EPTFormula 1 - 2011 - Page 10
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pAnatiC
Germany123 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:31 Aristodemus wrote: Amazing race, huge congratulations to Hamilton and Webber on stunning drives! Klive the reason that strategy worked so well for Webber was because 3 stop was better than 2 stop, and he was always going to be held up by the slower guys at the start if he went with the option. So using the prime first just negated any loss, infact he couldnt even keep up with the people he started alongside. If you are top 10 though, starting on prime wouldnt work, but it was an excellent decision by red bull for mark. Im so happy for him because the press were getting on his back for his season so far. He reminds me of my all time favourite driver, Mansell. Lewis' decision to only use one set of tyres for q3 proved very wise also, and he was hurt by jenson stopping one lap later than he was told to. I didnt see what happened between him and Massa but you have to assume that one extra lap he had to do made his tyres fall off the "cliff" the engineers talk about as he was a long way ahead of Massa starting that lap. Or he could have gone off or something, all i can do is speculate. Lets hope turkey brings more of the same. That doesn't make any sense. The strategy works from 18th but not 10th? It's the same strategy just 8 places higher. Rosberg pointed this out himself. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:52 Klive5ive wrote: That doesn't make any sense. The strategy works from 18th but not 10th? It's the same strategy just 8 places higher. Rosberg pointed this out himself. It works as a counter strategy, it wouldn't be nearly as effective if everybody was doing it. It has a couple of big problems as a winners strategy. You need to make passes. We saw many cars struggle to pass others that were the same pace, like the cars from Torro Rosso and Webber himself in the early portion of the race. If you ran into somebody else doing the same strategy but doing it simply slower you're sunk. If you run into a track/situation where you can't pass you're sunk. You put your race in others' hands. It's pretty dangerous just being amongst guys who aren't expecting points, let alone passing them. Being out of synch also leaves you at the mercy of safety cars. Every strategy looks better when a Red Bull does it. Vettel took second on a two stop strategy - a strategy I think it's fairly clear was not optimal today. Is the strategy something to seriously consider if you're not looking at the front two rows? Absolutely. Should the fastest cars be on it? I think not. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
lol @ Button pit stop | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13365 Posts
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Ho0ps
United Kingdom216 Posts
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Aosept
Germany6 Posts
On April 17 2011 22:24 Ho0ps wrote: Yeah it does feel like Webber is getting shafted by Red Bull, his car always has problems but he always drives it out of its skin. What would you do if you were the team owner of RB Racing ? Invest in a 23 year old World Champion or into a 34 year old driver, who by all means didn't win the championship last year although he was widely ahead at times. It's like this in pretty much every team, or at least in the ones aiming for the championship: one driver will be prefered over the other (i.e. Alonso/Massa) As well, it was Vettel who had the problems today. His KERS didn't work properly, while Webber's worked. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
