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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
August 03 2012 05:05 GMT
#1001
A good mutation is ok to have, but not required to win. A bad mutation (or lack of cure pots), however, can end a run. The risk/reward isn't really there.

I would say that you can usually get away with it following Nemelex though, once you have enough Legendary decks lying around.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
worldsnap
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada222 Posts
August 04 2012 04:11 GMT
#1002
ummmmmm firestorm on vaults 8 is a baaaad idea unless you like a tonn of attention I was stairdancing just fine, and then something, somehow, knocked me off of my stairs, and then i was surrounded, teleported around the level a bit, tried to get back to the stairs, deaaaaath. it was heroic.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 04 2012 04:18 GMT
#1003
All dragons can trample. I'm willing to bet it was a shadow dragon that got you off the stairs.

That said, if you're a squishy dude dealing in the bigger spells, it's better to cblink out of the stair section into the hallways and killdudes as they come to you in droves. Dancing is pretty dangerous if you can't take the heat.

it's my first day
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 13 2012 17:58 GMT
#1004
Wah, CAO is down and I can't telnet to CDO for some reason...

guess I'll have to play locally T___T
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#1005
You need to make sure you are using the correct telnet port for CDO, it's not the default.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
August 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#1006
CAO is down for me as well but I can SSH into CDO just fine.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:07:33
August 13 2012 18:06 GMT
#1007
On August 14 2012 03:00 crate wrote:
You need to make sure you are using the correct telnet port for CDO, it's not the default.


Ah, thanks.

Anyway, why would they generate a kobold with curare on D:3 T___T

Oof, CDO is sorta slow because it's in Europe (and I'm in MA so CAO is even faster for me.) Whatever, I'll be fine
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:12:28
August 13 2012 18:09 GMT
#1008
I just fixed Wenzell's link to the SSH key to point to the one hosted on CDO, which is actually accessible. So you can get the key now. SSH seems to be faster than telnet for me, so you might try that.

You can also try the new cszo server, apparently (http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto and http://crawl.s-z.org/)
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Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
August 15 2012 02:32 GMT
#1009
Yay I got my first win today Fire storm op. IRC chat is pretty awesome I must say.
Whaaaa?
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 10:36:20
August 15 2012 10:35 GMT
#1010
Congrats I've just been getting back into the game. I'm a noob: I have a lot of trouble getting past Lair, except for this one time when I played MiBe's and was able to get past Lair like 4 out of 5 times, and thought I was going to win within weeks. Then without changing anything I suddenly couldn't get past Lair again.

On another note, does anyone have a basic build order for a Fire Storm DEFE or an Ice Storm DeCj in a 3-rune game? (Yay, I can finally actually SAY build order when I refer to Crawl characters, and not just think it!)
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 12:17:39
August 15 2012 12:15 GMT
#1011
On August 15 2012 19:35 Salivanth wrote:
Congrats I've just been getting back into the game. I'm a noob: I have a lot of trouble getting past Lair, except for this one time when I played MiBe's and was able to get past Lair like 4 out of 5 times, and thought I was going to win within weeks. Then without changing anything I suddenly couldn't get past Lair again.

On another note, does anyone have a basic build order for a Fire Storm DEFE or an Ice Storm DeCj in a 3-rune game? (Yay, I can finally actually SAY build order when I refer to Crawl characters, and not just think it!)


Go Vehumet, train Fire Magic and Conjurations fairly equally, with Spellcasting as needed. Around Lair you should be decimating most things with Fireballs, and Vehumet will gift you Orb of Destruction late into Lair. Make sure you train Conjurations enough to make that consistent, and then put some points into stuff like Shields/Dodge/Traps, then go back to maxing Fire Magic/Conjurations. Eventually you just Fire Storm everything to death. Try to pick up Deflect Missiles and Haste on the way if you can, as well as Blink, Swiftness, Flight, possibly Poisonous Cloud, and Mephitic if you get it early enough. Start training up Fighting to 10 when you get to D:20 or so. That's about all you need for any amount of runes as a FE.

