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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17756 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-08 13:09:59
July 08 2021 13:08 GMT
#801
On July 08 2021 00:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2021 22:10 Manit0u wrote:
I think with resurrected they could make 1 small adjustment that would make energy not a dump stat. Make staves, wands, orbs etc. require energy instead of other stats.

that would be a pretty huge gameplay change since most classes rely on a wand/staff for teleport/amplify dmg etc. as charges.
trying to get to act 5 hell without teleport as any class other than sorc makes me shudder


Heh, I got my hardcore summoner necro to lvl 86 act 5 hell without using teleport once Then I went AFK for 10 minutes when fighting Baal and that was the end of my hardcore career (I forgot he summons those tentacles from the ground).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
July 08 2021 14:33 GMT
#802
Sure it works without but the ability to stomp strong enemies with teleport is too powerful. Also good for skipping areas ofc.
-.-
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17756 Posts
July 08 2021 15:04 GMT
#803
I don't skip areas any more. Going for 100% map completion is more fun for me.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8871 Posts
July 08 2021 15:07 GMT
#804
On July 08 2021 22:08 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2021 00:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On July 07 2021 22:10 Manit0u wrote:
I think with resurrected they could make 1 small adjustment that would make energy not a dump stat. Make staves, wands, orbs etc. require energy instead of other stats.

that would be a pretty huge gameplay change since most classes rely on a wand/staff for teleport/amplify dmg etc. as charges.
trying to get to act 5 hell without teleport as any class other than sorc makes me shudder


Heh, I got my hardcore summoner necro to lvl 86 act 5 hell without using teleport once Then I went AFK for 10 minutes when fighting Baal and that was the end of my hardcore career (I forgot he summons those tentacles from the ground).

yeah well i like javazons and im not gonna try and walk past tainteds and beetles. fuck that
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
July 08 2021 21:44 GMT
#805
i go without teleport most of the time on non-sorcs HC fine!
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17756 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-08 23:17:08
July 08 2021 23:16 GMT
#806
Can't wait for resurrected... So many things to try out!

I might do something slower at the beginning to take in the views and enjoy it. Passivezon might be the way, slowly and steadily plowing through everything with 3 pikes
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-09 09:55:00
July 09 2021 00:46 GMT
#807
On July 08 2021 16:11 MeSaber wrote:
146 str would be the minimum, Monarch ETH. For 4 socket shield runewordable.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/shields.shtml

Sorceress
FBR Frames
0% 9
7% 8
15% 7
27% 6
48% 5
86% 4
200% 3
4680% 2

7 or 6 frames would be viable to reach, its not that bad ive tried it and you can manage to throw spells with ease even if surrounded. As you block a lot you wont be in such danger either for recurring hits unless you got low elemental resistance which is autohit.

If you want to be a blocker, Mosers or Whitstans are great as you significantly reduces Dex requirements.

Regular shield is 44% max: 288 dex at lvl 80 for 75%

Sigons Guard 64%: 203 dex. (+1 skill)

Mosers w/o runes 57%: 226 dex at lvl 80.

w/ runes 71%: 185 dex.

Stormshield 67%: 195 dex. (156 str req, has 30 str stat)

Whitstans 87%: 153 dex.

Sanctuary KoKoMal 44%+20%=64%: 203 dex (has 20 dex stat)

Crafted Safety Amulet add 10%

Twitchthroe add 25%

Guardian Angel add 20% (and 30% Faster Block Rate, 6 Frame block)

Spirit RW 42%: 301 dex.

Spirit RW 42% + amulet 10% = 52%: 246 dex.

Spirit RW 42% + amulet 10% + Guardian Angel 20% = 72%: 182 dex.

http://www.baronsbazaar.ca/forum/ppr/block_calc.html
https://fabd.github.io/diablo2/wiki/itemswith#block
https://fabd.github.io/diablo2/wiki/itemswith#block2


My bad, I thought Troll Nest had 4 sockets, but it only has 3.
Anyways I still think it's a lot of investment with open outcome and if you play SSF it's a bother switching up your build a dozen times depending on what shields you find or don't find. You just increase the gear and stats requirements by a lot and how much you actually need really depends on what you find.

