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On May 30 2011 00:25 Aristodemus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:LOL HAMILTON SUCH A TROLL!!! EDIT: As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner Massa had the racing line while hamilton just charges right on the inside, Hamilton should know better. The inside is the racing line, what Hamilton had. You have two choices, you give them room or you turn in to make certain contact. Schumacher made two moves like that today on Hamilton and Rosberg and both drivers choose the wise option of leaving room.
If the inside is the racing line, EVERY OTHER DRIVER would drive the line Hamilton did. That is nowhere near the racing line, it is far too early an apex to be driving that kind of line. What massa did is the correct line, outside entry into clipping the mid apex.
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On May 30 2011 00:27 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:25 Aristodemus wrote:On May 30 2011 00:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:LOL HAMILTON SUCH A TROLL!!! EDIT: As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner Massa had the racing line while hamilton just charges right on the inside, Hamilton should know better. The inside is the racing line, what Hamilton had. You have two choices, you give them room or you turn in to make certain contact. Schumacher made two moves like that today on Hamilton and Rosberg and both drivers choose the wise option of leaving room. The regulations don't support you. The only preference comes when you are ahead. Massa was ahead. Ergo Hamilton is at fault.
Massa could have chosen to avoid the accident like Hamilton/Rosberg did earlier. The fact that he didn't means he should take at least half the responsibility for the crash.
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On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.>
lolwhat?
staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ?
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On May 30 2011 00:29 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:27 redviper wrote:On May 30 2011 00:25 Aristodemus wrote:On May 30 2011 00:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:LOL HAMILTON SUCH A TROLL!!! EDIT: As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner Massa had the racing line while hamilton just charges right on the inside, Hamilton should know better. The inside is the racing line, what Hamilton had. You have two choices, you give them room or you turn in to make certain contact. Schumacher made two moves like that today on Hamilton and Rosberg and both drivers choose the wise option of leaving room. The regulations don't support you. The only preference comes when you are ahead. Massa was ahead. Ergo Hamilton is at fault. Massa could have chosen to avoid the accident like Hamilton/Rosberg did earlier. The fact that he didn't means he should take at least half the responsibility for the crash.
Thats not how the regulations are written or interpreted. Massa couldn't have avoided him in any case without going straight to the wall of the hairpin. Maybe they should share the responsibility at 99% Hamilton, 1% massa.
Malonado is justifiably pissed at hamilton also.
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On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ?
His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to.
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On May 30 2011 00:24 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:22 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah Vettel! Great race with these tyres! I don't think he was lucky. Alonso had no chance to overtake him. Oh do get out  He had 15 laps to do on tyres that were about to drop off the cliff and offer him no grip. he got super lucky. Alonso/Jensen deserved the win.
I wonder what they say on the British television. Vettel defended very well and there were only 8 laps to go. I'm pretty sure Vettel also would have won without the crash. Someone from Red Bull said on the German television, that the tyres were good enough to end the race.
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On May 30 2011 00:26 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:19 Aristodemus wrote:
Vettel was lapping in the late 20's for the last few laps before the red flag. The only reason they were faster than everyone else was because of the train being led by Sutil and Kobayashi who were also on really old tyres.
As for Hamilton today being "a massive cock" i dont buy that at all. On the incidents this weekend i will go through them. In qualifying Massa blocked him on his fast lap and recieved no penalty. A few years ago Alonso at monza was penalised for blocking Massa after Ferrari proved he was slightly affected by him. McLaren could easily have proved Hamilton was held up by Massa yesterday. As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner (as he crashed into the back of Webber) and Lewis had to go over the kerb to avoid him but still couldnt. In the tunnel Massa just tried to go side by side on the marbles, he crashed on his own. It was the same with Maldonado, Lewis had the racing line on the inside and Maldonado turned in on him. People make contact all the time in F1, it is the nature of racing.
There were worse incidents today i think. Kobayashi charged into the back of Sutil. DiResta smashed straight into someone at the hairpin (he also recieved an unjust penalty in my opinion). Schumacher drove straight into the back of Hamilton at the start breaking his diffuser. DiResta drove straight into the back of a D'Ambrosio breaking his diffuser They are only the ones broadcast too. Its amazing how far hamilton's fans will go to defend him. Massa couldn't get his car to levitate so he got blocked by massa. Then he made a banzai move on schumi which didnt result in an accident only because Schumi is god. Then he knocks massa at the hair pin and pushes him on the marbles in the tunnel. Then he does the same banazi move on maldonado. And then he plays the race card. And finally he back pedals and claims it was a joke though it seemed obvious he was angry and clearly venting. If that isn't being a cock throughout the weekend I don't know what is. (Well next he could say that Perez and Petrov ruined his chance to win the race by getting injured). Also Monaco should be off the calendar. Its going to end in tears like 94 Imola one of these days.
