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On November 19 2011 21:27 Ramong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 20:42 Gotmog wrote:On November 19 2011 20:27 Ramong wrote:On November 19 2011 19:48 Gotmog wrote:On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Then you have fast travel (which I refuse to use) and this totally crappy flying-camera finishing moves. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. Go away... You can get lost in caves from time to time, especially if you don't use pointer/map. Don't use fast travel then, duh. Personally i have better things to do then spend so much time running. Finishing moves are awesome. UI is fine. Stop bitching about everything... While I don't agree with all that he said, it is true that every single dungeon I have been in is linear and I dislike that a lot. The UI we can't get around is one of the worst UI's in years for PC, just because we can use it does not mean it is good. I love this game, but it does have huge flaws unfortunately.. Sure it has flaws, bugs to start with. I don't have any problem with ui, didn't even spend much time adjusting. And getting lost in caves was one of those things i hate about some other games. You can still get into some problems here, so i am fine with it. And some places are just to huge to allow players to get lost. Getting lost in caves/explore caves is a matter of taste. I personally like to have choices in the dungeons, and not just a linear path, but that is my opinion. About the UI, it is bad.... sorely lacks a lot. Just the inventory lacks: * Sorting (by value, weight, when you got it, type, etc.) * A Log that show what the last item you got was, so that we don't have to go through a huge list. * Compare item (value, weight, look.) * A way to open you AND your companion/chest/traders inventory! The perk UI is also pretty bad for PC, many times did I have to choose a different perk and use w,a,s,d to navigate to the one I actually wanted to look at. It is ok that you can play the game with this UI, I can too. But it still sucks arse and a developer as big as Bethesda and a game as big as Skyrim can't be allowed to throw this in our faces again... As I said I love the game, played it a lot and still plays it, but that don't mean that I am a blind fanboy who can't see flaws
To add to this (I basically agree) asically RockPaperShotgun did a good job explaining most of the issues:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/11/14/user-interfarce-skyrims-silly-choices/
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On November 19 2011 19:00 SnowyPsilocybin wrote:
How come some of the dragons have names and others don't?
I was just running round on my horse to the next place for the dark brotherhood and then that big huge dragon from the start summoned up another dragon and that one had a name, Where as other Dragon that have appeared randomly, are just simply called "Dragon"
Additionally, it turns out, that Giants > Dragons. One helped me kill a Dragon and it killed it super quick, it was fairly amusing to see
At the start yea, but I dont think Giants scale, dragons definitely do. I 2 shot Giants now, definitely not the case with dragons
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On November 19 2011 18:18 FrostFire626 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. I play all of my games on PC and I adapted to the UI just fine. You're complaining about completely optional fast travel, which makes no sense whatsoever. To top it off, you're complaining about linearity in an open-world RPG. Lay off the Skooma.
Lol. And I played rpg games since bg1 and diablo1 and this UI is the worst I seen yet. It is trully terribad!!
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At the start yea, but I dont think Giants scale, dragons definitely do. I 2 shot Giants now, definitely not the case with dragons
I still 2-shot standard dragons but elder dragons are a bit tougher and my friend had ancient dragons spawn which are supposedly a challenge.
I don't really understand why I'm still mostly fighting standard dragons even though I'm lvl 40 and finished the main story.
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You've got to be fucking kidding me, does every TES game need to have a story quest bug...Esbern won't open the door, I can't talk to him, nothing helps...what to do to continue the storyline?
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Anyone complaining about dungeons being too small obviously hasn't been to Blackreach, that place makes the Mehrunes Razor dungeon from oblivion look small.
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On November 19 2011 22:12 Odoakar wrote:
You've got to be fucking kidding me, does every TES game need to have a story quest bug...Esbern won't open the door, I can't talk to him, nothing helps...what to do to continue the storyline?
Did you actually wait for a while as it takes ages for him to open it as he has about a dozen locks on it.
You could always try to bypass the issue with console commands or try loading a previous save etc.
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On November 19 2011 22:12 Odoakar wrote:
You've got to be fucking kidding me, does every TES game need to have a story quest bug...Esbern won't open the door, I can't talk to him, nothing helps...what to do to continue the storyline?
1. download this-> http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3117
2. then use it to open the Skyrim - VoicesExtra file in your skyrim/data folder.
3. extract all to Skyrim/data folder (should automaticly create new folder data/sounds)
4. problem fixed, Esbern has sound and opens door
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On November 19 2011 22:12 Odoakar wrote:
You've got to be fucking kidding me, does every TES game need to have a story quest bug...Esbern won't open the door, I can't talk to him, nothing helps...what to do to continue the storyline?
talk to him, exit area, come back, do this 2-3 times, come back and door will be open
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I have hit another "bug" it seems...on quest season unending, meeting with Tulius and Ulfric in High Hrotgar...i am stuck while negotiating terms of peace, and nothing is happening, no options to move, talk to any or anything...
I think its Esbern bugging again...
Any help ?
nvm, google helped ^^
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Hmm, I used elemental fury on my ebony sword all the time. Now it seems I don't have to because the sword somehow got +10 elemental fury enchantment on it. I didn't know this could happen.
