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On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well.
Yeah the Eagles FO are playing like it's Madden right now, but to be fair the Jets and Patriots have had success bringing in FAs/trades year-after-year... just never on this level.
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The Eagles have generally been a stingy bunch, so the fact that they gambled on this many free agents sort of says something about either their confidence in these players or Andy Reid's standing in the organization.
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On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well.
Well yeah, it really all boils down to the scheme, defensively. Who knows what we will get from the new coordinator. He definitely has a good group of guys, i expect the D to do well.
I'm not sure really how much chemistry will have to do with it though, considering the FAs they got. Nnamdi will be Nnamdi out there.
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On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well.
Are you really comparing the FA signings of the Eagles this year to the absolutely terrible FA signing of the Redskins under the Cerato/Snyder regime? Beyond the fact the fact Cerato and Snyder might be the worst talent evaluators in the NFL, the players they signed the big names they signed during those years ALL had massive red flags that the front office ignored. Which would be a stark contrast to the FA that the Eagles picked up this year.
That all being said you may have your years off by a few. Bruce Smith/ Jeff George/ Deion Sanders was 2000. 2002 had Trotter. 2003 was the Jet-Skins. While 2002/2003 were massive busts I doubt anyone outside the koolaid drinking homers thought that the 2002/2003 FA classes were going to significantly improve the Skins to Superbowl material (esp under the Fun'n'Gun with Spurrier).
Any signings in 2004 being highly regarding came solely from the Joe Gibbs factor. That being the fact that if Joe Gibbs (the man who won 3 Super Bowls for the Redskins) liked a player, then that player would help lead the Skins to Superbowl #4 end of story.
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On August 01 2011 14:21 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well. Yeah the Eagles FO are playing like it's Madden right now, but to be fair the Jets and Patriots have had success bringing in FAs/trades year-after-year... just never on this level.
what the patriots did is different though. They had a system and then enveloped a newcomer into their system, warts and all. Eagles are making wholesale changes based on who they believe to be star talent, but i ono if that really works for football. Many stars a product of the system they're in; remove them from their system and they become a bit lackluster.
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On August 01 2011 16:32 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well. Are you really comparing the FA signings of the Eagles this year to the absolutely terrible FA signing of the Redskins under the Cerato/Snyder regime? Beyond the fact the fact Cerato and Snyder might be the worst talent evaluators in the NFL, the players they signed the big names they signed during those years ALL had massive red flags that the front office ignored. Which would be a stark contrast to the FA that the Eagles picked up this year. That all being said you may have your years off by a few. Bruce Smith/ Jeff George/ Deion Sanders was 2000. 2002 had Trotter. 2003 was the Jet-Skins. While 2002/2003 were massive busts I doubt anyone outside the koolaid drinking homers thought that the 2002/2003 FA classes were going to significantly improve the Skins to Superbowl material (esp under the Fun'n'Gun with Spurrier). Any signings in 2004 being highly regarding came solely from the Joe Gibbs factor. That being the fact that if Joe Gibbs (the man who won 3 Super Bowls for the Redskins) liked a player, then that player would help lead the Skins to Superbowl #4 end of story.
your right, my years are off.
ANd yeah, it's easy to call those signings terrible in retrospect, but at the time a lot of major publications (SI, The Sporting News) were expecting great things.
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On August 01 2011 16:42 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 14:21 nemY wrote:On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well. Yeah the Eagles FO are playing like it's Madden right now, but to be fair the Jets and Patriots have had success bringing in FAs/trades year-after-year... just never on this level. what the patriots did is different though. They had a system and then enveloped a newcomer into their system, warts and all. Eagles are making wholesale changes based on who they believe to be star talent, but i ono if that really works for football. Many stars a product of the system they're in; remove them from their system and they become a bit lackluster.
How are the Eagles making wholesale changes?
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On August 01 2011 15:01 Southlight wrote:
The Eagles have generally been a stingy bunch, so the fact that they gambled on this many free agents sort of says something about either their confidence in these players or Andy Reid's standing in the organization.
I'd be fucking pissed if I were mcnabb because they didn't open the checkbook like that during his decade there.
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On August 01 2011 16:47 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2011 16:32 BloodNinja wrote:On August 01 2011 14:06 d_so wrote:On August 01 2011 12:50 BloodNinja wrote:
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well (for roughly $25 million). Are you fucking kidding me? How much money did they have to burn? I really HATE saying this as a Cowboys fan, but the Eagles have put themselves into NFC Superbowl contender (front-runner?) status. While I have no clue about what scheme they will be running (new D Coordinator), the amount of talent just on that side of the ball is simply sickening and would be capable of making a bland, vanilla defense look innovative.
