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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
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notwelldone
92 Posts
Time to move on. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:45 notwelldone wrote: It's dead. So is SC:BW. It'll never be the same. Time to move on. ahahahahahahaaha No its not. User was warned for this post | ||
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notwelldone
92 Posts
Not dead yet. But the grave is ready. User was warned for this post | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:45 notwelldone wrote: It's dead. So is SC:BW. It'll never be the same. Time to move on. People don't stop walking just because of cars - Especially not with these boots. | ||
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RelZo
Hungary397 Posts
On November 07 2010 22:45 notwelldone wrote: It's dead. So is SC:BW. It'll never be the same. Time to move on. My troll senses are tingling and don't derail the thread. The last time I checked on the WarCraft 3 scene it was dying, and it was like the February of 2009. I can name only 5 players (Lyn, Sky, Ted, Infi and Wh0) who were actually paid well back then. And I guess the orc imbalance and the bad map pool also contributed to the fact that people are moving to SC2. I don't think that much can be done about it :S | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
It is outside Korea. | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:10 RelZo wrote: My troll senses are tingling and don't derail the thread. The last time I checked on the WarCraft 3 scene it was dying, and it was like the February of 2009. I can name only 5 players (Lyn, Sky, Ted, Infi and Wh0) who were actually paid well back then. And I guess the orc imbalance and the bad map pool also contributed to the fact that people are moving to SC2. I don't think that much can be done about it :S What? That's just a load of crap. The scene was way more active that that in Feb 2009. WC3L was still going on then, and FOX was starting to sign Korean players then. Plus, you didn't name Moon or Grubby on your list which pretty much shows how little you know. Also, it's easy to name more than 5 players now who receive a proper salary. Orc imba probably been exaggerated a lot over the years, though they did have a dominate period. Remind still won Blizzcon and WCG this year sooo. Map pool was always a problem, but certainly didn't kill the game by itself. The game has a couple of amateur leagues open in the EU/US, but the player numbers certainly has decreased massively since SC2. As for the pro scene there's still a few events, but the majority of them are in China and a few in Korea. | ||
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zex66
Canada651 Posts
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Rising_Phoenix
United States370 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:10 RelZo wrote: My troll senses are tingling and don't derail the thread. The last time I checked on the WarCraft 3 scene it was dying, and it was like the February of 2009. I can name only 5 players (Lyn, Sky, Ted, Infi and Wh0) who were actually paid well back then. And I guess the orc imbalance and the bad map pool also contributed to the fact that people are moving to SC2. I don't think that much can be done about it :S You forgot Moon, Space, Grubby, TH1000, Check (before sc2), team mouz.sports (mouz.fly, etc), plus probably a few others that I'm forgetting. However, I agree that the map pool as well as the orc strength made the game really hard to play. However, it's still pretty big in China. However, I know Grubby, Lyn, Moon, and Check have switched to SC2 or are going to switch. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think competitive SC2 will start declining but it will take several years before the game itself becomes a graveyard. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
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NearPerfection
232 Posts
Battle.Net was a horrible service for competitive play. There is a built in delay of around .6-.7 seconds no matter how fast your internet connection is, Hacking was rampant at nearly all stages of the game, some hacks worse than others. Nevertheless all the "Top" players moved on to Garena's service a while ago because that's where all the leagues were played, lowest delay possible etc. Summer 2010 was pretty much the last days of Wc3 in the US. Once Summer ended the top three US teams dissolved. KoD couldn't field enough players in a lineup to continue leagueing so they Merged with the arguable 3rd best team. The arguable second best team cGz closed their doors as well, and shortly after Infc/KoD merger fell apart and that team dissolved. With all the "top" players inactive/teamless they simply quit altogether or moved on to Sc2 (see Axslav/strifecro etc) Also, with only mid range skilled people and teams League Administrators saw no reason to continue with the league as no one would watch anyway so all of the leagues that mattered ICL/ICE/WCIP/WCO closed down. For a top Wc3 player there really isnt any reason to Play Wc3 anymore, alot more money in Sc2, and online cups with much more decent prize money are much easier to compete in. Only Drawback so far is a bunch of B and below ICCup players think that somehow makes them better than wc3 players (lol...) but who needs "respect" when there is money in your paypal acc? I don't personally see Wc3 reviving. I myself have played a few games here or there when the balance of Sc2 got too retarded, but the graphics are far too dated, Garena League scene is dead and Bnet is still as horrible as ever (at least you can play cross realm though) Really unfortunate because Wc3 had the advantage of being standardized and balanced so the better skilled player always won on top level (Orc vs UD aside). | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:56 NearPerfection wrote: Top US wc3 player here. Battle.Net was a horrible service for competitive play. There is a built in delay of around .6-.7 seconds no matter how fast your internet connection is, Hacking was rampant at nearly all stages of the game, some hacks worse than others. Nevertheless all the "Top" players moved on to Garena's service a while ago because that's where all the leagues were