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On November 19 2011 22:00 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 18:18 FrostFire626 wrote:On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. I play all of my games on PC and I adapted to the UI just fine. You're complaining about completely optional fast travel, which makes no sense whatsoever. To top it off, you're complaining about linearity in an open-world RPG. Lay off the Skooma. Lol. And I played rpg games since bg1 and diablo1 and this UI is the worst I seen yet. It is trully terribad!!
I've been playing games for a long time too and Skyrim isn't even close to the worst. It doesn't make the game unplayable, just a bit more cumbersome. And none of the UI issues affect actual combat as far as I've experienced. Just annoyances outside of combat. I remember Neverwinter Nights 2 having a shit UI especially on release. And having just replayed KOTOR 1 I can say that game was at least as cumbersome to deal with.
So Skyrim's UI is annoying, but not gamebreaking. It's still pretty shit and deserves criticism, but some of the statements made about it are really exaggerated.
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ok now i have a bug too... everytime my lockpick breaks i have to reselect the box i want to pick... that means the lock resets every time my pcik breaks! this sucks so hard right now -.-
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It's too bad because I love the way the interface looks, but it's just ridiculous navigating through it when you have 300+ potions and 9001 regents T_T
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On November 19 2011 09:28 ThyHate wrote:
I really like this game, but I think it's a bit too easy. You don't have to think at all.
All I do is kite people using bugged terrain because it's the only way to kill stuff as mage in master difficulty.
When i read this post i thought back to Dark legacy comics to this one keydar abusing Evade bug
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On November 19 2011 22:41 Arolis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 22:00 -Archangel- wrote:On November 19 2011 18:18 FrostFire626 wrote:On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. I play all of my games on PC and I adapted to the UI just fine. You're complaining about completely optional fast travel, which makes no sense whatsoever. To top it off, you're complaining about linearity in an open-world RPG. Lay off the Skooma. Lol. And I played rpg games since bg1 and diablo1 and this UI is the worst I seen yet. It is trully terribad!! I've been playing games for a long time too and Skyrim isn't even close to the worst. It doesn't make the game unplayable, just a bit more cumbersome. And none of the UI issues affect actual combat as far as I've experienced. Just annoyances outside of combat. I remember Neverwinter Nights 2 having a shit UI especially on release. And having just replayed KOTOR 1 I can say that game was at least as cumbersome to deal with. So Skyrim's UI is annoying, but not gamebreaking. It's still pretty shit and deserves criticism, but some of the statements made about it are really exaggerated.
Oh, but it does. The combat isn't exactly smooth if you want to start out with one shout, bow, change to a spell to increase your armor rating, change to two handed axe and another shout as the enemy approaches. Before finishing him off you might want to change to 2 one handed weapons with a soul capture spell (like I do). There are so many shouts and spells for so many situation you can't have them all favorited, and even if you do you need to stop combat a good 4 times, and thats excluding the potions should it come to that 
And I agree with the people saying the perk interface -looks- good. I actually love the star perk system. And if that was the only thing, I wouldn't be bothered (altough the fact that its imposible to navigate it, as you somehow never manage to go to the next star without circling around it 3 or 4 times first is inexcusable). But the inventory and magic system is trash.
Eagerly awaiting a mod with a better Ui.
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Man, I played 6 hours straight today. Had a blast!
+ Show Spoiler +I became Archmage, have kickass Archmage Robes and a great mask which apparently, makes my head invisible. Such an annoying glitch, I'd like to know if there's any mod that fixes it.
Mage questline was really fun, I heard similar (even better) comments regarding the thief one. My next character will be just that!
Also, I can conjure bound swords. When I use them, I gain one handed sword skill. Is it worth to use it, or keep sticking to destruction? I noticed there's a seperate skill for that, I guess it's when you don't have much mana you can melee? It sounds interesting with healing spell on the free hand.
How can I discover more alchemy recipes? I'm trying to mix stuff but not really successful at that.
How do I enchant items? Can you only enchant regular items with no special mods on them?
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On November 19 2011 23:16 Bleak wrote:Man, I played 6 hours straight today. Had a blast! + Show Spoiler +I became Archmage, have kickass Archmage Robes and a great mask which apparently, makes my head invisible. Such an annoying glitch, I'd like to know if there's any mod that fixes it.
Mage questline was really fun, I heard similar (even better) comments regarding the thief one. My next character will be just that!
Also, I can conjure bound swords. When I use them, I gain one handed sword skill. Is it worth to use it, or keep sticking to destruction? I noticed there's a seperate skill for that, I guess it's when you don't have much mana you can melee? It sounds interesting with healing spell on the free hand.
How can I discover more alchemy recipes? I'm trying to mix stuff but not really successful at that.
How do I enchant items? Can you only enchant regular items with no special mods on them?
When you try to discover more alchemy recipes you can eat one of each ingredient to discover the first effect that each thing has. That helped me out a lot when trying to mix potions together with random ingredients.
There are perks in the enchantment tree that improves your enchanting and eventually also lets you enchant magic items.
