On August 03 2011 05:43 eshlow wrote: I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately.
Can you guys read?
I said he was going to be solid. Or extremely reliable if you want to put it that way.
When teams play against the eagles this season I expect they will go more towards 2 TE sets and running the ball to neutralize the effectiveness of the Eagles CBs.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles trade Samuels either.
Don't make this about our reading. Either you were wrong and can't admit it or you wrote a bad sentence. Look at that sentence again. Why would you put "unfortunately" if you're praising him? We're telling you he's more than solid (or extremely reliable, if you want to put it that way;) if one player is going to make an entire team go into a 2 TE set more often, then he's already doing more than a great job.
As stated, I'm a REdskins fan. We play them 2x per year. Of course I want him to fail and fail hard.
If you had been in this thread for a while you would know this, and now you're just nitpicking.
I specifically said "I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately." which obviously means that" AT WORST he will be" (e,g. can't see him being anything other than) solid. I already know he's been playing at #1 or #2 CB level although I am hoping that his age will start catching up with him so he downgrades significantly. We'll see though.
On August 04 2011 10:02 Southlight wrote: Also uhh, you realize top-end CBs have been put on TEs a lot, in the past, right? Like Champ Bailey on Gates. I have no idea how they'll use Nnamdi but they've got a lot of options with that trio, unless they trade one of them, and so it wouldn't surprise me if you try to go 2TE and they just stick one of their all-star CBs on the top TE :p
Unfortunately, Asomugha does have the size to cover TEs... most of the better CBs don't. I think he would be more useful on the pure island, but they do have that option with 2 other good CBs which sucks.
Fortunately, our team has 2 good TEs so we can still create some mismatches..... although Beck/Grossman isn't exactly the combo you want throwing the ball, lol.
On August 04 2011 10:02 Southlight wrote: Also uhh, you realize top-end CBs have been put on TEs a lot, in the past, right? Like Champ Bailey on Gates. I have no idea how they'll use Nnamdi but they've got a lot of options with that trio, unless they trade one of them, and so it wouldn't surprise me if you try to go 2TE and they just stick one of their all-star CBs on the top TE :p
Well, no cornerback in history, be he Rod Woodson or Deion Sanders or Nnamdi Asomugha, would make a team remove their best wideout from the majority of their plays. Could you imagine the Cardinals taking out Larry Fitzgerald or the Atlanta keeping Roddy White on the sidelines? No, they'll be in the game for 85-95% of the snaps. That's where Asomugha will be.
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As stated, I'm a REdskins fan. We play them 2x per year. Of course I want him to fail and fail hard.
If you had been in this thread for a while you would know this, and now you're just nitpicking.
With all due respect, I'm not nitpicking anything. You asked if I could read. You could say that, "I hope Nnamdi is just a little above average." Or "I hope he suffers a bone bruise and can't play us." I don't care who you root for, it's fine whichever team it is, but that wasn't what you wrote. You said that "you can't imagine Nnamdi Asomugha being anything more than solid." Not, "Boy, I sure wish he is just average."
With all due respect, I'm not nitpicking anything. You asked if I could read. You could say that, "I hope Nnamdi is just a little above average." Or "I hope he suffers a bone bruise and can't play us." I don't care who you root for, it's fine whichever team it is, but that wasn't what you wrote. You said that "you can't imagine Nnamdi Asomugha being anything more than solid." Not, "Boy, I sure wish he is just average."
Sorry, you're absolutely wrong. You clearly read what I said wrong... here I'll do a side by side comparison.
"you can't imagine Nnamdi Asomugha being anything more than solid." "I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately."
which means that "AT WORST he will be solid", and at best you can take it to the literal meaning of "he will be solid at best" which is the worst case scenario. However, given the context of my post assessing the other Eagles FA signings, I am obviously complimenting him.
I will admit it is a poorly worded statement, but not incorrect like you and the other guy are claiming.