played, lowest delay possible etc. Summer 2010 was pretty much the last days of Wc3 in the US. Once Summer ended the top three US teams dissolved. KoD couldn't field enough players in a lineup to continue leagueing so they Merged with the arguable 3rd best team. The arguable second best team cGz closed their doors as well, and shortly after Infc/KoD merger fell apart and that team dissolved. With all the "top" players inactive/teamless they simply quit altogether or moved on to Sc2 (see Axslav/strifecro etc) Also, with only mid range skilled people and teams League Administrators saw no reason to continue with the league as no one would watch anyway so all of the leagues that mattered ICL/ICE/WCIP/WCO closed down. For a top Wc3 player there really isnt any reason to Play Wc3 anymore, alot more money in Sc2, and online cups with much more decent prize money are much easier to compete in. Only Drawback so far is a bunch of B and below ICCup players think that somehow makes them better than wc3 players (lol...) but who needs "respect" when there is money in your paypal acc? I don't personally see Wc3 reviving. I myself have played a few games here or there when the balance of Sc2 got too retarded, but the graphics are far too dated, Garena League scene is dead and Bnet is still as horrible as ever (at least you can play cross realm though) Really unfortunate because Wc3 had the advantage of being standardized and balanced so the better skilled player always won on top level (Orc vs UD aside). what player are you? and do you think if there was maybe a balance patch that atleast bnet would come back to life? i hate to see such a good game just die  | ||
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Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
On November 08 2010 03:13 AzaleasFighter wrote: what player are you? and do you think if there was maybe a balance patch that atleast bnet would come back to life? i hate to see such a good game just die They waited way too long to release a balance patch; UD is not a viable race anymore. The game stagnated with the very little support shown from Blizzard. Battle.net needed to change their tournament maps (why the hell is LT still in the official map pool?), ban the hackers, and remove the 250ms buffer delay they have. With the little support and SC2 on the horizon, it was obvious the War3 playerbase was going to shift. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
I do agree that the competitive/high level scene is on it's last legs, though. | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
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Sleek
United States60 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 08 2010 05:26 Sleek wrote: Pretty sure it has to do with the fact that dial-up was still very popular when wc3 was first released. I remember playing it on dial-up and so it was designed to run on the slower internet as we didn't have the speeds that we have now then. This, they have to build for the lowest reasonable denominator and that was still AOL, oh god rofl. | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
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Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
There is no point in playing when there is an easier game, sc2, with more competition, better support and more prizes, as well as a demand on the computer spec side which will bring in more sponsors. The game isnt dead, no, but the gap between the professionals and amateurs is forever broken. | ||
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twalf
United States12 Posts
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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pioneer8
United States143 Posts
Oh well, they let it die, probably to divert attention to their newer games. Wc3 was one of the best, spectator wise, anyone who plays would probably agree. Seems to be a Blizzard policy to stop patching games and leave them imbalanced to divert attention to their newer titles... I suppose Kespa is to thank for theorizing new maps to lessen the imbalance. Just think they should keep patching them, especially for balance, sad. | ||
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Yukidasu
Australia125 Posts
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jHERO
China167 Posts
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On November 08 2010 11:15 pioneer8 wrote: I think Blizzard purposely stopped patching it and thus let the game die. Blademaster was just imbalanced. Should have made wind walk not glide through units, would have fixed it. Oh well, they let it die, probably to divert attention to their newer games. Wc3 was one of the best, spectator wise, anyone who plays would probably agree. Seems to be a Blizzard policy to stop patching games and leave them imbalanced to divert attention to their newer titles... I suppose Kespa is to thank for theorizing new maps to lessen the imbalance. Just think they should keep patching them, especially for balance, sad. To be honest if a game needs to be patched for balance after all these years of being released is a tell tale sign of its competitive future. Failure to balance a game after years shows a underlying failure in the game itself I think :/ Thus is why many jumped ship as soon as SC2 was available. | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
On November 08 2010 11:15 pioneer8 wrote: I think Blizzard purposely stopped patching it and thus let the game die. Blademaster was just imbalanced. Should have made wind walk not glide through units, would have fixed it. Oh well, they let it die, probably to divert attention to their newer games. Wc3 was one of the best, spectator wise, anyone who plays would probably agree. Seems to be a Blizzard policy to stop patching games and leave them imbalanced to divert attention to their newer titles... I suppose Kespa is to thank for theorizing new maps to lessen the imbalance. Just think they should keep patching them, especially for balance, sad. i think you're right. thats one thing i hate baout blizzard i dont think they care about their fans all they want is to make money. i'm noticing little things theyr'edoing in sc2 that just represent poor customer service | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On November 08 2010 11:15 pioneer8 