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On August 05 2011 15:18 broz0rs wrote:To European posters, if you want a high level arcade stick without paying 200 eu for a Madcatz, I highly recommend a Hori V3/VX http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hori-Officially-Licensed-Real-Arcade/dp/B0041S9U8AIt's as durable as Madcatz with Sanwa stick and buttons, but I like it a lot more because it's considerably lighter and has a non-slick surface that feels nice. I saw a lot of players use it at EVO this year, most notably Justin Wong and Mike Ross.
i'm personally finally ordering my hori rap v3, they dont ship te's outside of america. can't wait to start playing on it.
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On August 05 2011 13:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:I have even less voice in the fighting game community than I do in the SC2 community. Somebody get on this train: ![[image loading]](http://i56.tinypic.com/2q3zpg7.png)
there isn't much demand for this to happen from the fighting game community as a whole
it'll be dependent on high profile players, casters, and streamers to change the fighting game community's opinion on MLG
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I honestly hope MLG never picks up a capcom game. Their track record of scheduling during other events is ridiculous, and I don't like the idea of non fighting game players being in charge of our tournaments.
On twitter people are unanimously requesting sf4, but it would be really odd to add sf4 as a main game and not mvc3 as well.
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I don't see whats wrong, They've scheduled their events on the same weekend as like, other SC events but they didn't run into any fighting game events, plus if it did, people will just go to whichever offers more prize money as a whole, so who cares.
I think absolutely they SHOULD pick up a capcom game but I just don't see cpacom letting that happen.
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On August 05 2011 16:57 Zlasher wrote:
I don't see whats wrong, They've scheduled their events on the same weekend as like, other SC events but they didn't run into any fighting game events, plus if it did, people will just go to whichever offers more prize money as a whole, so who cares.
I think absolutely they SHOULD pick up a capcom game but I just don't see cpacom letting that happen.
You serious man? The last MLG and EVO were the same weekend -_-
I don't like the idea of having non fighting game people in charge of anything either. We've been self-sufficient for forever (and yeah, I'm a fighting gamer. I don't even play Starcraft.) But the fact is we get better support for our big players via sponsors, and people in the FGC generally aren't loaded. During EVO, 4 out of Twitter's ten trending topics were fighting game players. Sponsors drool over that sort of stuff, and that happens through big, connected, sponsored tournaments... like MLG.
If it were up to me, they could have a grace period of 2 events, after which point they'd have to seriously have their shit together or we'd drop them. It took a while for them to get SC right too.
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That was ONE event scheduled on the same weekend out of potentially way more. You realize that these venues are booked almost a year in advanced, its not like MLG nor EVO purposely scheduled the events on the same weekend, relax
And considering that no other majors fell on the same weekend as MLG's thats pretty impressive given how many majors we had this year
You want to talk about self sufficient then why are the prize pools so damn small. This week Fillipinio Champ and Sabin have been talking about it on twitter about how prize pools are fucking terrible and top 3 payout it stupid for as many players as there are entering these tournaments.
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I brought it up in passing, reread your post, it sounded like you couldn't think of any times an MLG coincided with a fighting game major. It's kinda obligatory to be like, "uh, hello..." but I gotcha.
The main part of my post was talking about how to better support the top players, cause I know all the gripes, I've been there, I was a top smash player and the prizes are just as good there as in SF, and I was lucky if I could scrape out a couple hundred at a regional sometimes. We're self-sufficient in that we have the infrastructure and don't need help as far as that goes, and some people fail to see that without the cash flow behind it, it'll just collapse when the best players realize there's no money for them. I'm all for MLG adoption if they do it right.
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Isn't the next MLG the same weekend as Summer Jam? I was more concerned that they scheduled over the GSL finals.
The self sufficient point is important because I think our biggest asset as a community right now is how consistent our tournaments are. Final Round, NEC, Season's Beatings, NCR, MWC, etc have all been running long before the new SF4 boom, and will clearly continue even if we don't get big sponsorships. That gives players an avenue to make a name for themselves and for teams to get recognition, which is much more likely to give pro players a consistent salary than tournament prize payouts.
My other concern is their format. Every tournament runs almost identically right now with the simple, double elim format with no special advantages given to anyone. MLG's current format is a giant fucking mess, where players who seem to be seeded more by attendance than consistent results get these incredibly lenient pools that essentially start them several rounds ahead of the rest.
There are other minor things that I wonder how MLG would handle such as commentary and 2 man tournaments, but that can all be smoothed out a pretty easily, I'd think.
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Can someone explaine why it would be easy to add MK9 and Tekken but not SSF? I can't imagine the fanbase of MK9 and Tekken being bigger than SSF? Is there something else that has to be conscidered? And why a people so sceptical about this, the more tournies the better :>
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On August 05 2011 18:06 Copenap wrote:
Can someone explaine why it would be easy to add MK9 and Tekken but not SSF? I can't imagine the fanbase of MK9 and Tekken being bigger than SSF? Is there something else that has to be conscidered? And why a people so sceptical about this, the more tournies the better :>
It means that NRS and Namco and much more willing to be a part of MLG than Capcom, who is resistant. It'll take a lot of convincing to get Capcom's support, hence more work for Sundance. It has little or nothing to do with the fanbase of each game.
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That's a good point, I didn't actually think of the whole idea with seeding and bullshit pool plays and stuff, but in the past in their tekken tournaments thye never ran that format for fighting games, they just had big brackets and the players with the most points are just seeded away from each other in pools. Hopefully they stick to that process if thats the case.