With all due respect, I'm not nitpicking anything. You asked if I could read. You could say that, "I hope Nnamdi is just a little above average." Or "I hope he suffers a bone bruise and can't play us." I don't care who you root for, it's fine whichever team it is, but that wasn't what you wrote. You said that "you can't imagine Nnamdi Asomugha being anything more than solid." Not, "Boy, I sure wish he is just average."
Sorry, you're absolutely wrong. You clearly read what I said wrong... here I'll do a side by side comparison.
"you can't imagine Nnamdi Asomugha being anything more than solid." "I can't imagine Asomugha being anything other than solid unfortunately."
which means that "AT WORST he will be solid", and at best you can take it to the literal meaning of "he will be solid at best" which is the worst case scenario. However, given the context of my post assessing the other Eagles FA signings, I am obviously complimenting him.
I will admit it is a poorly worded statement, but not incorrect like you and the other guy are claiming.
No, you're right. My bad. I suppose I read "other" as a limiter and that's not what you meant. Sorry for giving you a hard time.
Yo you guys need to chill. If i was a Redskins fan I'd hope Asomugha breaks his legs on the first play of the 2011 season running into DRC giving him a concussion... ok maybe not that extreme, I'm not that spiteful of a person, but haha man it must suck being a Redskins fan right now. I just looked at their roster and uhh your guys offense needs help bad. I'm a niners fan and I wouldn't want any of your QBs on my roster lol.
In good news (for me) the niners signed two actual legit players! I've been told that Carlos Rogers has stone hands and can be a prick at times, but that he's actually a really good cover corner... really underrated. Eshlow can you confirm this?
We also picked up Jonathan Goodwin from the Saints a Pro Bowl center. Now I can't really judge players based on Pro Bowls (like half the people elected sit out of them anyways), but he still seems like a solid addition and someone who can anchor the line for a few years (3 years at 10 mill? pretty cheap for a good center). He's a bit old (32) but at least this gives us time to draft + groom a replacement.
We're also in talks for picking up a WR, either Edwards or Malcom Floyd... not sure how I feel about either of these pickups, but it's not like the 49ers don't need the depth at this point...
On August 04 2011 10:46 nemY wrote: Yo you guys need to chill. If i was a Redskins fan I'd hope Asomugha breaks his legs on the first play of the 2011 season running into DRC giving him a concussion... ok maybe not that extreme, I'm not that spiteful of a person, but haha man it must suck being a Redskins fan right now. I just looked at their roster and uhh your guys offense needs help bad. I'm a niners fan and I wouldn't want any of your QBs on my roster lol.
In good news (for me) the niners signed two actual legit players! I've been told that Carlos Rogers has stone hands and can be a prick at times, but that he's actually a really good cover corner... really underrated. Eshlow can you confirm this?
We also picked up Jonathan Goodwin from the Saints a Pro Bowl center. Now I can't really judge players based on Pro Bowls (like half the people elected sit out of them anyways), but he still seems like a solid addition and someone who can anchor the line for a few years (3 years at 10 mill? pretty cheap for a good center). He's a bit old (32) but at least this gives us time to draft + groom a replacement.
We're also in talks for picking up a WR, either Edwards or Malcom Floyd... not sure how I feel about either of these pickups, but it's not like the 49ers don't need the depth at this point...
That assessment of Rogers is pretty good. I've seen him wear some good WR's like a jacket, but at times, it looks ...well...his hands look bad lol You could certainly do a lot worse at corner, that's for sure
Saying Carlos Rogers has "stone hands" is demeaning to people with stone hands. Its that bad. Expect this: anytime he should have a clear pick.
He also developed a REALLY bad tendency last year to bite on the double move (or a good habit if your team is also in the NFC East like mine). Which is an interesting issue to have considering that even if the man could jump the route, he never could catch the ball.
