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Ana_
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland453 Posts
June 26 2012 23:40 GMT
#3361
Oh you bioware! I shot the damn catalyst. Oh well reload! Closure good, some plot holes are still there, but much beter than before. This is the way it should have been, would have saved bioware from big shitstorm. I would have liked really good ending where my Shepard retires to warm and sunny place, drinks with Garrus and lives with his love interest, but that is life, cannot get all.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
June 27 2012 00:14 GMT
#3362
i think what annoys me the most is + Show Spoiler +
the 'after', where normandy takes off again. wtf was the whole point in crashing in the first place? trying to save bad writing with more bad writing ...
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 27 2012 00:54 GMT
#3363
The game isn't really ruined for me. I still think it is one of the best franchises in video game history. And its in my top 5. I just wanted better closure and it seems they have given that to me. I'm not gonna nit pick because i love the franchise. I think its time to let ME 3 be done, and move on to the next Mass effect franchise.
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
June 27 2012 01:20 GMT
#3364
ME series will never be known for its ending. Its simple. Not the greatest but no longer the worst. I was hoping that there would have been more dialogue for the characters you romanced with. But hey, its free, it answered more questions and made me feel content.

Will I hate BioWare for making this ending? Absolutely not. BioWare is one of the only companies that would actually go out of their way to make a extended ending. Did I mention it was FREE?!

I will hope for the next non-FPS they make and play it for sure. Let's keep up the great work Bioware but I understand and the rest of the sane community was slightly disappointed in this ending but I'm sure you will not disappoint the next game coming around!
Master Chief
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
June 27 2012 01:22 GMT
#3365
Also Suggestion: Just do what Blizzard does. Take 12 years to come out with the squeal. Their excuse was that wanted the most polish experience. Sure everyone will rage but when it comes up it has SOOOO much hype and most of the time it lives up to the HYPE. Just follow Blizzard's Business Model! xD
Master Chief
valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 01:44:11
June 27 2012 01:36 GMT
#3366
The crux of the Mass Effect 3 problem was that Bioware last minute changed the ending. Given EA's track record, they obviously pressured Bioware to open end the ending to milk their customers with DLC. This is supported by the writing staff that admitted the peer review system they used for all 3 games was thrown out of the window for the ending of Mass Effect 3.

The lead writer for the first 2 Mass Effect games was moved over to Old Republic after he finished writing Mass Effect 2. Before he moved over though, he wrote a basic outline for how he wanted the series to go. Leaked after the fiasco with the Mass Effect 3 ending shows the original idea for the ending of the trilogy was for the mass relays to be causing the dark energy (remember Tali's recruitment mission and her loyalty mission?) to be corrupted and going out of control threatening to destroy the universe. The reapers were created to find a solution to the problem. So every 50 thousand years they either destroyed the advanced civilizations using the mass relays or forced the advanced civilizations to be become reapers to help find the solution. Then the ending was supposed to be Shepard either joining the reapers to solve the problem with the reapers, or to destroy the reapers and take their chances.

I dont know about you guys, but that sounds a hell of a lot better to me than Bioware stealing the Deux Ex machina and not even bothering to change it enough to fit the context of the Mass Effect universe. Last minute they choose a nonsensical circular logic garbage from the sub plot that makes even less sense with the protential choices you make in Mass Effect 2 and 3 involving the conflict between the quarians and geth.

That all said, the Extended Cut did greatly improve the ending to Mass Effect 3. But it was merely Bioware painting trash gold in an attempt to create treasure.
It is not easy being this awesome and modest
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 27 2012 01:49 GMT
#3367
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:


new refusal ending:


how the crew got on the normandy:



those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?
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valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
June 27 2012 01:52 GMT
#3368
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


no kidding, even basic bottom level 3D animation I did in my introduction to Lightwave class took 6 weeks to make a 30 second animation that then took 2 computers 3 hours to render.
It is not easy being this awesome and modest
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 27 2012 01:53 GMT
#3369
On June 27 2012 10:52 valium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


no kidding, even basic bottom level 3D animation I did in my introduction to Lightwave class took 6 weeks to make a 30 second animation that then took 2 computers 3 hours to render.


Yes. Now take a look at those cutscenes for a moment. Even with Bioware's top of the line stuff, that stuff takes freaking WEEKS.
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bLecK
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia625 Posts
June 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#3370
So the new ending. Is it worth checking out?
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valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
June 27 2012 02:06 GMT
#3371
Sure, if you already own Mass Effect 3. It is a huge improvement over the launch ending.
It is not easy being this awesome and modest
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 27 2012 02:11 GMT
#3372
On June 27 2012 11:02 bLecK wrote:
So the new ending. Is it worth checking out?


Yes, yes, and yes.

It's a great ending, and sorta what I wanted.
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
June 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#3373
On June 27 2012 11:02 bLecK wrote:
So the new ending. Is it worth checking out?