Massa could have let him through before casino square and it wouldnt have affected his qualifying, Schumacher is god eh? ok lol. Massa choose to try and stick it out on the outside of the tunnel which was always going to end in the wall, Hamilton did not push him.
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On May 30 2011 00:31 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:29 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:27 redviper wrote:On May 30 2011 00:25 Aristodemus wrote:On May 30 2011 00:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:LOL HAMILTON SUCH A TROLL!!! EDIT: As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner Massa had the racing line while hamilton just charges right on the inside, Hamilton should know better. The inside is the racing line, what Hamilton had. You have two choices, you give them room or you turn in to make certain contact. Schumacher made two moves like that today on Hamilton and Rosberg and both drivers choose the wise option of leaving room. The regulations don't support you. The only preference comes when you are ahead. Massa was ahead. Ergo Hamilton is at fault. Massa could have chosen to avoid the accident like Hamilton/Rosberg did earlier. The fact that he didn't means he should take at least half the responsibility for the crash. Thats not how the regulations are written or interpreted. Massa couldn't have avoided him in any case without going straight to the wall of the hairpin. Maybe they should share the responsibility at 99% Hamilton, 1% massa. Malonado is justifiably pissed at hamilton also.
You're clearly just as biased, so why are you commenting on other peoples bias towards their favourite drivers?
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I am biased on the right side though. Hamilton drove like a douchebag and came out playing the race card. Sure I hate him but you don't see me bashing him when he doesn't deserve it.
Honesty is the best policy - a phrase that LHiar obviously never learnt.
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On May 30 2011 00:31 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:29 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:27 redviper wrote:On May 30 2011 00:25 Aristodemus wrote:On May 30 2011 00:21 FractalsOnFire wrote:LOL HAMILTON SUCH A TROLL!!! EDIT: As for today well the move at the hairpin on Massa he got up the inside and Massa turned in on him, clearly not watching the corner Massa had the racing line while hamilton just charges right on the inside, Hamilton should know better. The inside is the racing line, what Hamilton had. You have two choices, you give them room or you turn in to make certain contact. Schumacher made two moves like that today on Hamilton and Rosberg and both drivers choose the wise option of leaving room. The regulations don't support you. The only preference comes when you are ahead. Massa was ahead. Ergo Hamilton is at fault. Massa could have chosen to avoid the accident like Hamilton/Rosberg did earlier. The fact that he didn't means he should take at least half the responsibility for the crash. Thats not how the regulations are written or interpreted. Massa couldn't have avoided him in any case without going straight to the wall of the hairpin. Maybe they should share the responsibility at 99% Hamilton, 1% massa. Malonado is justifiably pissed at hamilton also.
Watch it again.
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On May 30 2011 00:31 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:24 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:22 KiNGxXx wrote:
Yeah Vettel! Great race with these tyres! I don't think he was lucky. Alonso had no chance to overtake him. Oh do get out He had 15 laps to do on tyres that were about to drop off the cliff and offer him no grip. he got super lucky. Alonso/Jensen deserved the win. I wonder what they say on the British television. Vettel defended very well and there were only 8 laps to go. I'm pretty sure Vettel also would have won without the crash. Someone from Red Bull said on the German television, that the tyres were good enough to end the race.
Ah yeah my bad, I forgot that you don't have access to the UK commentary. Nah according to the testing done, those tyres were literally about to die. No way vettel could have held on imo. He was barely keeping alonso behind him and that was when his tyres were still ok.
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On May 30 2011 00:34 redviper wrote:
I am biased on the right side though. Hamilton drove like a douchebag and came out playing the race card. Sure I hate him but you don't see me bashing him when he doesn't deserve it.
Honesty is the best policy - a phrase that LHiar obviously never learnt.
Lewis was being open on his opinions, something very rare in these days of media training. You saying you hate Hamilton just shows where your viewpoint comes from.