Ice Mage pretty much the same thing, except replace Fire Magic with Ice Magic. Abuse Freezing Cloud instead of Fireball. Mephitic replaces Conjure Flame.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 20:51:05
August 17 2012 20:50 GMT
#1012
Personally I wouldn't recommend going with a DE to start out, just because they're hard to play and the low HP will make you sad all game. If you want to play a caster, I'd recommmend:

Kobold: small body, really easy to eat with to fight against spell hunger because carnivorous, good proficiencies, no glaring weaknesses except can't use plant-based permafood
or
Spriggan: tiny body, incredibly fast, great at everything but conjuration. Weakness: herbivorous, so spell hunger is an issue. get lots of int and spellcasting.

If you want to play a Minotaur, I'd start off as a Fighter. Although Minotaurs don't benefit a huge amount from magic, they are survivable and Okawaru's traits are more suited to the lategame than Trog's.

If you must be a Trog guy, I really truly recommend being a Kobold Beserker. It sounds weird, but because Kobolds are carnivores, they can eat meat whenever and the hunger drain from rage doesn't hurt them nearly as much.

So yeah, KoCj/KoWu, MiFi, or KoBe is probably easiest to do.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
August 18 2012 04:25 GMT
#1013
kobe was the first of the quality guides in this thread
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 18 2012 05:42 GMT
#1014
On December 17 2011 01:50 myopia wrote:
working my way through shoals, havent broken a sweat yet. opinions on the sword I just found?

falchion +2, +11 speed -cast rC+ MR dex+2

I barely use spells and can spare the xp to train long blades and shields. does MR prevent mesmerize? that would be nice.


lol I love reading the play by play of my early games. Yes people, I tried to sabotage my first win by swapping from speed lajatang to speed falchion.
it's my first day
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 18 2012 06:01 GMT
#1015
Minotaur of Chei, counterattack everything to death huehuehue
Beating my way through lair without breaking a sweat. It's kinda weird succeeding for once.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
August 18 2012 08:29 GMT
#1016
Part of the problem I find, playing VpSu, is every minor engagement turns into a total shitfest as I summon scorpions and they turn on me, and I summon more scorpions, then finally imps and mammals to I can swap to safety.

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When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 18 2012 09:22 GMT
#1017
On August 18 2012 17:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Part of the problem I find, playing VpSu, is every minor engagement turns into a total shitfest as I summon scorpions and they turn on me, and I summon more scorpions, then finally imps and mammals to I can swap to safety.


hmm, should you be casting summon spells with that high a fail (or rather, unfriendly) chance? o.O
Writer
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#1018
Summon scorpions is very good even with the chance to make unfriendly scorpions because it makes more than one scorpion per cast (and in many cases a hostile scorpion is better than an empty tile). As long as you are smart about when you use it (don't use it in corridors for instance) it is probably better than summon ice beast overall.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 20:37:28
August 24 2012 20:35 GMT
#1019
I really love the attention to detail in Crawl. It's not just the how brilliantly the game is played, it's also the little things. I was playing a VpSu, and one of my imps re-animated an orc, and it's like "The dead are walking!" whenever a corpse is animated. After a few times this happened, he re-animated a frog and it said "The dead are hopping!"

What a well-designed, polished game.

E: typically, btw, my spells go "small mammal -> imp -> scorps" and by then I should have found some other books to supplement my magic and I sort of roll with it from there. Hound and Ice Beast are both fun in their own right but lack the real killing power that Scorps brings to the table.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
August 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#1020
On August 25 2012 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I really love the attention to detail in Crawl. It's not just the how brilliantly the game is played, it's also the little things. I was playing a VpSu, and one of my imps re-animated an orc, and it's like "The dead are walking!" whenever a corpse is animated. After a few times this happened, he re-animated a frog and it said "The dead are hopping!"

What a well-designed, polished game.

E: typically, btw, my spells go "small mammal -> imp -> scorps" and by then I should have found some other books to supplement my magic and I sort of roll with it from there. Hound and Ice Beast are both fun in their own right but lack the real killing power that Scorps brings to the table.


Dunno, I find hound to be way more useful than scorps because it creates more summons, scales better with spell power, and doesn't screw you by being hostile. I rarely use scorpions personally.
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