On August 04 2011 10:46 nemY wrote: Yo you guys need to chill. If i was a Redskins fan I'd hope Asomugha breaks his legs on the first play of the 2011 season running into DRC giving him a concussion... ok maybe not that extreme, I'm not that spiteful of a person, but haha man it must suck being a Redskins fan right now. I just looked at their roster and uhh your guys offense needs help bad. I'm a niners fan and I wouldn't want any of your QBs on my roster lol.
In good news (for me) the niners signed two actual legit players! I've been told that Carlos Rogers has stone hands and can be a prick at times, but that he's actually a really good cover corner... really underrated. Eshlow can you confirm this?
We also picked up Jonathan Goodwin from the Saints a Pro Bowl center. Now I can't really judge players based on Pro Bowls (like half the people elected sit out of them anyways), but he still seems like a solid addition and someone who can anchor the line for a few years (3 years at 10 mill? pretty cheap for a good center). He's a bit old (32) but at least this gives us time to draft + groom a replacement.
We're also in talks for picking up a WR, either Edwards or Malcom Floyd... not sure how I feel about either of these pickups, but it's not like the 49ers don't need the depth at this point...
Rogers was actually bad last year.... allowing 70% of the passes thrown his way to be completed. Like Blood said he bit on the double move a lot.
Ummm, I mean he's relatively good when he's playing well, but he rarely gets the INT. And when he's playing bad he can lose you the game (like any other corner though). But since he is big he is able to cover against big receivers fine ok.
I am fine not bringing him back at all for us. Hopefully he works out for you guys.....
Niners sending a mass email to every other team in the NFL asking if they'd like to make a trade for Taylor Mays. Fucking Genius. Way to drrrrrrive up that value!
On August 05 2011 05:36 nemY wrote: Niners sending a mass email to every other team in the NFL asking if they'd like to make a trade for Taylor Mays. Fucking Genius. Way to drrrrrrive up that value!
Yeah that was brilliant. I dont get why they're trying to move him.
What's everyone's take on WHitner??
Edwards is odd and wont matter much with Smith throwing and him playing behind a meh line
Haha. Have you guys been reading up on your fantasy stuff?? So many bad analysts are calling for Vick to go #1. That is retarded, but it will at least free up someone else good for me in all my drafts because I know there's a moron in at least each one of my leagues who will take him in the top 3
The whole logic of taking him so high flies in the face of normal ff logic: Don't take an older player who just came off of a career year that's miles above his career averages. That should be reason #1 above alll else. There's also what you miss by taking him, namely the fact that you'll miss on a top feature runner (far more rare than high scoring QBs, since there's probably 7 real good ones this year) and you will definitely want to draft a better than average backup QB when he goes down
Then there's Vick-specific reasons: You can safely bet that he'll probably miss at least 2-4 games due to injury because of his playstyle. Teams will be gameplanning for him now, and they will have a whole year's worth of Vick tape from his Eagles time, not studying how to play Vick vased on 2006 tape from when he was with the Falcons. While the Eagles' system is perfectly tailored to his skills by Reid, it's not exactly very deep. It's all variations on screens to McCoy, Bombs to Jackson and deep outs to Maclin.
also, we need people for the TL FANTASY LEAGUE!!!!
The whole logic of taking him so high flies in the face of normal ff logic: Don't take an older player who just came off of a career year that's miles above his career averages
the more specific reason is that vick autowon everyone's leagues last year because you instantly got the #1 fantasy QB ON TOP OF your first round pick. that isn't happening this year. going to be a surprise for a lot of people when vick puts up 40 points but they get smacked up at rb/wr
The whole logic of taking him so high flies in the face of normal ff logic: Don't take an older player who just came off of a career year that's miles above his career averages
the more specific reason is that vick autowon everyone's leagues last year because you instantly got the #1 fantasy QB ON TOP OF your first round pick. that isn't happening this year. going to be a surprise for a lot of people when vick puts up 40 points but they get smacked up at rb/wr
Yeah thats another big one too.
