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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 08 2011 10:37 GMT
#121
OMG YOU BRING TEARS TO MY EYES!

i havent caught up with MTG since 2003ish, especially after there were fancy card abilities (phasing iirc). truth be told, i dont even know what planeswalker is, hahaha. id like to think that i played in the straight-up era, red attacked, blue countered, white cast spells, green grew all sorts of flora and fauna, and black viled. im not sure what expansion i last played in (jesus i cant remember much actually, its like a half forgotten dream), but i think i played between apocalypse and scourge.

i had 2 decks (cost me a limb then), satan red and ice blue.
my red deck had 10million all damage instants: Lightning Bolt, Incinerate (new word for me at the time :D) and 10million other rushing all damage creatures: Ball lightning, etc.
my blue deck is super hard counters: counterspell, flash counter, arcane denial, etc. and one ping -1 creature i tap before my turn. i dont remember the creatures i had, if i had any.

my friends and opponents all hated my blue deck, it was a loooooong drawn out game (-1 until 20 turns LOL) btw, is it still 20 today? i won 17 city and school-based tournaments with those decks (11 red, 6 blue) and quite a few minor ones. im sorry for the scant details re my deck, its been forever really. imma dig up my box RIGHT NOW!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
January 08 2011 15:21 GMT
#122
On January 07 2011 06:35 Mortality wrote:
MTG...

I could seriously nerd rage about how my deck that used to be worth close to 500 dollars is probably worth pennies by now. Cards that used to be a good 10 bucks a decade ago are trash now.


Sad to see as I still have a box of series 2 (or whatever came after the first set beyond alpha) and was hoping they would be worth something... someday.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 19:43:59
January 08 2011 15:58 GMT
#123
On January 09 2011 00:21 DrSeRRoD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 06:35 Mortality wrote:
MTG...

I could seriously nerd rage about how my deck that used to be worth close to 500 dollars is probably worth pennies by now. Cards that used to be a good 10 bucks a decade ago are trash now.


Sad to see as I still have a box of series 2 (or whatever came after the first set beyond alpha) and was hoping they would be worth something... someday.


If you still have a box of beta/unlimited (the 2 sets that came after alpha) it's worth LOTS, it can be an issue to find a buyer though

EDIT: spelling
Improbable
Profile Joined March 2003
United States54 Posts
January 08 2011 16:29 GMT
#124
Everybody always rags on how expensive playing competitive magic is, but if you do it right it really isn't that bad. I played as a kid with ice-age and 4th, then picked it back up in college around lorwyn. I started off drafting, got a half-dozen people at my school interested, put together some standard decks over a period of a few months, started going to the local fnm with a few friends, started winning pretty regularly after a few months, began ptq grinding, been doing that for the past couple years. I probably spend about $200-$300 on magic a year, mostly tournament entry fees, and I can make almost any deck in non-eternal formats at any time. If you get a playgroup together, network with everyone in the area and play actively, you can almost always borrow/trade for what you need as long as you're willing to lend. I know not everyone whose interested in competitive magic has the resources to do that, but I live in middle of nowhere Vermont and have managed to pull it off, so it's not all that difficult ^^. I just think that when approached the right way, competitive magic is not that prohibitively expensive.

Also, I love me some oldschool necropotence decks, but I love how magic is constantly evolving and each new set brings its own identity to the table. It can be a pain to keep up with if you aren't fanatically involved, (I took a 4 month break at one point and found myself unable to make a competitive standard deck upon my return) but wizards hasn't completely screwed up a format since Mirrodin. I'm loving the new extended by the way, anyone else enjoying it?
GReeNMaN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States21 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 21:07:37
January 08 2011 21:06 GMT
#125
Back when I was around 8-9 years old, my dad thought it would be cool to get me into a hobby, and started buying me packs of Magic The Gathering Cards from a local trading card shop (obviously, my dad has a really good sense of what's "cool"). Going there was a really good childhood memory though. Unfortunately, a year later the Pokemon craze struck the world and as a result, Pokemon cards became my new interest. Eventually, I hit puberty, the Pokemon craze died down, and I moved on in life.