On April 17 2011 19:52 Klive5ive wrote: That doesn't make any sense. The strategy works from 18th but not 10th? It's the same strategy just 8 places higher. Rosberg pointed this out himself. webbers strategy worked like a charm cause he had 3 sets of soft tires, due to him going out in the first round of qually, and only using 1 set of hards. thus he had an advantage in nearly every stint. thats why most of his overtakes were in the middle of the track corners, not on the back straight, cause he had that much more grip in the corners than others. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On April 18 2011 01:27 Aosept wrote: What would you do if you were the team owner of RB Racing ? Invest in a 23 year old World Champion or into a 34 year old driver, who by all means didn't win the championship last year although he was widely ahead at times. It's like this in pretty much every team, or at least in the ones aiming for the championship: one driver will be prefered over the other (i.e. Alonso/Massa) As well, it was Vettel who had the problems today. His KERS didn't work properly, while Webber's worked. Vettel was given every advantage last year, in terms or parts and strategy. As for your info about KERs.. Well Webber had no KERs for quali, Vettel did. They both Started the race with KERs, Webber's died on or before lap 24. Vettel's died and some unknown point, before lap ~50. | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Practice 1] + Last year's top time (dry): Hamilton (McLaren) 1:28.653 Weather conditions: Rain 1. Alonso (Ferrari) 1:38.670 (13 laps) 2. Rosberg (Mercedes) 1:40.072 (14 laps) 3. Schumacher (Mercedes) 1:40.132 (18 laps) 4. Heidfeld (Renault) 1:40.338 (9 laps) 5. Petrov (Renault) 1:40.401 (10 laps) 6. Kobayashi (Sauber) 1:40.421 (16 laps) 7. Massa (Ferrari) 1;40.697 (14 laps) 8. Ricciardo (Toro Rosso) 1:41.094 (18 laps) 9. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1:41.178 (22 laps) 10. Hülkenberg (Force India) 1:41.347 (16 laps) 11. Webber (Red Bull) 1:42.564 (5 laps) 12. Maldonado (Williams) 1:42.597 (7 laps) 13. di Resta (Force India) 1:43.525 (11 laps) 14. Barrichello (Williams) 1:43.913 (5 laps) 15. Trulli (Lotus) 1:43.986 (6 laps) 16. Liuzzi (HRT) 1:44.787 (20 laps) 17. Vettel (Red Bull) 1:44.954 (4 laps) 18. Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:45.183 (15 laps) 19. D'Ambrosio (Marussia-Virgin) 1:45.237 (11 laps) 107%-time = 1:45.576 20. Karthikeyan (HRT) 1:48.461 (8 laps) 21. Chandhok (Lotus) 1:51.676 (6 laps) 22. Perez (Sauber) 1:55.791 (13 laps) 23. Button (McLaren) 2:00.666 (4 laps) 24. Hamilton (McLaren) -no time- (1 lap) + Show Spoiler [Practice 2] + Last year's top time (dry): Button (McLaren) 1:28.280 1. Button (McLaren) 1:26.456 (26 laps) 2. Rosberg (Mercedes) 1:26.521 (29 laps) 3. Hamilton (McLaren) 1:27.033 (31 laps) 4. Schumacher (Mercedes) 1:27.063 (21 laps) 5. Webber (Red Bull) 1:27.149 (31 laps) 6. Massa (Ferrari) 1:27.340 (37 laps) 7. Petrov (Renault) 1:27.517 (37 laps) 8. di Resta (Force India) 1:27.725 (37 laps) 9. Perez (Sauber) 1:27.844 (32 laps) 10. Sutil (Force India) 1:28.052 (37 laps) 11. Alonso (Ferrari) 1:28.069 (27 laps) 12. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1:28.153 (36 laps) 13. Heidfeld (Renault) 1:28.475 (35 laps) 14. Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 1:28.765 (32 laps) 15. Maldonado (Williams) 1:28.828 (19 laps) 16. Barrichello (Williams) 1:28.946 (20 laps) 17. Trulli (Lotus) 1:29.409 (39 laps) 18. Kobayashi (Sauber) 1:29.637 (27 laps) 19. Kovalainen (Lotus) 1:30.281 (37 laps) 20. D'Ambrosio (Marussia-Virgin) 1:31.035 (28 laps) 21. Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:31.221 (22 laps) 22. Karthikeyan (HRT) 1:31.320 (29 laps) 23. Liuzzi (HRT) 1:31.989 (30 laps) 107%-time = 1:32.507 24. Vettel (Red Bull) -no time- (0 laps) + Show Spoiler [Practice 3] + Last year's top time: Vettel (Red Bull) 1:27.086 1. Vettel (Red Bull) 1:26.037 (17 laps) 2. Schumacher (Mercedes) 1:26.038 (17 laps) 3. Webber (Red Bull) 1:26.404 (16 laps) 4. Rosberg (Mercedes) 1:26.420 (19 laps) 5. Button (McLaren) 1:26.578 (17 laps) 6. Hamilton (McLaren) 1:26.726 (14 laps) 7. Petrov (Renault) 1:26.755 (20 laps) 8. Alonso (Ferrari) 1:26.819 (12 laps) 9. Massa (Ferrari) 1:26.883 (12 laps) 10. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1:27.080 (16 laps) 11. Perez (Sauber) 1:27.121 (20 laps) 12. Maldonado (Williams) 1:27.255 (18 laps) 13. Sutil (Force India) 1:27.318 (19 laps) 14. Heidfeld (Renault) 1:27.379 (17 laps) 15. Barrichello (Williams) 1:27.528 (19 laps) 16. di Resta (Force India) 1:27.644 (18 laps) 17. Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 1:27.724 (15 laps) 18. Kobayashi (Sauber) 1:27.976 (19 laps) 19. Kovalainen (Lotus) 1:28.911 (15 laps) 20. Trulli (Lotus) 1:29.697 (17 laps) 21. D'Ambrosio (Marussia-Virgin) 1:31.097 (25 laps) 22. Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:31.175 (19 laps) 23. Liuzzi (HRT) 1:31.375 (19 laps) 24. Karthikeyan (HRT) 1:32.009 (15 laps) + Show Spoiler [Qualifying] + Last year's top time: Webber (Red Bull) 1:26.295 1. Vettel (Red Bull) 1:25.049 (12 laps) 2. Webber (Red Bull) 1:25.454 (10 laps) 3. Rosberg (Mercedes) 1:25.574 (15 laps) 4. Hamilton (McLaren) 1:25.595 (13 laps) 5. Alonso (Ferrari) 1:25.851 (16 laps) 6. Button (McLaren) 1:25.982 (14 laps) 7. Petrov (Renault) 1:26.296 (15 laps) 8. Schumacher (Mercedes) 1:26.646 (13 laps) 9. Heidfeld (Renault) 1:26.659 (13 laps) 10. Massa (Ferrari) -no time- (16 laps) --- 11. Barrichello (Williams) 1:26.764 (10 laps) 12. Sutil (Force India) 1:27.027 (14 laps) 13. di Resta (Force India) 1:27.145 (11 laps) 14. Maldonado (Williams) 1:27.236 (14 laps) 15. Perez (Sauber) 1:27.244 (11 laps) 16. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 1:27.255 (9 laps) 17. Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 1:27.572 (7 laps) --- 18. Kovalainen (Lotus) 1:28.780 (8 laps) 19. Trulli (Lotus) 1:29.673 (8 laps) 20. D'Ambrosio (Marussia-Virgin) 1:30.445 (8 laps) 21. Liuzzi (HRT) 1:30.692 (7 laps) 22. Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 1:30.813 (8 laps) 23. Karthikeyan (HRT) 1:31.564 (8 laps) 107%-time = 1:33.103 DNQ Kobayashi (Sauber) -no time- (2 laps) + Show Spoiler [Starting grid] + 1. Vettel (Red Bull) 2. Webber (Red Bull) 3. Rosberg (Mercedes) 4. Hamilton (McLaren) 5. Alonso (Ferrari) 6. Button (McLaren) 7. Petrov (Renault) 8. Schumacher (Mercedes) 9. Heidfeld (Renault) 10. Massa (Ferrari) 11. Barrichello (Williams) 12. Sutil (Force India) 13. di Resta (Force India) 14. Maldonado (Williams) 15. Perez (Sauber) 16. Buemi (Toro Rosso) 17. Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 18. Kovalainen (Lotus) 19. Trulli (Lotus) 20. Liuzzi (HRT) 21. Glock (Marussia-Virgin) 22. Karthikeyan (HRT) 23. Kobayashi (Sauber) 24. D'Ambrosio (Marussia-Virgin) (+5 pos. penalty - disrespecting yellow flag) + Show Spoiler [Race] + The Red Bull badasses stepping out of their cars 2 mintues before the end of Q3, because they just know what the result is going to be ... lol ... | ||
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Insight.9
United Kingdom79 Posts
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Mob
Austria152 Posts
RB 1-2, but it will be closer than before. mercedes and mclaren will have exciting battles for 3-5 | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
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Scythe90
Australia137 Posts
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jaebigdong
87 Posts
i love this track in turkey but unless the RB cars hit each other again, this race could potentially be a real snoozefest. | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
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