Any tips before I go into the branches of Hell? This is my first time going in... I've read the wiki on it- pack the appropriate resistances, bring restore abilities and curing/clarity, go down as fast as possible to avoid Hell effects. What else?

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

October 27 2012 19:50 GMT

#1122

On October 28 2012 01:11 Misder wrote:
Any tips before I go into the branches of Hell? This is my first time going in... I've read the wiki on it- pack the appropriate resistances, bring restore abilities and curing/clarity, go down as fast as possible to avoid Hell effects. What else?

You pretty much got it. If you decided not to train your evo for CBoE, the bosses are going to be difficult for you to defeat. Try to find something to keep between the LoS of you and Dispater while you Fire Storm him, Summon Butterflies can work. I would ensure that you have some form of controlled teleport so you can ninja the runes if need be.

crate

United States2474 Posts

October 27 2012 20:30 GMT

#1123

Honestly for Disapter you are better off not fighting at all if the only way you have to kill him is fire storm (same for cerebov). He's speed 10 without haste, easy to just kite him around something and then grab the rune from behind him (or you can cblink past).

You should do pan before hell because it is much easier.

Glenstorm

United States69 Posts

October 28 2012 05:28 GMT

#1124

Managed to find time to play a game in bits and pieces, and wanted to share a moment that had me cracking up for a good long while

Misder

United States1557 Posts

October 29 2012 06:31 GMT

#1125

Sorry this game is taking so long team! I keep almost dying and crate keeps saving me xD Still have one more pan lord and hells. I might skip tomb if I don't have the proper spells by then xD

]343[

United States10328 Posts

October 29 2012 10:46 GMT

#1126

fuck, ninjaing snake rune was too hard

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 29 2012 10:49 GMT

#1127

My DDGl of TSO finally made it through both orc and lair and I'm seeing demons and undead more often. Playing with this on repeat. more seriously though I have a +6/+8 exec axe of frost, is it worth it to holy brandifiy it or should I just leave it as frost

Mothra

United States1448 Posts

October 29 2012 21:15 GMT

#1128

On October 29 2012 19:49 Blazinghand wrote:
My DDGl of TSO finally made it through both orc and lair and I'm seeing demons and undead more often. Playing with this on repeat. more seriously though I have a +6/+8 exec axe of frost, is it worth it to holy brandifiy it or should I just leave it as frost

I would leave it until going pan/hells/tomb.

Mothra

United States1448 Posts

October 29 2012 21:38 GMT

#1129

On a MiFi, after dumping 15 into shield and 18 in M&F, would it be a waste to go polearms for blessed bardiche for endgame? I figure more firepower is probably my best defense against torment and such, but maybe at this point I should just take the holy scourge and start building up spellcasting.

crate

United States2474 Posts

October 29 2012 21:47 GMT

#1130

Yes it would absolutely be a waste to swap to a bardiche when you have 18 m&f. If you want to use a bigger weapon you can use a great mace (same damage as a bardiche!!), since then you only need 2 more m&f levels instead of twenty-six polearms levels.....

Also there is probably a holy great mace lying around somewhere anyway since it is one of the most common great mace brands.

You would also be much better served getting haste than getting 26 polearms levels, especially since extended kind of assumes you have repeatable haste and is balanced accordingly.

Mothra

United States1448 Posts

October 29 2012 22:29 GMT

#1131

Thanks... there was great mace of holy wrath right on the level I was on lol. I guess I'll enchant that up instead of scourge because shield probably wont help me much in endgame.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 30 2012 11:14 GMT

#1132

My first rune was also my first win. DD of TSO for life

Thanks for all the help guys! I'm glad I won, and also glad I won this way.

]343[

United States10328 Posts

October 30 2012 11:15 GMT

#1133

dat win

CPA so imba

crate

United States2474 Posts

October 31 2012 02:14 GMT

#1134

I snatched the last OpHu Nemelex Choice win since no one else seemed to want to try it. OpHu was actually super easy, very good streak combo. Doesn't matter which weapon you pick either. First time I tried was early in the tournament, took javs because I didn't want to be a hunter the whole game, went kiku, had a should-have-been-sure-win char (quickblade, nearing max kiku piety, ring of invis, ring of ctele, good spells) and then died when I miscast blink and got doublemoved by a dire elephant.

Second try I went Trog and crossbows ... I'm pretty sure crossbows are the best ranged weapon for killing everything, because penetration is that good. Also you oneshot everything on d:1, crossbows imba. Had a couple kind of tense moments in midgame when I wasn't yet killing everything in three shots but nothing too bad except for the time I was an idiot next to a hydra.

Op is good for this since you have super strong melee early on (constrict + tentacle aux) and hopefully you can ride that plus your starting ammo until your god of choice starts giving you what you want.