Anyways, I went up in my attic and got my card box out. I've got a good amount of them here...but they're all old ones. You guys are saying the game has evolved to the point where such cards can no longer be competitively used? NOT EVEN MY GOLD SLIVER QUEEN?! I've come to terms with the fact that they've become pretty much worthless along with my shiny pokemon cards, but it's pretty unfortunate that they can't even be used in a competitive environment. Not surprising though, they gotta keep people buying cards somehow I guess -_-
A man without a plan, plans to fail.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 21:34:01
January 08 2011 21:32 GMT
#126
On January 09 2011 06:06 GReeNMaN wrote:
Anyways, I went up in my attic and got my card box out. I've got a good amount of them here...but they're all old ones. You guys are saying the game has evolved to the point where such cards can no longer be competitively used? NOT EVEN MY GOLD SLIVER QUEEN?! I've come to terms with the fact that they've become pretty much worthless along with my shiny pokemon cards, but it's pretty unfortunate that they can't even be used in a competitive environment. Not surprising though, they gotta keep people buying cards somehow I guess -_-

To be fair, I don't thing Sliver Queen was that good even when it was Standard-legal. Playable in Counter-Slivers, but not really a staple.

And with a few exceptions, most of your collection is probably still legal in Vintage/Legacy. Of course, there's big difference between "legal" and "playable"
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GReeNMaN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States21 Posts
January 08 2011 21:40 GMT
#127
On January 09 2011 06:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2011 06:06 GReeNMaN wrote:
Anyways, I went up in my attic and got my card box out. I've got a good amount of them here...but they're all old ones. You guys are saying the game has evolved to the point where such cards can no longer be competitively used? NOT EVEN MY GOLD SLIVER QUEEN?! I've come to terms with the fact that they've become pretty much worthless along with my shiny pokemon cards, but it's pretty unfortunate that they can't even be used in a competitive environment. Not surprising though, they gotta keep people buying cards somehow I guess -_-

To be fair, I don't thing Sliver Queen was that good even when it was Standard-legal. Playable in Counter-Slivers, but not really a staple.

And with a few exceptions, most of your collection is probably still legal in Vintage/Legacy. Of course, there's big difference between "legal" and "playable"

Sliver Queen was just always my favorite card because I knew it was kind of a rare gold card. In fact, funny story behind how I got it. I was in an AOL chatroom for Magic the Gathering (remember this was like 10-12 years ago) and I asked if anyone had a Sliver Queen for trade. Some guy IMed me and said he would just send it to me for free. I was weary, but I wanted it. So even though my parents had told me not to give out any personal information, I gave the guy my address. Long story short, he tracked me down, abducted me, and my parents had to pay a huge ransom to get me back.

When they did get me back, I was naked with the Sliver Queen pinned to my body.

+ Show Spoiler +
Actually, after a few weeks of waiting I received it to my pleasant surprise. It was from that point on that I realized the internet was a great thing and that I could trust anybody on it.
A man without a plan, plans to fail.
Spinfusor
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia410 Posts
January 09 2011 01:31 GMT
#128
On January 09 2011 01:29 Improbable wrote:Also, I love me some oldschool necropotence decks

Yeah, non-combo Necro decks are so much fun to play. Too bad Necro is too broken.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 04:42:52
January 09 2011 04:22 GMT
#129
On January 07 2011 10:42 sob3k wrote:
Obviously magic has gone downhill.

Its a product. If they release new sets that are of the same power as the old ones then people have no incentive to buy them. Therefore every new release becomes slightly more OP in order to force people to go out and get it in order to not get raped.


Actually no, they've never even come close to releasing a whole set with cards as good as the power 9. There have been mistakes (skullclamp lol) but overall the power of cards has been lower since Urza's Saga. There are some absurd cards that work really well in specific combos, but that's why hate is always good in a competitive deck.

I've been told T1 and T1.5 are the most popular formats now. This is way different then when I used to play. It's probably forcing Wizards to balance across a whole bunch of things they haven't previously considered. Mechanics like madness are really good in the set they were printed for. Things like landfall are generically good and can easily fit into any format.

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Cards like new Jace basically come into play and say "answer me" and a lot of cards can do just that. He only starts with 3 counters, he's not that hard to kill. Remember the correct order to draft is bombs > hate > fixing > creatures and any good deck should have enough of the first two to handle it, especially in constructed. Also, don't hate on Jace because he's blue, if you play old magic, you probably hate blue. But blue was easily the shittiest color for a while after they got rid of counterspell in T2.


EDIT: BTW, dude who owns a box of unopened beta series cards, EBAY THAT SHIT! It's worth a ton.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
January 09 2011 09:47 GMT
#130
On January 09 2011 00:21 DrSeRRoD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 06:35 Mortality wrote:
MTG...

I could seriously nerd rage about how my deck that used to be worth close to 500 dollars is probably worth pennies by now. Cards that used to be a good 10 bucks a decade ago are trash now.