Like assuming you socket insight on lvl 70 and before that go 1 ene per level to sustain your mana requirements without drinking pots every 5 seconds, you also need ~2 strength per level for monarch. so if you go 2-3 dex which you need for spirit max block you basically get 0 vit per level. Even without the ene per level it's maybe 0.5 vit per level, I can't really see that paying off especially because IIRC you can't block most spells and these are more likely to hit you.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
July 25 2021 17:01 GMT
#808
Does "wealth" actually work? +300%gf is very noticeable but +100%mf is invisible. Nothing seen at act5 nightmare und act1 hell.
It is important that only the char kills monster or his necromancers can kill aswell?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
July 25 2021 21:31 GMT
#809
MF works, but is only noticeable in high quantities (300%+).
low gravity, yes-yes!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5628 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-26 06:21:17
July 26 2021 06:12 GMT
#810
On July 26 2021 02:01 Dingodile wrote:
Does "wealth" actually work? +300%gf is very noticeable but +100%mf is invisible. Nothing seen at act5 nightmare und act1 hell.
It is important that only the char kills monster or his necromancers can kill aswell?

Your pets/minions will have the same GF/MF you have. However your mercenary will have yours+his own, this can be handy to keep in mind when killing a Super Unique.
FBH #1!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
July 26 2021 09:20 GMT
#811
wtf suddenly diablo arrived in act1 hell at den of devil???
Never seen before that.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-26 09:35:54
July 26 2021 09:21 GMT
#812
Thats not Diablo, its his clone

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Diablo_(World_Event)

Stats: https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Uber_Diablo
-.-
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
July 26 2021 09:55 GMT
#813
it was a black one like nightmare diablo. I wanted to clear den of devil, then he appeared and killed everyone in one move.
My Summonmancer lvl68 has no chance to do alone.

any runewords possible with demon heads?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
July 26 2021 18:16 GMT
#814
MF actually has diminishing returns past 100%, and actually even before that. https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Magic_Find
Uniques will still be rather rare, but it's worth it. You don't really need a lot of MF but having some MF is pretty important. However it's still possible to do well without MF especially using runes of which the drops aren't affected by MF, and you'll still get unique stuff etc.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
July 26 2021 21:28 GMT
#815
You can disable clone in plugy config if its disturbing your play.
-.-
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
July 28 2021 09:46 GMT
#816
On July 26 2021 02:01 Dingodile wrote:
Does "wealth" actually work? +300%gf is very noticeable but +100%mf is invisible. Nothing seen at act5 nightmare und act1 hell.
It is important that only the char kills monster or his necromancers can kill aswell?



%GF literally adds %GF while %MF raises 'chance' of higher quality drops. So 100%MF doesnt necessarily has to feel like it drops more uniques or rares but it does. Also Magic items (blue) dont have diminishing returns so 100%MF gives you 2x amount of chance for blues. You should definitely notice more blue drops if you compare 100 dropped items to another 100.
-.-
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 15:22:04
July 28 2021 11:23 GMT
#817
On July 28 2021 18:46 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2021 02:01 Dingodile wrote:
Does "wealth" actually work? +300%gf is very noticeable but +100%mf is invisible. Nothing seen at act5 nightmare und act1 hell.
It is important that only the char kills monster or his necromancers can kill aswell?



%GF literally adds %GF while %MF raises 'chance' of higher quality drops. So 100%MF doesnt necessarily has to feel like it drops more uniques or rares but it does. Also Magic items (blue) dont have diminishing returns so 100%MF gives you 2x amount of chance for blues. You should definitely notice more blue drops if you compare 100 dropped items to another 100.

If i am looking for (grey labeled) items with sockets, I should play without any mf?
Difficulty Hell is highly confusing me with grey labeled items (for runewords) and other stuff (like gear for my merc). I haven't seen a "guide" about that. How does look the strongest grey labeled polearm for example (the one which requires 210STR)?. When are armors with 400 or 600 defense dropping?

edit: finding high runes (Dol and above) are incredibly hard and requires a very very long playtime. "Wealth" is the only one above lvl30 runeword I have despite two 70lvl chars and both playable in hell act2. I have done ~50 countess runs at nightmare and hell and the drops aren't great at all.
I have plenty runes till shael and then two Fal. thats all (after Wealth).
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-28 16:59:33
July 28 2021 16:42 GMT
#818
Yes to find more socketables (white) you should definitely play without high amount of MF.