That all being said, I will can take solace in the fact the Eagles have 2 years tops to make said run. I cannot believe they can keep all those names under the cap for more than 2 years ( maybe even 1 year depending on success). In my opinion, a bomb free agency season does not necessarily equate to success. Football is a weird game; individual stars are usually a product of team chemistry and schemes as much as individual success. The last time I remember a team went on a free agency binge like this was snyder's redskins back in 2002? 2003? And that didn't work out so well. Are you really comparing the FA signings of the Eagles this year to the absolutely terrible FA signing of the Redskins under the Cerato/Snyder regime? Beyond the fact the fact Cerato and Snyder might be the worst talent evaluators in the NFL, the players they signed the big names they signed during those years ALL had massive red flags that the front office ignored. Which would be a stark contrast to the FA that the Eagles picked up this year. That all being said you may have your years off by a few. Bruce Smith/ Jeff George/ Deion Sanders was 2000. 2002 had Trotter. 2003 was the Jet-Skins. While 2002/2003 were massive busts I doubt anyone outside the koolaid drinking homers thought that the 2002/2003 FA classes were going to significantly improve the Skins to Superbowl material (esp under the Fun'n'Gun with Spurrier). Any signings in 2004 being highly regarding came solely from the Joe Gibbs factor. That being the fact that if Joe Gibbs (the man who won 3 Super Bowls for the Redskins) liked a player, then that player would help lead the Skins to Superbowl #4 end of story. your right, my years are off. ANd yeah, it's easy to call those signings terrible in retrospect, but at the time a lot of major publications ( SI, The Sporting News) were expecting great things.
Even in the article you linked, here is the final line when discussing expectations for the 2000 season: "What the Redskins largely have is a 1996 Pro Bowl team. It remains to be seen if this latter-day Over the Hill Gang can be a top-flight team." There are other sections of that article that also spend signifcant time tempering FA expections (like the 3 paragraphs on how Deion will likely be a bust due to injuries or discussing how signing Jeff George over the protest of the coach may not be the best idea). Like I said, outside the kool-aid drinkers no one expected them to be serious contenders.
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Randy Moss retiring - per Schefter
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On August 02 2011 01:58 turamn wrote:
Randy Moss retiring - per Schefter
My friend (Pats fan) immediately goes
ha
stupid idiot
should've kept his mouth shut
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On August 02 2011 01:58 turamn wrote:
Randy Moss retiring - per Schefter
Also of note - Umenyiora is allowed to look for a trade now.
Edit - Interesting trade I heard earlier that I don't think made it to the thread. Vonnie Holliday and a pick (cant remember what but I think its conditional) to Arizona for Tim Hightower to the Skins.
Edit #2 - Report around DC is that Beck is REALLY struggling throwing the deep ball. Should amke for good radio in the DC area.
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Randy is just pulling a Brett.
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Holy shit. The Bengals signed both Manny Lawson and Nate Clements? Fuck their offseason has been better than ours, and they keep stealing our players. I don't know how to feel about this, on one hand both players were pretty mediocre, on the other hand we could have used the depth... oh who am I kidding they both still would have started if they stayed with us.
Our new GM comes out and says right before FA we are not going to be big players and then targets Asomugha when FA starts. After that fails he starts going after everybody... yet gets nobody. He says he and Harbaugh are sticking to their "plan"... come on man! This sucks as a niners fan, but hopefully we draft well and will contend for the West... in 2 years.
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it's the same old, no one has any idea whats going on plan. Woulda been nice to have both for depth, but really, we needed replacements at those positions. CB hurts a lot more tho
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I'm looking at the contracts the Eagles gave to both Asomugha and Jenkins. Both seem reasonable considering the bidding war that was expected for those two. I don't think it's comparable at all to previous FA champions where they clearly overpaid for the free agents they brought.
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Asante Samuel has already been bitchin about the moves because he pretty much got moved to nickel back despite being a top 5 corner in the league or so. The d coord was apparently stressing how important it is for teams to have three or even four good corners with the way offenses are going these days, but I really just am not seeing it.
It's not as if these 2nd and third WRs are that good on most teams. It's that most teams that find success spreading it around like that have really fucking good QBs (pats, Colts) and thrive on exploiting the defenses that are put out there. They're not going head to head in these engagements and ccoming out on top/
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On July 31 2011 03:26 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 03:08 slyboogie wrote:
They'd probably like to bring back Clement(who is basically, THE average cornerback) but after seeing the money that Joseph and Asomugha got, he'll probably try the free market. There's so much need out there - Detroit, especially, could use a D-back. Detroit's policy: If we can cover for more than 2 seconds one of our D-line will be on your QB
The Eric Wright signing was at least pretty decent.
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