The pro-Vick argument to that is basically, he did all that while not playing 16, so if you prorate it, he scores like 400 something points, which is that much higher than the next QB that it makes it worth it to eat the losses at WR/RB.
There's so many variables at play in that logic, moreso than any other high draft pick, that it just doesn't make sense. I don't really fuck with big gambles like that until the 3rd/4th round at least. Even then, still. But it's exactly like you said. People rode Vick because a lot of people scooped up a 1st/2nd rnd player in probably the 10th round in most leagues.
The whole logic of taking him so high flies in the face of normal ff logic: Don't take an older player who just came off of a career year that's miles above his career averages
the more specific reason is that vick autowon everyone's leagues last year because you instantly got the #1 fantasy QB ON TOP OF your first round pick. that isn't happening this year. going to be a surprise for a lot of people when vick puts up 40 points but they get smacked up at rb/wr
Yeah thats another big one too.
The pro-Vick argument to that is basically, he did all that while not playing 16, so if you prorate it, he scores like 400 something points, which is that much higher than the next QB that it makes it worth it to eat the losses at WR/RB.
There's so many variables at play in that logic, moreso than any other high draft pick, that it just doesn't make sense. I don't really fuck with big gambles like that until the 3rd/4th round at least. Even then, still. But it's exactly like you said. People rode Vick because a lot of people scooped up a 1st/2nd rnd player in probably the 10th round in most leagues.
Matthew Berry extrapolated Vick's performance last year (300 points on the dot) to if he had played the whole season. Those numbers came to season total of 449 points (Adrian Foster was #1 last year with 313). Here is the article, its a fun read even if you don't agree with parts of it. http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=NFLDK2K11_TMRManifesto
That being said I do not plan on drafting Vick unless he drops real low again for some reason. I also would love to play in a TL fantasy league.
Wait, are people saying to take vick first OVERALL in the draft or first out of QBs?
Taking him first overall is obviously insanity, like taking any QB would be. Taking him first out of QBs, as long as your league isnt nuts and takes QBs super early, i guess i can easily see. I mean he's a gamble, but most likely worth it. He WILL be injured, but when he does play he truly is dominant. Sure teams may play better against him this year, but just his rushing skills alone mean in the weeks he DOES play he is practically a 100% lock for 20+ a week and sometimes exploding for like 40. I'd take that for 11 games and use some matchup specific back up the rest.
I guess my only question is what round he goes in. I'd be hard pressed to take any QB before like the early third.
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By the way someone should start an Official 2011 NFL season thread.
Yeah the article that bloodninja linked is one of the ones I read.
It's still a whacky argument. It's like drafting Brady with one of the top three picks after the 50 TD year and expecting him to hit 50TD again. Sooooo many people went absurdly high with that pick
sixfour really nailed why it's a bad move to be drafting him so high, and why is value is so inflated. Late first, early second, I could see the logic in that. I just always think that if you have a crack at a top 5 RB who gets anywhere near 300 carries or like 85% of looks, you go with him over the QB.
maybe a mod could just rename this thread, since it contains a whole bunch of relevant stuff. Unless someone wants to undertake the massive task of organizing major moves!
i have vick at about 7-8 overall fwiw and the clear #1 qb. depends on the scoring, if it's 6/passing td or ppr i probably drop him out of the first round
[B]We're also in talks for picking up a WR, either Edwards or Malcom Floyd... not sure how I feel about either of these pickups, but it's not like the 49ers don't need the depth at this point...
As a Jets fan, I'm telling you right now Edwards will drive you nuts. He has this terribly annoying habit of dropping easy passes on 1st/2nd down. It totally kills momentum when he just throws away a 10-20 yard gain. You'll see if you pick him up.
Any fellow Jets fans on TL? Need to start getting ready to follow in Rex's footsteps and trash talk all the non-Jets-fans. <3 Ryan so much :D
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