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On August 23 2011 02:05 BloodNinja wrote:Don't worry, in 5 years it will be the NFFL (National Flag Football League). Then we won't have to worry about these silly fines or late hits ever again. Can any Broncos fans tell me what is up with Tebow? All I heard over the weekend was that he is looking aboslutley terrible and is easily the worst QB on the roster at this point. I heard someone on ESPN breakdown some of Tebow issues this offseason: Different release points when throwing to different parts of the field, terrible accuracy, staring down recievers as much as Jamarcus Russel. I personally didn't think Tebow would cut it as an NFL QB, but he had so much hype leading into this season it felt like.
JESUS DONT WANT ME FOR STARTING QB
STARTING QBS ARE NOT MADE LIKE ME
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Moore was obviously supposed to stop instantly from full speed and not hit the receiver.
Jokes aside, Moore was running at the receiver to make him drop the ball/knock him out of bounds if he caught it. A clean football play. If he was trying to be a douche and hurt the receiver late on purpose, it's a definite penalty, but Moore was just trying to make a play on the ball, and when the receiver dropped it Moore was already committed and it's not like he could stop like he's in the Matrix.
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They basically just call plays fouls if it looks violent. What exactly happened in the play doesnt seem to matter.
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On August 23 2011 03:18 DannyJ wrote:
They basically just call plays fouls if it looks violent. What exactly happened in the play doesnt seem to matter.
Yeah the hit on Ocho was another example... sure, it was helmet to helmet but it was practically unavoidable! WTF is the defender supposed to do?? Seriously, I understand the desire to prevent head injuries (I remember getting dizzy after on a few occasions) but they can't just penalize something that players have very little control over unless they try to change the entire game! (flag football anyone?)
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Well the logic is that you're not supposed to be leading with your helmet in the first place.
And bonus chance for a penalty if the player who got hit is hurt.
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On August 23 2011 04:14 Ferrose wrote:
Well the logic is that you're not supposed to be leading with your helmet in the first place.
And bonus chance for a penalty if the player who got hit is hurt.
It's one thing to penalize someone for "leading with the helmet" (sure, I get that) but penalize any incidental helmet to helmet contact... (or add to the penalty just b/c there was an injury - we'll start seeing players stay down soccer style..)
ok I'm done ranting, hopefully they're just being extra cautious in the preseason to remind players to be careful.
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Hit looked Legitimate to me. Sure the reciever was "defenseless" but he was going for the ball. He didn't lead with his head and he didn't contact his head first. I really despise these rules because its just a lose-lose situation for defenders and promotes more penalties.
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On August 23 2011 04:14 Ferrose wrote:
Well the logic is that you're not supposed to be leading with your helmet in the first place.
And bonus chance for a penalty if the player who got hit is hurt.
I only saw the Ocho hit once, so I forget what that was like, but the one I posted was most definitely not helmet to helmet.
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Of course the Raiders would take Terrelle Pryor. And they blew a 3rd round pick on him -_-
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On August 23 2011 06:34 Ferrose wrote:
Of course the Raiders would take Terrelle Pryor. And they blew a 3rd round pick on him -_-
They need to shift their name into a different subject in the news. All Oakland had going for it in the national news coverage was the brawls by fans during the game and a shooting after the 49ers Vs Raiders game (Not to mention the ending of the traditional 49ers/Raiders game as a result).
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On August 23 2011 06:34 Ferrose wrote:
Of course the Raiders would take Terrelle Pryor. And they blew a 3rd round pick on him -_-
Did you see his 40 time? Of course they drafted him!
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Of course the Raiders would take Terrelle Pryor. And they blew a 3rd round pick on him -_-
There's no way he plays quaterback in the NFL. They'll be lucky to develop him into a receiver. He was overrated at Ohio St and that's going to show when he takes his first NFL snaps.
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speaking of overrated, anyone catch any Newton highlights?? Very meh. I would not be happy if I were steve Smith. Olson, however....
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You know, I feel kinda glad that Tom Cable got fired now. Yeah it was BS since he had the Raiders doing well, but that guy is a legit coach, and deserves better than the Raiders.
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This is going to sound outrageously racist, but I would never draft a black quarterback in the first round, given the current environment of athletics. Let me stress that I am not saying that black men can't be quarterbacks because of their race, I mean that there is an institutional disadvantage to being a black quarterback in college.
