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That's just King on his soapbox. Every old timer sports writer thinks that they have some right to force their opinions as a grand narrative or something. But yeah, Peter King is a fat dummy, in this case.
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I don't see the point he's trying to make. Yeah 5 years will give us time to think about it, but that will do nothing but help Randy. No one is going to give a shit about his antics in Oakland or his last season (though i doubt hes really retiring) after looking at his stats 5 years from now.
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well the 5 year thing is mandatory, so that's whatever
however this is the issue:
"Dogging it in Oakland is a big one. The whole issue of "being a distraction,'' or whatever acting like a selfish kid should be called, is something else, but I've never really been clear about whether we should consider that even remotely, seeing that we're asked to consider a player's on-field performance only."
The dude put up 60-1000-8 in his first year and then had a 550yd follow up season. That's commendable with that surrounding cast of hacks they had those two seasons. Nevermind the fact that a year of crappy play becomes totally irrelevant when it's sandwiched between 12 other years of straight dominance.
King whole 'being a distraction' bit makes me want to kick him in his fat head
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On August 01 2011 16:32 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well. Are you really comparing the FA signings of the Eagles this year to the absolutely terrible FA signing of the Redskins under the Cerato/Snyder regime? Beyond the fact the fact Cerato and Snyder might be the worst talent evaluators in the NFL, the players they signed the big names they signed during those years ALL had massive red flags that the front office ignored. Which would be a stark contrast to the FA that the Eagles picked up this year. That all being said you may have your years off by a few. Bruce Smith/ Jeff George/ Deion Sanders was 2000. 2002 had Trotter. 2003 was the Jet-Skins. While 2002/2003 were massive busts I doubt anyone outside the koolaid drinking homers thought that the 2002/2003 FA classes were going to significantly improve the Skins to Superbowl material (esp under the Fun'n'Gun with Spurrier). Any signings in 2004 being highly regarding came solely from the Joe Gibbs factor. That being the fact that if Joe Gibbs (the man who won 3 Super Bowls for the Redskins) liked a player, then that player would help lead the Skins to Superbowl #4 end of story.
Having suffered through all of those I hope the Eagles will bomb out.
Cullen Jenkins does have injury history,... Babin does have a bit of an injury history too.
I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately.
We'll see how their new D-coordinator does as well. And if Vick can stay injury free...... Vince young coming in is like a poor man versino of Vick so if teams can figure them out like they started to do last year then Young will probably do poorly especially in a new system.
edit: lol
BREAKING NEWS: #Eagles have agreed to terms with former Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown on a one-year deal.
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Also, as much as I don't like Randy Moss all that much he should be a sure fire HOFer. 5th in yds and 2td in TDs to Rice... completely dominated games in his prime.
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On August 03 2011 03:35 Hawk wrote:
Asante Samuel has already been bitchin about the moves because he pretty much got moved to nickel back despite being a top 5 corner in the league or so. The d coord was apparently stressing how important it is for teams to have three or even four good corners with the way offenses are going these days, but I really just am not seeing it.
It's not as if these 2nd and third WRs are that good on most teams. It's that most teams that find success spreading it around like that have really fucking good QBs (pats, Colts) and thrive on exploiting the defenses that are put out there. They're not going head to head in these engagements and ccoming out on top/
Don't understand why. He's way better than Rodgers-Cromartie. Makes more sense to move DRC to nickel since he's more limited and more prone to being burned while gambling. Though Asante does gamble a lot, too.
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On August 03 2011 05:43 eshlow wrote:
I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately.
We'll see how their new D-coordinator does as well. And if Vick can stay injury free...... Vince young coming in is like a poor man versino of Vick so if teams can figure them out like they started to do last year then Young will probably do poorly especially in a new system.
edit: lol
BREAKING NEWS: #Eagles have agreed to terms with former Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown on a one-year deal.
That's crazy. Asomugha is amazing. He is, without a doubt, one of the top 10 football players in the NFL. There is a huge marginal difference between lining up Asomugha and lining up good but not great corners, like Brandon Flowers or Vontae Davis. Could Nnamdi suddenly hit a wall athletically? Yeah, I suppose that's possible, but that's possible for any player in the NFL. Would you be saying the same thing if the signing had been Andre Johnson or Demarcus Ware?
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On August 03 2011 06:01 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 03:35 Hawk wrote:
Asante Samuel has already been bitchin about the moves because he pretty much got moved to nickel back despite being a top 5 corner in the league or so. The d coord was apparently stressing how important it is for teams to have three or even four good corners with the way offenses are going these days, but I really just am not seeing it.
It's not as if these 2nd and third WRs are that good on most teams. It's that most teams that find success spreading it around like that have really fucking good QBs (pats, Colts) and thrive on exploiting the defenses that are put out there. They're not going head to head in these engagements and ccoming out on top/ Don't understand why. He's way better than Rodgers-Cromartie. Makes more sense to move DRC to nickel since he's more limited and more prone to being burned while gambling. Though Asante does gamble a lot, too.
