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Ramble
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden877 Posts
August 01 2011 02:47 GMT
#3001
On August 01 2011 11:46 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Kiyo. wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:42 Grettin wrote:
This firelady looking seems pretty fucking good character.


Yea, Phoenix is broken. Getting nerfed in UMvC3

Why dont they all use it if its that good? Doesnt make sense to me...


It's a gamble. If you get snapped in, you're dead.

So its not really overpowered at all?

There are obvious counters to Phoenix such as snap ins early and just catching her in the air when she is throwing fireballs but it's not that easy and most agree that her "drawbacks" more then make up for her advantages.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3002
On August 01 2011 11:46 red_ wrote:
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On August 01 2011 11:44 Fzero wrote:
So.. can anyone explain why the commentators were hyping Justin's new teams and he never used them?


Fairly sure a lot of JWong's new tech was supposed to be anti Phoenix, and he got knocked out by a non Phoenix team(he got knocked to losers by Viscant though, maybe he wanted to hide it for later?)... or he just wasn't comfortable enough with it to bust it out in top4.

i think he dropped too much in those last few games
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3003
On August 01 2011 11:46 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Kiyo. wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:42 Grettin wrote:
This firelady looking seems pretty fucking good character.


Yea, Phoenix is broken. Getting nerfed in UMvC3

Why dont they all use it if its that good? Doesnt make sense to me...


It's a gamble. If you get snapped in, you're dead.

So its not really overpowered at all?

Well the whole game seems to be revolving around this particular character so it may be a good indication that she needs to be tweaked in my opinion
o choro é livre
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 02:48:50
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3004
It's about game design. Having a team where only 1/3 of the team can decimate everything that much is obnoxious and completely throws a wrench into the overall flow of the game. When you're making anti one character teams when the game revolves around using teams of 3 it's not right.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3005
On August 01 2011 11:46 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:44 Alabasern wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Ramble wrote:
Viscant is a beast but that Phoenix man...


He doesn't deserve that finale.


Jay is a pioneer in mvc2, and really knowledgeable when it comes to fighting games. All the fucking Wesker resets and setups are mostly his creations, and he shares them with the community. HIs phoenix is godlike as well. He deserves this.


I humbly disagree.
Support your esport!
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3006
On August 01 2011 11:46 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Kiyo. wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:42 Grettin wrote:
This firelady looking seems pretty fucking good character.


Yea, Phoenix is broken. Getting nerfed in UMvC3

Why dont they all use it if its that good? Doesnt make sense to me...


It's a gamble. If you get snapped in, you're dead.

So its not really overpowered at all?


Well some says the risk is too small for her power, and that's why they might consider her overpowered. I personally don't think she is.

As for why not everyone uses her: 1) preference, and 2) because having phoenix brings a level of inconsistency into your game (your games can be decided by a snap-in and a lucky mix-up->combo). Not relying on Phoenix to hold all your marbles allows you to know exactly where you stand every game.
DotADeMoN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States517 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3007
On August 01 2011 11:46 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Kiyo. wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:42 Grettin wrote:
This firelady looking seems pretty fucking good character.


Yea, Phoenix is broken. Getting nerfed in UMvC3

Why dont they all use it if its that good? Doesnt make sense to me...


It's a gamble. If you get snapped in, you're dead.

So its not really overpowered at all?


You spend all your meter and give up all your damage to snap her in. Then you have to actually land a mixup on her, which is near impossible due to her air fireballs.

Level3 X-factor Phoenix is impossible to consistently beat, and you end up throwing out random supers and praying they hit.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
August 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#3008
How much the winner of the tournament gets btw?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 02:50:24
August 01 2011 02:49 GMT
#3009
On August 01 2011 11:47 Ramble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:46 FawkingGoomba wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 zeru wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Kiyo. wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:42 Grettin wrote:
This firelady looking seems pretty fucking good character.


Yea, Phoenix is broken. Getting nerfed in UMvC3

Why dont they all use it if its that good? Doesnt make sense to me...


It's a gamble. If you get snapped in, you're dead.

So its not really overpowered at all?

There are obvious counters to Phoenix such as snap ins early and just catching her in the air when she is throwing fireballs but it's not that easy and most agree that her "drawbacks" more then make up for her advantages.


pretty much, you saw quite a few players like rog and wong trying to bait her out
DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
August 01 2011 02:49 GMT
#3010
On August 01 2011 11:47 On_Slaught wrote:
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On August 01 2011 11:45 DrBoo wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Why is phoenix even allowed again ?


She's a glass cannon she isn't "broken" She sure as fuck isn't a super turbo akuma


The problem is it makes every round anti-climactic as fuck.

If you kill her before lvl 5 = 90% chance of win.

If you don't kill her before lvl 5 = 90% chance of loss.

It takes most of the fun out of the series. Every non-phoenix series was significantly more fun to watch imo.


I think the threat of instant explosive ending is awesome its like banlings vs light micro
"DrBoo is an elaborate troll" -Pufftrees
atombombforpeace
Profile Joined December 2008
United States408 Posts
August 01 2011 02:49 GMT
#3011
Phoenix also limits the rest of your team, being forced to save all meter for phoenix, or risk her being "killed" without 5 meters up.
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
August 01 2011 02:49 GMT
#3012
On August 01 2011 11:45 Ramble wrote:
I probably should sleep but its MLG finals and AE coming up. Sleep is for the weak.

So true :D
tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
August 01 2011 02:49 GMT
#3013
I can't wait for PR's tron comeback to be on youtube/vod.
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
August 01 2011 02:50 GMT
#3014
On August 01 2011 11:48 Alabasern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:46 Hokay wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 Alabasern wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Ramble wrote:
Viscant is a beast but that Phoenix man...


He doesn't deserve that finale.


Jay is a pioneer in mvc2, and really knowledgeable when it comes to fighting games. All the fucking Wesker resets and setups are mostly his creations, and he shares them with the community. HIs phoenix is godlike as well. He deserves this.


I humbly disagree.


Hate the game, not the player. Get out.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 01 2011 02:50 GMT
#3015
And an excellent phoenix player is super hard to beat no matter how good you are
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 01 2011 02:50 GMT
#3016
this weekend my sleep schedule has gone to shit, evo + mlg is not healthy for me, but its so good!!!!
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
August 01 2011 02:51 GMT
#3017
AE sweet, EVO is finally done with this Phoenix shit... Back to Yun OP lunges and flying kicks...
Support your esport!
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
August 01 2011 02:52 GMT
#3018
Congratz to Viscant, he truely deserves it after many years of service in the community.

IM so HYPED for AE right now!!! Go go USA!
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
bajabaja
Profile Joined September 2010
245 Posts
August 01 2011 02:52 GMT
#3019
Saying Phoenix is kinda like an "all-in" or 50-50 character is an understatement. Imagine if Wong picked up Phoenix from the start. Just look at Wolvie and Akuma now.
hi.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
August 01 2011 02:52 GMT
#3020
On August 01 2011 11:50 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:48 Alabasern wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:46 Hokay wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:44 Alabasern wrote:
On August 01 2011 11:43 Ramble wrote:
Viscant is a beast but that Phoenix man...


He doesn't deserve that finale.


Jay is a pioneer in mvc2, and really knowledgeable when it comes to fighting games. All the fucking Wesker resets and setups are mostly his creations, and he shares them with the community. HIs phoenix is godlike as well. He deserves this.


I humbly disagree.


Hate the game, not the player. Get out.


I do hate the game? The player is irrelevant...if the game is broken. Hopefully this is the last EVO for MVC3.
Support your esport!
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