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On May 30 2011 00:34 redviper wrote:
I am biased on the right side though. Hamilton drove like a douchebag and came out playing the race card. Sure I hate him but you don't see me bashing him when he doesn't deserve it.
Honesty is the best policy - a phrase that LHiar obviously never learnt.
"i'm biased on the right side" is so hilariously stupid I'm wondering if you aren't deliberately trolling now, either way I'll bow out of this discussion and leave you with whatever satisfaction you can take from it.
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On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to.
Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too.
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On May 30 2011 00:38 RmpL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to. Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too.
You don't have access to the quality of information that the UK audience does. You have my sympathy but not my agreement
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On May 30 2011 00:39 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:38 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to. Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too. You don't have access to the quality of information that the UK audience does. You have my sympathy but not my agreement
im not saying youre wrong or something, im just saying he did a pretty good job this race. the same as in Barcelona, where he defended Hamilton like a boss. I dont know if he would have won the race 100 % under normal circumstances but to blame it purely on luck would be wrong.
But he should lose a few races in the future, I want the awesome last race finish like last season again 
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On May 30 2011 00:42 RmpL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:39 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:38 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to. Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too. You don't have access to the quality of information that the UK audience does. You have my sympathy but not my agreement im not saying youre wrong or something, im just saying he did a pretty good job this race. the same as in Barcelona, where he defended Hamilton like a boss. I dont know if he would have won the race 100 % under normal circumstances but to blame it purely on luck would be wrong. But he should lose a few races in the future, I want the awesome last race finish like last season again
I'm not claiming he is a bad driver, but the accident in qualifying yesterday gifted him pole, the first safety car gave him track position that he otherwise wouldn't have had. The second safety car gave him new tyres that he desperately needed. In fact we just heard on the BBC commentary that Red Bulls initial plan was to put super soft tyres on vettels car at his first pitstop. They messed up and ACCIDENTLY put the harder tyre on, which allowed him to do his "60 laps" desperation strategy in the first place, otherwise he'd have had to stop again.
I'm sorry but that's just too much luck for me to put this down as an actual win for him. He's had 5 wins this season where noone could stop him really, this wasn't one of them.
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On May 30 2011 00:37 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:34 redviper wrote:
I am biased on the right side though. Hamilton drove like a douchebag and came out playing the race card. Sure I hate him but you don't see me bashing him when he doesn't deserve it.
Honesty is the best policy - a phrase that LHiar obviously never learnt. "i'm biased on the right side" is so hilariously stupid I'm wondering if you aren't deliberately trolling now, either way I'll bow out of this discussion and leave you with whatever satisfaction you can take from it.
The good old, I have no real points so I'll act like I am right and agree to disagree.
And also lol at Hamilton is speaking his mind!
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On May 30 2011 00:42 RmpL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:39 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:38 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to. Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too. You don't have access to the quality of information that the UK audience does. You have my sympathy but not my agreement im not saying youre wrong or something, im just saying he did a pretty good job this race. the same as in Barcelona, where he defended Hamilton like a boss. I dont know if he would have won the race 100 % under normal circumstances but to blame it purely on luck would be wrong. But he should lose a few races in the future, I want the awesome last race finish like last season again
Ofcourse he drove well, but his tyres were finished. It was extremely lucky, his times were in the late 20's when the red flag happened and going slower lap by lap. The same happened to Sutil and in an instant he went from 21's to 24-25's. Button was just sitting back watching, expecting Alonso to make his move but he had tyres capable of 17's.
Edit: Ignoring the clear troll of this forum.
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On May 30 2011 00:39 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 00:38 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:31 NikonTC wrote:On May 30 2011 00:29 RmpL wrote:On May 30 2011 00:15 NikonTC wrote:
How can one man be so bloody lucky. Take it to the casino Vettel, i want to see the best driver win not the most fortunate >.> lolwhat? staying in front of Alonso for 15 rounds with fucked up tires is luck ? His tyres were not fucked up. The prime tyres last ~45 laps according to their testing. Vettel was on lap 48. His tyres were ABOUT to become fucked up and "drop off the cliff" as the drivers put it. Try to pay attention to the information you're given. BBC commentary explain all this very well, so I shouldn't have to. Then explain to me why the Button / Alonso were 2+ secs faster each round. He did a pretty good job at not destroying his tires the 40 rounds before, you should look into this too. You don't have access to the quality of information that the UK audience does. You have my sympathy but not my agreement
quality of information or bias?
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