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On November 19 2011 23:00 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 22:41 Arolis wrote:On November 19 2011 22:00 -Archangel- wrote:On November 19 2011 18:18 FrostFire626 wrote:On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. I play all of my games on PC and I adapted to the UI just fine. You're complaining about completely optional fast travel, which makes no sense whatsoever. To top it off, you're complaining about linearity in an open-world RPG. Lay off the Skooma. Lol. And I played rpg games since bg1 and diablo1 and this UI is the worst I seen yet. It is trully terribad!! I've been playing games for a long time too and Skyrim isn't even close to the worst. It doesn't make the game unplayable, just a bit more cumbersome. And none of the UI issues affect actual combat as far as I've experienced. Just annoyances outside of combat. I remember Neverwinter Nights 2 having a shit UI especially on release. And having just replayed KOTOR 1 I can say that game was at least as cumbersome to deal with. So Skyrim's UI is annoying, but not gamebreaking. It's still pretty shit and deserves criticism, but some of the statements made about it are really exaggerated. Oh, but it does. The combat isn't exactly smooth if you want to start out with one shout, bow, change to a spell to increase your armor rating, change to two handed axe and another shout as the enemy approaches. Before finishing him off you might want to change to 2 one handed weapons with a soul capture spell (like I do). There are so many shouts and spells for so many situation you can't have them all favorited, and even if you do you need to stop combat a good 4 times, and thats excluding the potions should it come to that And I agree with the people saying the perk interface -looks- good. I actually love the star perk system. And if that was the only thing, I wouldn't be bothered (altough the fact that its imposible to navigate it, as you somehow never manage to go to the next star without circling around it 3 or 4 times first is inexcusable). But the inventory and magic system is trash. Eagerly awaiting a mod with a better Ui.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5679/skyriminterface.jpg
Simply explained.
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On November 19 2011 23:00 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 22:41 Arolis wrote:On November 19 2011 22:00 -Archangel- wrote:On November 19 2011 18:18 FrostFire626 wrote:On November 19 2011 18:14 Manit0u wrote:On November 19 2011 09:18 waffleduck wrote:On November 19 2011 08:37 Manit0u wrote:
Why is this game so mainstream? You can't even get lost in the caves/ruins any more...
Played Skyrim for 5 hours or so and I'm already bored. I think I'll just play some Morrowind instead.
P. S.
UI in this game is absolute crap when you're on PC. Honestly there has been an astounding lack of hipsters like this for Skyrim. By mainstream I meant 'linear + cutscenes'. It's annoying as hell. You enter some old ruins/caves and all you can do is go one way up until the end. Add to that the fact that if you're on a PC you're battling the UI more than your opponents and you get yourself a game that's ultimately not-so-good because a lot of enjoyment is being taken away. I play all of my games on PC and I adapted to the UI just fine. You're complaining about completely optional fast travel, which makes no sense whatsoever. To top it off, you're complaining about linearity in an open-world RPG. Lay off the Skooma. Lol. And I played rpg games since bg1 and diablo1 and this UI is the worst I seen yet. It is trully terribad!! I've been playing games for a long time too and Skyrim isn't even close to the worst. It doesn't make the game unplayable, just a bit more cumbersome. And none of the UI issues affect actual combat as far as I've experienced. Just annoyances outside of combat. I remember Neverwinter Nights 2 having a shit UI especially on release. And having just replayed KOTOR 1 I can say that game was at least as cumbersome to deal with. So Skyrim's UI is annoying, but not gamebreaking. It's still pretty shit and deserves criticism, but some of the statements made about it are really exaggerated. Oh, but it does. The combat isn't exactly smooth if you want to start out with one shout, bow, change to a spell to increase your armor rating, change to two handed axe and another shout as the enemy approaches. Before finishing him off you might want to change to 2 one handed weapons with a soul capture spell (like I do). There are so many shouts and spells for so many situation you can't have them all favorited, and even if you do you need to stop combat a good 4 times, and thats excluding the potions should it come to that And I agree with the people saying the perk interface -looks- good. I actually love the star perk system. And if that was the only thing, I wouldn't be bothered (altough the fact that its imposible to navigate it, as you somehow never manage to go to the next star without circling around it 3 or 4 times first is inexcusable). But the inventory and magic system is trash. Eagerly awaiting a mod with a better Ui.
Because you could have done all that in Morrowind and Oblivion, right?
I really don't get the whining about the UI to such an extent. Yes, it's awkward to understand at first. However, just because the game is technically a console port doesn't mean you should actively view everything in a negative light. The only gripe I have with about the UI is the fact that multiple copies of the same weapon are bugged when on favorites, and the perk system being difficult to navigate at first (but even then, I've learned how to navigate it without any troubles at all). I believe most people are simply coming in with confirmation bias about how "terrible" the UI is simply because that's what people said at first on day one, and because they were told it was originally designed for consoles.
Also, I actually hate the image-based system of Morrowind. I prefer the text much better when not using a system like Mabinogi's (tile-based placement, I guess?). I can see how it's not for everybody, but don't jump to saying the UI is absolutely terrible when plenty of people actually prefer it.
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