As for commentary, I mean they got Seb Rhee from FADC and that other guy for Tekken, I wouldn't be surprised if they just grabbed someone that is knowledgeable enough to enter into commentary I don't think thats the biggest problem on earth.
And its been stated multiple times, Capcom and MLG have a bad relationship with each other, in the past it was rumored that they were VERY close to getting SSF4 on the circuit and last minute shit hit the fan and now Capcom and MLG are not the best of friends. Meanwhile Namco (for Tekken) has already workoed with MLG in the past so licensing the game wont' be hard, and Nether Realm has shown that they want to support the competitive scene for MK9, and already have had their game as a side thing at MLG Columbus previously.
Those games will be easy to get, but everyone knows Capcom games are THE games to grab, and if MLG can do it then props to them.
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Ah ok, I see. Well, I'd really like to see SSF at MLG, so I hope they can figure something out.
In the meantime I wanne brag that I've almost won two games in a row yesterday, yeah I suck (searching for all skill levels though).
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Let MLG do there Halo and Starcraft 2 and whatever other game Sony pays them to do. We don't need to be part of the sterilized you can't be yourself MLG program. After what happen to Aris at one of the MLG tournaments I say that its a waste of time to even do that shit.
We a re a way older crowd of gamers anyways the majority of the top players are already over 21 and don't give a fuck we built our scene ourselves and not some outsiders that have no clue what the fighting game community is all about anyways. NASL is a way better product than MLG anyways and I don't even play SC2 Multiplayer and I know that why you can tell that was done out of love for the game not the bottom line.
Plus MLG already tried to do a Capcom games before and it was a total failure. Also 3 years after the game comes ceartain Esports reporters still don't even know what a counterhit combo or even works is just pathetic.
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Your logic is just begging for the community to be closed. If you don't like the idea of bigger prize pools and a regular league going on, as well as more growth in terms of outsiders coming in and viewing the game then you are, as the cliche is lately, killing esports, but more importantly you're killing the god damn growth of the games.
If it doesn't suit you then thats fine, you don't have to go to MLG's but in order for the community to grow to the level of SC2 things need to happen and whining about "we're too OG for that corporate shit" or "reporters don't even undersatnd the finest intracicies of the game" then hold that and sit back.
Clearly you're not going to help whatsoever in terms of growing the game or the community but don't stop others from doing that.
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I'll never understand what people are afraid of. Let's say MLG picks up SSF4ae or MvC3 and make a really bad event (I'm not even sure how they would, given that they've done fighting games before and it's not like they're new to running tournaments). Ok, it was a bad tourny, players stop going, people don't watch, whatever.... then things go back to the way it was.
I know people want to see the community succeed on its own, but it's not demeaning or insulting to suddenly have more tournaments to play in, just because they weren't created by fighting game players.
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speaking of summer jam, imma be there. hope to see somebody(anybody) up there in philly ^^
i'm all for sponsorships for the long lasting top players. somebody who has been incredible as justin deserves this. needless to say, i just hope that if mlg does pick it up, they collision between community run majors and mlg events do not occur at the same weekend. no matter what the community (in this case community majors) is the driving force and should never be forgotten.
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On August 06 2011 00:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'll never understand what people are afraid of. Let's say MLG picks up SSF4ae or MvC3 and make a really bad event (I'm not even sure how they would, given that they've done fighting games before and it's not like they're new to running tournaments). Ok, it was a bad tourny, players stop going, people don't watch, whatever.... then things go back to the way it was.
I know people want to see the community succeed on its own, but it's not demeaning or insulting to suddenly have more tournaments to play in, just because they weren't created by fighting game players.
Exactly. I'm sick of people hearing the same argument "HEY WE'VE DONE THIS FOR 15 YEARS WE DON'T NEED MLG" yeah you don't need mlg but it doesn't hurt so stop trying to keep your game at the same level it was 10 years ago and let the fucker grow to the point that we have seen other games reach.
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I'm not sure if fighting games need MLG to become popular.
I don't think it would be a bad thing to have fighting games at MLG.
I think as long as the fighting game community continues to have Evo and all the events leading up to Evo each year its going to help continue to promote the growth as long as people like Col.CC. Mike Ross and Gooteks continue promoting fighting games in the main internet media. As long as groups like EG continue to sponsor players. The only direction for the fighting game community is to go up and get bigger.
There's already enough events for the fighting game community for it to stay in the spotlight and become more popular.
We have Evo, SBO, Devestation.
One thing I wish was that SBO got more popularity and instead of Arcadia Magazine simply doing a DVD for SBO each year if they actually livestreamed it. It would really help increase its knowledge and help the community more.
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On August 06 2011 00:30 Macroxx wrote:
Let MLG do there Halo and Starcraft 2 and whatever other game Sony pays them to do. We don't need to be part of the sterilized you can't be yourself MLG program. After what happen to Aris at one of the MLG tournaments I say that its a waste of time to even do that shit.
We a re a way older crowd of gamers anyways the majority of the top players are already over 21 and don't give a fuck we built our scene ourselves and not some outsiders that have no clue what the fighting game community is all about anyways. NASL is a way better product than MLG anyways and I don't even play SC2 Multiplayer and I know that why you can tell that was done out of love for the game not the bottom line.
Plus MLG already tried to do a Capcom games before and it was a total failure. Also 3 years after the game comes ceartain Esports reporters still don't even know what a counterhit combo or even works is just pathetic.
Instead of just coming here to shit on everything, why don't you enlighten everyone as to what exactly the fighting game community is all about and actually try to grow your scene. But if you are telling me that pro players don't want to win more money and get more exposure for their sponsors, I'm going to have to hear it from them, not some FGC elitist.
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