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KOFgokuon
United States14887 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On August 25 2011 04:04 KOFgokuon wrote: eh, I would still prefer to have someone that can at least MOVE in the pocket. I mean Tom Brady isn't fast by any means and he's certainly a drop back under center qb that doesn't look to run, but he does move around pretty well to avoid rushes. Same with Drew Brees. He isn't nearly as slow and clunky as Peyton or Palmer Peyton Manning has excellent pocket presence, and pocket footwork, just as Brady does. Neither guy is statuesque in the pocket. They use minor movements to throw defenders off. Step up, or to the side, a shoulder roll. I think that maybe I misspoke (typed?) a bit when I said that a pure pocket guy is ideal. To me, the ideal QB for all around play is someone like Brees or Rodgers. Someone that can scramble around a bit, and maybe take off for 10-15 occasionally when absolutely nothing is there, or if a play has broken down horribly. Brees and Rodgers are what I would define as semi-mobile. Because guys like Manning, Brady, Palmer . . . I can't really think of a lot more, those guys are about as close to immobile as you get (except someone like Bledsblow), and someone like Vick, VY, McNabb, Freeman . . . those are pretty mobile to very mobile QB's. Still, you can't argue with the success of pure drop back, pocket guys. I don't think we're disagreeing by any stretch, though. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On August 25 2011 07:23 BloodNinja wrote: Did someone say Tony Romo? Being good is the first requirement. If he didn't suck, he would be awesome. hahaha Seriously though, Tony Romo defines the term "average QB" in my mind. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On August 24 2011 11:56 nemY wrote: Uhh... Josh Freeman, Michael Vick, Donnovan McNabb, and David Garrard would all beg to differ with your opinion. Really, Donovan McNabb is the only unmitigated success in that list. David Garrard is miles away, you may as well say Aaron Brooks was a success in the fourth round. I guess Josh Freeman could be a Ben Roethlisberger type QB. Look, maybe "always bust" was a bad choice of words and I can understand why people disagree with my basic point but I've thought about it for some time. I just wouldn't draft a black QB in the first round if I owned a football team in the current environment. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On August 25 2011 07:32 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Being good is the first requirement. If he didn't suck, he would be awesome. hahaha Seriously though, Tony Romo defines the term "average QB" in my mind. I thought the conversation was a pocket QB who also has the ability to take off on a broken play. Someone who can make a play with his feet if needed. As for skill he isn't Rogers or Brees, but he is definitely above average. That is a completely separate discussion though. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On August 25 2011 07:33 slyboogie wrote: Really, Donovan McNabb is the only unmitigated success in that list. David Garrard is miles away, you may as well say Aaron Brooks was a success in the fourth round. I guess Josh Freeman could be a Ben Roethlisberger type QB. Look, maybe "always bust" was a bad choice of words and I can understand why people disagree with my basic point but I've thought about it for some time. I just wouldn't draft a black QB in the first round if I owned a football team in the current environment. In regards to David Garrard, not a lot of 4th rd or later draft picks develop into decent starting QBs. For every Tom Brady, Tony Romo or Matt Cassel (I'm running low on examples here lol) there's a plethora of mid/late rd QBs who are drafted/signed as rookie FAs who do nothing in the NFL. I would call Garrard a success (although I agree with SweetLemons that he's on his way out). I get what your saying about race being a determining factor in a QBs grade. I'm just saying you've got to look deeper into it than just race. I wouldn't have picked Cam Newton with the first pick if I were the Panthers because there are a lot of things that concern me about him. Maybe he'll go on to prove me wrong, maybe he won't. At the same time I'm ok with the 49ers drafting CK in the early second round because while he's definitely raw (and a bit of a reach in my eyes) the Raiders were vying for him and you know the Raiders will reach on anybody if they really want to draft that player  | ||
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