I dun think he's bitching about the moves so much as he's bitching about not knowing if they're replacing him or not.
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On August 03 2011 05:44 eshlow wrote:
Also, as much as I don't like Randy Moss all that much he should be a sure fire HOFer. 5th in yds and 2td in TDs to Rice... completely dominated games in his prime.
Riddle me this. Assuming Moss makes it in, what team does he go in as? Patriot, where he won his super bowls and was part of a record setting offense, or Vikings where he exploded onto the NFL and was part of a different record setting offense?
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On August 03 2011 06:38 justalex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 05:44 eshlow wrote:
Also, as much as I don't like Randy Moss all that much he should be a sure fire HOFer. 5th in yds and 2td in TDs to Rice... completely dominated games in his prime. Riddle me this. Assuming Moss makes it in, what team does he go in as? Patriot, where he won his super bowls and was part of a record setting offense, or Vikings where he exploded onto the NFL and was part of a different record setting offense?
Vikes makes sense, but he loves him some Bill Belly. Isn't it up to the player?
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 fuck Seattle has decimated their roster this offseason, I guess carroll hoping to be good in 3 years from now as whitehurst or jackson are not real qbs. Then again maybe we get to the second round with a losing record again.
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On August 03 2011 06:38 justalex wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 05:44 eshlow wrote:
Also, as much as I don't like Randy Moss all that much he should be a sure fire HOFer. 5th in yds and 2td in TDs to Rice... completely dominated games in his prime. Riddle me this. Assuming Moss makes it in, what team does he go in as? Patriot, where he won his super bowls and was part of a record setting offense, or Vikings where he exploded onto the NFL and was part of a different record setting offense?
If only he ever won a superbowl with the patriots...
Only sb he has been in was the loss to the giants.
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Lol Moss wishes he won super bowls.
Wes Welker also has people thinking he has rings.
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On August 03 2011 06:51 bigjenk wrote: fuck Seattle has decimated their roster this offseason, I guess carroll hoping to be good in 3 years from now as whitehurst or jackson are not real qbs. Then again maybe we get to the second round with a losing record again.
The Seahawks have added more talent then they lost. They just signed Zach Miller, who is a great TE. Sydney Rice is a great WR. Tatupu and Hasselbeck are not as good as they used to be and they haven't been able to get through a season without injury. Tavaris Jackson is not as bad as people make him out to be. They weren't going to be contenders with Hasselbeck, so to me it's better to get younger while adding talent.
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Nah, Tavaris sucks pretty hard. I sure as shit would not want him starting for my team.
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What the fuuuuuuuuck.
Ronnie Brown to the Eagles.
And Seahawks sniped Zach Miller.
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On August 03 2011 05:43 eshlow wrote:
I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately.
Whoa whoa whoa! Really? You haven't been watching a lot of football have you? There's a reason why no one throws on Asomugha's side of the field and that's because when you throw to a receiver covering him, it's almost guaranteed an automatic INT.
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Wow, you can't believe how happy I am to see this thread revived.
It's hard for me to follow stuff right now, so I'll be relying on this thread/the thread to come for a lot of info. :D
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On August 03 2011 07:00 Pangolin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 06:51 bigjenk wrote: fuck Seattle has decimated their roster this offseason, I guess carroll hoping to be good in 3 years from now as whitehurst or jackson are not real qbs. Then again maybe we get to the second round with a losing record again. The Seahawks have added more talent then they lost. They just signed Zach Miller, who is a great TE. Sydney Rice is a great WR. Tatupu and Hasselbeck are not as good as they used to be and they haven't been able to get through a season without injury. Tavaris Jackson is not as bad as people make him out to be. They weren't going to be contenders with Hasselbeck, so to me it's better to get younger while adding talent.
Yeah they won the division last year, but the NFC West blew last year. Hasslebeck pulls out an occasional great game (like vs the Saints), but for the most part he's done. TJ is not the answer though, I actually think they dropped off significantly in QB position and that's going to hurt them. I'm surprised they picked up Miller? Carlson always hit me as a pretty good TE, maybe not as good as Miller, but certainly a more than capable TE. Also... having two starting-caliber TEs cut in the same mold (the pass catching TE with subpar blocking skills) strikes me as odd. I like their RB-by-committee-scheme since it helps minimize the weaknesses of each player and keeps them fresh. I can't see them repeating division winner unless Bradford regresses in his 2nd year.
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Carlson had a good rookie season and has gotten worse every year since. He had only 31 receptions last year, or something close that. He is also a holdover from the old regime, and the new gm (whose name I forget atm) and Carrol have no qualms about getting rid of guys who used to be good but aren't showing it anymore. Basically, I wouldn't be surprised if Carlson gets cut. If not, well there's nothing wrong with running a 2 TE scheme, New England uses Gronkowski and Hernandez after all.
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