Strongest elite polearm for socketing (insight or infinity) would be Cryptic Axe (ethereal version (+50% dmg)). http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/polearms.shtml

It has 165 str and 103 dex requirements.

Cryptic Axe is Quality Level 79, if we look up Treasure Classes around that level we find Cryptic Axe belongs to Treasure Class (TC) 81: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Weap81

If we then go and look in Hell Act1 for a Monster Level around lvl 80-81 what do we find: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Act_1_Summary_(Hell)

Lets take "Hole Level 2 (Hell)", "bighead3" monster, monster level 81: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hole_Level_2#bighead3_.28Hell.29

Its TC is "Act 5 (H) Cast A", continue down the tree towards the items "Act 5 (H) Equip A": https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Act_5_(H)_Equip_A

Here you find this monster can drop "weap84" and "weap81" which is the TC you are after that includes the Cryptic Axe.

As you can see not all monsters can drop the same TC's and this is by game design. Most fixed monsters have a set TC that is lower than regular monsters that spawn, that for example can drop the higher TC's in comparison but with a very less chance of doing so.

If you look very closely here: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Act_1_Summary_(Hell)

You will notice "Mausoleum (Hell)" have monsters with level 85. And if you click "skeleton1" for example, "Act 5 (H) H2H C", "Act 5 (H) Equip C", you will then see "weap87" and "armo87": https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Weap87

Its the highest Treasure Class in the game, meaning they can drop all items and you didnt even need to go to Baal (Hell)

If you are too weak you could farm items there.

As for Colossus Voulge (str 210) as you mentioned its from: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Weap66

You can get this weapon beginning from: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Act_5_Summary_(Nightmare)#Worldstone_Keep_Level_3_.28Nightmare.29

I.e doing Baalruns in Nightmare.

As for armors: http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/armor.shtml

Dusk Shroud is a favorite and can be found in NM Baals as well: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Armo66

Edit: About your question of runes. MF doesnt affect runes (i.e type of items picked) but only affect quality of an item. Different runes are only in different TC's, meanwhile MF only affects the quality of an item, Higher quality rune of a rune doesnt exist, there is only one version of a rune. Rest higher tier runes are in different TC's each, where higher tier runes are picked only if you get to a higher monster killed for that TC to be picked.

If we take Nightmare Chaos Sanctuary 'Doom Knight': https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Chaos_Sanctuary#doomknight3_.28Nightmare.29

"Act 5 (N) H2H A", "Act 5 (N) Good", "Runes 12", it can drop "R24" as highest rune.

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rune

R24 would be IST.

The best way to find higher tier runes is to make a mass killer char that can mow down monsters the fastest. More monsters the better until that TC is picked and a rune drops.

As for Countess, shes special. Here is her TC: https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/index.php?title=Countess_(N)

When killed she has 50% chance to choose either an item or a rune "Countess Rune (N)" (This is Nightmare btw).

In "Countess Item (N)" her regular rune chance exist if that is picked, this will be a higher tier rune than her special rune drop mentioned above.

R16 = IO , is her highest from her rune pick.

And from her item pick R18 = KO.
-.-
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
July 28 2021 18:01 GMT
#819
thank you for detailed information ... but I wont looking into this, way too complicated and time consuming.
I think this can be done easier like:
Cryptic Axe (TC81): Drop Location: Hole Level 2 (H), Pit level 1 & 2 (H), Crypt (H), Mausoleum (H), Underground Passage level 2 (H) and Secret Cow level (H).

I have never seen etheral items with sockets. Is there a cube recipe or I have to use the quest from act5?
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-07-30 09:41:34
July 30 2021 06:55 GMT
#820
Ethereal has 5% chance to be added to the item at drop. This is also true for Uniques, they can also be ETH. The ones with Indestructible mod cannot get it.

There is no recipe for ETH no, but there is recipe for sockets so you could try socketing an eth (grey) weapon.

http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/cube.shtml

About being done easier, the reason you cant list locations is because there is a quirk. Monsters who are minions get +3 monster level and by so also get upgraded TC level when they pass over to another TC.

-.-
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