Sad to see as I still have a box of series 2 (or whatever came after the first set beyond alpha) and was hoping they would be worth something... someday.


you WHAT

You got a sealed box of beta cards

You realise thats worth thousands and thousands... each booster is like 400 dollars or smth crazy
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 10:26:52
January 09 2011 09:56 GMT
#131
man.. i remember i played in grade MTG 7 years ago... First booster pack was from the 8th set and it was wrath of god

damn... my last set i played was kamigawa or w/e its called a long time ago too! Odyssey, Tourment, judgement, legion, onslaught, and scourge were the shit back then... Magic was more fun than YuGiOH even though i had killer decks in both. Less money sinker as well and it distinguished the older kids to the young

Here was my favorite card ^_^

edit: IT was laquatus champion in odyssey....

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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 16:08:04
January 09 2011 16:04 GMT
#132
I have never before watched or been to a magic competition but there is one on live right now.
Kansas City Open Top 8 (or Top4, not sure), not sure exactly when it starts. Currently it's just discussion from hosts.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/scglive#utm_campaign=unknown&utm_source=5676856&utm_medium=social

And the event coverage page from star city games. http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/20848_Live_Coverage_of_StarCityGamescom_Open_Series_Kansas_City.html
twitter: @terrancem
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 18:28:09
October 03 2011 18:28 GMT
#133
what's a good site to check out prices on the MTG cards.
Asking for a friend obv. :D
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turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 18:31:55
October 03 2011 18:30 GMT
#134
www.starcitygames.com

EDIT: Though, if youre looking to buy / sell, you should probably post them on e-bay. SCG will give you crap for your cards and you can probably get them cheaper on e-bay, but a lot of the local shops here will use SCG for their benchmark pricing.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
October 03 2011 18:32 GMT
#135
Starcity has the highest prices around usually, and most brick and mortar shops I've been too use them to set their prices, ick.. if you do a little googling, you should be able to find cheaper options, I haven't played in awhile, or bought cards, so don't know where exactly, but I've always been an ebay user. As a buyer, you have a ton of protections, (selling is different though).
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
hippocritical
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Australia465 Posts
October 05 2011 14:39 GMT
#136
Not sure if here is the right place to ask, but I'm considering buying 1 or 2 36 pack boxes of boosters. There's nothing more addictive than tearing into a new booster and the last one I bought (for whimsy sake) was a Betrayers booster which I got an Ink-Eyes, and I spent the rest of the day smiling.

I haven't really touched MTG since 2008(my last foray was when Guild Pact was still new). I'm wondering if I should the get new Mirrodin block ones or Innistrad, but it's mostly not for competitive play but rather just me collecting and what not or should I get an older set of boxes like Kamigawa/RavCity of Guilds etc. It is significantly cheaper just buying the newer boosters, but I think the universe I lost on me. From a collectors I guess I'm lost on what to purchase since I haven't really checked out most the newer content.

Anywho if anyone who has had experience with the Scars of Mirrordin expansion could shoot me a pm about if the block is worth getting that would be fantastic thanks!
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
October 05 2011 16:36 GMT
#137
Anyone got any advice on selling cards? Haven't played since around 2000 and realized that my Gaea's Cradle is worth like $50 now

Anyone got experience with online selling? (any besides www.cardkingdom.com?)
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 06 2011 17:56 GMT
#138
i cleaned out the garage last weekend and found 2 binders and an old shoe box full of 2nd edition magic cards up though mirage i think. not sure what to do with them.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 06 2011 18:43 GMT
#139
Old cards are broken. Come on tap one blue one colorless I get another turn. Or I'm gonna tap this Tolarian Academy for about 15 mana then discard this land that get 2 different colors and has no drawback to mind over matter to untap academy to braingueiser you for your whole deck. My favorite was that Mind's Desire/ high tide/ palincron combo (before mind's desire got restricted) to do everything in your deck for free.

I remember playing shifting skies and reap combo for infinite regrowths on your free turn cards
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
October 06 2011 19:12 GMT
#140
On October 07 2011 02:56 Vaporized wrote:
i cleaned out the garage last weekend and found 2 binders and an old shoe box full of 2nd edition magic cards up though mirage i think. not sure what to do with them.

Holy shit if you gift that as my birthday present... =)

Started around tempest, lost a bunch of cards when I entrusted my senior to keep them, then the rest go confiscated by a teacher who claimed it to be "satanic" even though I was playing it outside school.

Stopped playing at Scourge, after I went to a prerelease for it. Did quite well for it too ^^ my 1st and only.
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
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