If you have a save close to the end yes. If not no just watch it on youtube . The stuff they changed is only in the last few minutes of the game and no real new gamplay.

It made the ending acceptable for the most part but not worth replaying bigger parts of the game just for it.
TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
June 27 2012 02:26 GMT
#3374
im going with the indoctrinated theory
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
June 27 2012 02:27 GMT
#3375
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


I guess i overestimate the amount of peole they had working on this. I still have a few problem with the ending and i think they approached the EC a bit wrong.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 27 2012 02:30 GMT
#3376
On June 27 2012 11:27 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


I guess i overestimate the amount of peole they had working on this. I still have a few problem with the ending and i think they approached the EC a bit wrong.


Oh no, something like this undoubtably took at least a dozen people working on modeling alone, not to mention aftereffects, dialogue, facial animation, and animation itself. In other words, a pretty huge number of people. Ask me to do something like this-see you in a few decades.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
June 27 2012 02:54 GMT
#3377
On June 27 2012 11:02 bLecK wrote:
So the new ending. Is it worth checking out?

Simply, yes. It improves a lot of problems with the original both narrative-wise and execution-wise, but, it does not solve many of the inherent problems that were already present, and even introduces a few other blunders of its own. All in all it is worth your time to at least make your own decision on the ending, but it isn't exceptional like many were hoping.

Did anyone else get the feeling that the changes only began + Show Spoiler +
just before the restart checkpoint in London, where you are running towards the beacon (I didn't read anything about the ending other than the eta and where to start). I only got the feeling that this was the point where changes began to happen. Also, excuse me Harbinger...but I have to talk to my girlfriend for a second, so can you go play in a corner for the time being? LOOOOOOL, so caual in the delivery. Nah, we're not in any mortal danger. Not in the slightest.

Also, those dialogue choices with the catalyst, could they be any less subtle? Terrible writing, and an amateurish handling of character motivations. We don't need to know everything directly guys, a little subtlety goes a long way.
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 02:59:51
June 27 2012 02:58 GMT
#3378
On June 27 2012 11:30 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 11:27 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


I guess i overestimate the amount of peole they had working on this. I still have a few problem with the ending and i think they approached the EC a bit wrong.


Oh no, something like this undoubtably took at least a dozen people working on modeling alone, not to mention aftereffects, dialogue, facial animation, and animation itself. In other words, a pretty huge number of people. Ask me to do something like this-see you in a few decades.


I still expected a bit more and different stuff though especially since i'm not huge on CGI and effects at all . I would've loved less flashy stuff and more storytelling Though if what i read is right there quite some content in it that possibly is meant for future DLC's. I mean this DLC is ~25% of the games size and all it adds is a lets say at best 3% of new content . There has to be a reason why this is almost 2gb other than not compressing the files that well.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
June 27 2012 03:11 GMT
#3379
On June 27 2012 11:58 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 11:30 Praetorial wrote:
On June 27 2012 11:27 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 10:49 Praetorial wrote:
On June 27 2012 02:01 s3rp wrote:
On June 27 2012 01:57 atmospheric wrote:
new destroy ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYYYmzr7_A

new refusal ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThzItSAT5c

how the crew got on the normandy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJLUnpybGuE


those new scenes change absolutely nothing. bad ending stays bad


Exactly what i've seen before , if this is everything they added i then i wonder why this took 3 damn months.


Because you have no idea how 3D animation and rendering works and the time it takes to create a movie with it?


I guess i overestimate the amount of peole they had working on this. I still have a few problem with the ending and i think they approached the EC a bit wrong.


Oh no, something like this undoubtably took at least a dozen people working on modeling alone, not to mention aftereffects, dialogue, facial animation, and animation itself. In other words, a pretty huge number of people. Ask me to do something like this-see you in a few decades.


I still expected a bit more and different stuff though especially since i'm not huge on CGI and effects at all . I would've loved less flashy stuff and more storytelling Though if what i read is right there quite some content in it that possibly is meant for future DLC's. I mean this DLC is ~25% of the games size and all it adds is a lets say at best 3% of new content . There has to be a reason why this is almost 2gb other than not compressing the files that well.


It's because the files are poorly compressed.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
June 27 2012 04:07 GMT
#3380
Well, ME3 will always be tainted by the epic failure that was the original endings, but the ones that they have put in now are good. Now, good is not up to the amazing standard set by the series, but at least now it isn't the worst ending of any game ever.
I'm really overall satisfied with the extended cut. I chose the synthesis ending (watched other 3 on youtube) and it is IMO by far the best. Only real competitor is the control one but EDI narrating the synthesis end is just awesome.

Also, the refusal should really be limited to the text choice. Everyone and their mother shot at the damn catalyst, now they are all going to get penalized with a shitty ending for it LOL. I shot the catalyst for like 3 minutes while I decided the ending on my first playthrough. And WTF at the download size, that's an epic compression fail, not that it matters.
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