As an aside steel bolts are actually not very good any more, flame/frost deal more damage to stuff that's neutral to them so steel is mainly for stuff with both rC and rF. Not many enemies like that in a 3 rune game (and oofs are vulnerable to silver so you don't even care about them). Pretty much just aliches and tentmons. (The reason steel used to be really good is you could enchant it and then it would never break, while enchanting both flame and frost arrows was usually silly and a bad idea).

myopia

United States2928 Posts

October 31 2012 05:01 GMT

#1135

Tilt + Boredom + Distraction = a lot of dead SETm^TSO

it's cool when wiglaf picks up one of the dozen crossbows that litter every floor of the vaults, then mighthaste guns you down

crate

United States2474 Posts

November 01 2012 21:55 GMT

#1136

So if Misder wins his DEFE by the end of the tournament we might hold on to 5th place. Someone else getting more than 3 runes would be good too. I may play some more games but probably I am done if I break my current streak.

If you want to keep TL top 5 then either: get a lot of points for allruning (this is at least 12*30 + a ton of points for your high score) or if you want to win 3 rune games you can go for races/classes/gods that the team does not yet have a win for.

Sludge elves are good right now for your individual scores but I won a SEWz a bit ago so you're only improving the team score by about 10 points if you win one.

Tournament ends in a bit more than 3 days.

To see our unwon races ask Sequell:

!lg * t won s=crace/@liquid ?:N=0

Unwon classes:

!lg * t won s=cls/@liquid ?:N=0

Gods you have to check our tournament page since you can change gods partway through a game. I grabbed a Zin win so other than Jiyva and Chei none of the gods we have unwon are worth a ton though.

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Speaking of the Zin win it was a HOSu, I took Zin shortly before lair, worshipped him from then until I hit 6* piety in orc, and then ditched him for a real god (Jiyva). It ended up being a pretty fun game ... the starting book carried me through Lair just fine, I found Eos (+11 morningstar of elec) outside of lair and trained that up, then after converting to Jiyva I gradually picked up the following: LRD, statue form, shadow creatures, summon hydra, haste, summon elemental (for Zot). I got a demon whip from Mara and Devastator from a weapon trove and used those for much of the game.

Oh, and I used shield of the gong!!! It's quite an experience, I recommend you use the shield if you find it because it is lots of fun. It will get you in bad situations. But it's quite amusing fighting for instance the entire population of Elf:2 (including Roka band) within LOS of the stairs I took to enter, or drawing seemingly endless enemies to you at the stairs of Vault:$.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

November 01 2012 22:29 GMT

#1137

On November 02 2012 06:55 crate wrote:
To see our unwon races ask Sequell:

!lg * t won s=crace/@liquid ?:N=0

Unwon classes:

!lg * t won s=cls/@liquid ?:N=0

Is there a way to use the bot without getting on IRC?

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

November 01 2012 22:30 GMT

#1138

On November 02 2012 07:29 Cel.erity wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 02 2012 06:55 crate wrote:
To see our unwon races ask Sequell:

!lg * t won s=crace/@liquid ?:N=0

Unwon classes:

!lg * t won s=cls/@liquid ?:N=0

Is there a way to use the bot without getting on IRC?

Here's TL's current status:

+ Show Spoiler +

<Blazinghand>30 !lg * t won s=crace/@liquid ?:N=0
<Sequell> 371 games for * (t won s=crace): 0/17x High Elf [0.00%], 0/10x Demigod [0.00%], 0/7x Felid [0.00%], 0/18x Deep Elf [0.00%], 0/16x Demonspawn [0.00%], 0/9x Ghoul [0.00%], 0/8x Mummy [0.00%], 0/12x Spriggan [0.00%], 0/10x Tengu [0.00%], 0/10x Centaur [0.00%], 0/15x Ogre [0.00%]

<Blazinghand>30 !lg * t won s=cls/@liquid ?:N=0
<Sequell> 371 games for * (t won s=cls): 0/5x Assassin [0.00%], 0/9x Death Knight [0.00%], 0/56x Berserker [0.00%], 0/26x Fire Elementalist [0.00%], 0/12x Monk [0.00%], 0/6x Wanderer [0.00%], 0/6x Enchanter [0.00%], 0/11x Air Elementalist [0.00%], 0/10x Venom Mage [0.00%], 0/9x Arcane Marksman [0.00%], 0/7x Artificer [0.00%], 0/10x Abyssal Knight [0.00%], 0/8x Priest [0.00%]

So basically, Unwon races as of this post:
High Elf, Demigod, Felid, Deep Elf, Demonsapwn, Ghoul, Mummy, Spriggan, Tengu, Centaur, Ogre
Unwon Classes:
Assassin, Death Knight, Berserker, Fire Elementalist, Monk, Wanderer, Enchanter, Air Elementalist, Venom Mage, Arcane Marskman, ARtificer, Abyssal Knight, PRiest.

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

November 01 2012 22:43 GMT

#1139

We can hopefully cross DEFE off the list, so that leaves SpAs, SpEn, HEEn, CeAM, DsMo, GhMo, MuVM, OgDK as some potential ideas for someone who wants to fulfill our clan requirements with a somewhat easier combo.

A berserker of one of those races would give us 2/3 (Trog already won), as would HOPr which is quite easy (HO already won).

Unwon gods: Ashenzari, Beogh, Cheibriados, Jiyva, Lugonu, Nemelex Xobeh, No God, Sif Muna, The Shining One, Yredelemnul