matchups, just frustrating ones because they're the characters who "don't play street fighter" and can win off knockdowns whereas balrog is one of the strictly footsies characters that doesn't really have a lot of a mixups. Nearly every balrog player (or any footsie charge character) that I've met hates those characters, so I found it funny


I can't remember who said it, but someone else expressed a similar about C.Viper and Seth. They said that both play more like marvel (mvc) characters than SF ones.

That being said I'm not sure how I'll feel if everyone has to have a main and sub character to deal with problem matchups.

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Seri
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
England86 Posts
December 03 2012 00:09 GMT
#5097
Ryan hart got suspended. o0
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/dec/02/ryan-hart-suspended-indefinitely-western-wolves/
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 00:31:24
December 03 2012 00:29 GMT
#5098
This is the tweet in question, since he promptly removed it from his Twitter:

[image loading]

I don't even understand his anger really, MCZ has a million players; there would be no point sponsoring so many if you never sent teammates to the same major to face one another.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Censor
Profile Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
December 03 2012 00:52 GMT
#5099
On December 03 2012 09:29 Cel.erity wrote:
This is the tweet in question, since he promptly removed it from his Twitter:

[image loading]

I don't even understand his anger really, MCZ has a million players; there would be no point sponsoring so many if you never sent teammates to the same major to face one another.

There's two spots open in each qualifier. MCZ sent two of their Japanese players to the UK quals, but Ryan Hart didn't get sent to the Japanese one. It's one thing to get Mago some exposure and what not but you're deliberating hurting the chances of one of your other sponsored players qualifying at all... someone had to have thought that over before this decision was made and if they didn't... well if they didn't, lol.
Fantasy | Hydra | Flash
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 03 2012 01:09 GMT
#5100
On December 03 2012 09:52 Censor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 09:29 Cel.erity wrote:
This is the tweet in question, since he promptly removed it from his Twitter:

[image loading]

I don't even understand his anger really, MCZ has a million players; there would be no point sponsoring so many if you never sent teammates to the same major to face one another.

There's two spots open in each qualifier. MCZ sent two of their Japanese players to the UK quals, but Ryan Hart didn't get sent to the Japanese one. It's one thing to get Mago some exposure and what not but you're deliberating hurting the chances of one of your other sponsored players qualifying at all... someone had to have thought that over before this decision was made and if they didn't... well if they didn't, lol.

Two? Wasn't it just Mago?
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