I can't even remember the last young black qb that was given the "NFL" ready label. Frankly, until college teams start coaching black quarterbacks the same way they coach white ones, it's always going to be a risk.
Again, I'm not a racist. The system produces risky prospects at the quarterback position.
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uhhhhh, look at the systems that most of those qbs play in. Most black QBs come into college with superb running abilities, and their ability to make stuff happen outside of the pocket is what coaches utilize. The college game is highly built on speed, and that kind of talent is perfect for options, spreads and all that kind of stuff that is hardly used in the pro game at all.
it's hardly a color thing there. There's plenty of white QBs who land in one of those college only type systems. Pretty much anyone Urban Meyer has coached is sure to blow ass as an NFL QB because his system plays almost exclusively out of the shotgun, relies heavily on QB rushing, and very quick reads--shit that does not translate over to the pro game at all due to much better d's, bigger defensive players and the general limitations of that package.
Very few QBs are given the nfl ready label coming out, and the ones that are almost always played in a pro style offense. For example, the 49ers, in all their infinite wisdom (also known as Mike Nolan's fucking ego) decided to pass on Aaron Rodgers, who played in a pro system, for Alex Smith, who played in Urban Meyer's gimmicky fuck system.
Shit it's just really hard to think of someone who was not in a college system recently. I think Gabbart was the only hgih profile pick from this past year. Auburn did not run anything complex with Newton
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@Hawk - The first ones that come to mind for me were Mark Sanchez and Matt Ryan recently. Both came from more pro-styled offenses (USC in particular).
I think you hit the issue on the head though. The college game is fundamentally different than the NFL when you are discussing the speed at which a team plays. Its why sometimes physically gifted college athletes struggle in the NFL. That blazing college WR who blew by everyone now has to deal the biggest, most physical CBs he ha ever seen and they are still able to run with him down field. Same goes for mobile QBs that scrambled a lot in college (imo).
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On August 23 2011 13:45 Hawk wrote:
uhhhhh, look at the systems that most of those qbs play in. Most black QBs come into college with superb running abilities, and their ability to make stuff happen outside of the pocket is what coaches utilize. The college game is highly built on speed, and that kind of talent is perfect for options, spreads and all that kind of stuff that is hardly used in the pro game at all.
it's hardly a color thing there. There's plenty of white QBs who land in one of those college only type systems. Pretty much anyone Urban Meyer has coached is sure to blow ass as an NFL QB because his system plays almost exclusively out of the shotgun, relies heavily on QB rushing, and very quick reads--shit that does not translate over to the pro game at all due to much better d's, bigger defensive players and the general limitations of that package.
Very few QBs are given the nfl ready label coming out, and the ones that are almost always played in a pro style offense. For example, the 49ers, in all their infinite wisdom (also known as Mike Nolan's fucking ego) decided to pass on Aaron Rodgers, who played in a pro system, for Alex Smith, who played in Urban Meyer's gimmicky fuck system.
Shit it's just really hard to think of someone who was not in a college system recently. I think Gabbart was the only hgih profile pick from this past year. Auburn did not run anything complex with Newton
Yeaaaah buddy Alex Smith... for what it's worth Aaron Rodgers came from a headcoach where previously "talented" college QBs failed to make the transition to the pros, so I think Smith was regarded as the safer pick at the time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2039797
In regards to race, I would say it's hard to base the results because the sample size (for black QBs at least) is so small. In recent years though I'd say it's been rising though and you have your share of good players (Josh Freeman, Mike Vick... McNabb was good at one time I swear!), decent players (wassup David Garrad, you are like the epitome of the average NFL QB in my eyes), and duds (JaWalrus Russel, but seriously, who didn't see that one coming?)... you could certainly say the same for the majority of White QBs as well (Brady = good, Orton = soso, Alexis Smith = bad haha), although there are waaay more white QBs in the nfl.
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Oakland Raiders drafted Terrelle Pryor?
I shouldn't even say I'm surprised since it's the raiders lol.
They always find a way to amuse.
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Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford were considered NFL ready. Andrew Luck is considered NFL ready. My point is, can you think of a single black qb to be given the label? Jason Campbell out of Auburn? Mcnabb out of Syracuse?
To some extent, it is sample size - but it's sample size because black qbs aren't given sufficient opportunity, even from a young age.
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