wrote: I think Blizzard purposely stopped patching it and thus let the game die. Blademaster was just imbalanced. Should have made wind walk not glide through units, would have fixed it. Oh well, they let it die, probably to divert attention to their newer games. Wc3 was one of the best, spectator wise, anyone who plays would probably agree. Seems to be a Blizzard policy to stop patching games and leave them imbalanced to divert attention to their newer titles... I suppose Kespa is to thank for theorizing new maps to lessen the imbalance. Just think they should keep patching them, especially for balance, sad. Once I got into sc:bw and pro gaming in general, I always saw wc3 games and tournaments, but couldn't follow. Unlike sc, watching wc3 when you didn't know exactly what the players were doing and why they were doing it seemed really difficult. During sc games I could still know when something big happened, or usually which player had the advantage. I couldn't do this in wc3. Part of this could have been the casters. Gom with Tasteless and SuperDanielMan was extremely entertaining, even if you were new. | ||
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
It'll still be around for years as long as there's custom maps. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On November 09 2010 07:29 0mgVitaminE wrote: Once I got into sc:bw and pro gaming in general, I always saw wc3 games and tournaments, but couldn't follow. Unlike sc, watching wc3 when you didn't know exactly what the players were doing and why they were doing it seemed really difficult. During sc games I could still know when something big happened, or usually which player had the advantage. I couldn't do this in wc3. Part of this could have been the casters. Gom with Tasteless and SuperDanielMan was extremely entertaining, even if you were new. You really never watched War3 casted have you? I'll take Tod/Rotterdam over Tasteless/SDM any day. | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
and he had a big nose o.o User was banned for this post. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On November 09 2010 11:48 Judicator wrote: Nah, ToD isn't an asshole, he's a whiner (justified for sure) though. You hear it in some of his casts where he just spends the next 10 mins complaining about the Blademaster. i understand tod's sentiment. wc3 balancing was notoriously ignorant of the complaints of the community. blademaster contributed greatly to the demise of wc3 more than the release of sc2. | ||
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devilshootsdevil
Canada122 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
On November 07 2010 23:00 XsebT wrote: People don't stop walking just because of cars - Especially not with these boots. But people with cars don't usually walk if they can just use their car. And, while I love watching pro BW, I really think people are just raising false hopes. BW is done, not because there's no interest, but because Blizzard is shutting it all down. They've been having these negotiations for months, and still haven't come up with an agreement. Now that the proleague is running anyway, Blizzard is for sure going to say no. That's just the truth. | ||
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Razilas
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
On November 09 2010 12:43 Razilas wrote: when will wc4 come out?? any predictions :D Highly doubt it. With WoW I think that it really might not. If it did, maybe in a few years, they haven't even announced they're making it, if they are. I never really played War3 though. I never saw the appeal to it. Sorry. I found that Starcraft was a more macro intensive game, meaning it depended more on expanding, and producing. Rather than War3's micro intensive heroes. I just thought that the War3 heroes and micro was sort of silly. It was more of a "if your hero dies, you're screwed! Keep it alive" Like those games were you had to avoid being killed, by some crazy car. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Something that intrigues me is that THERE are recent games of high level players... Can anybody explain that? Time to wacth some wc3 in action !!! Any high level game of strategy is entertaining | ||
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Tekin
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Death.by.ninja
United States11 Posts
I just bought sc/bw and I think Sc2 is lame and bw is the real mans game no idle peon or auto mining path. just the pure skill of the player. thank you korea for keeping the game alive. JEADONG FIGHTING! User was warned for this post | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
Go to these sites to find people still interested in Warcraft 3 and the competitive scene. http://www.wcreplays.com/ http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
On November 09 2010 14:51 Death.by.ninja wrote: If i still had my War3 cd i would be playing right now...and if i rember correctly there was a major decline in war 3 about 5 years ago.. kinda old story but it is sad to see such a fun game go down the drain... o well I just bought sc/bw and I think Sc2 is lame and bw is the real mans game no idle peon or auto mining path. just the pure skill of the player. thank you korea for keeping the game alive. JEADONG FIGHTING! This post is far too confusing for anyone to understand. Warcraft III isn't dead, it just smells funny. It's still huge in China, and I heard (still trying to find a source) that there will be a league in China with a €110,000 prize pool in 2011. Grubby is really the only non-Asian player left able to compete with the best | ||
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DROPPINBOMBS
United States312 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9222 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On November 26 2010 17:00 Weavel wrote: Check this out. http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/13778-the-people-s-choice-chinese-government-to-sponsor-new-warcraft-iii-league Holy shit! That deserves it's own thread, I've never heard of anything like this. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On November 26 2010 17:00 Weavel wrote: Check this out. http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/13778-the-people-s-choice-chinese-government-to-sponsor-new-warcraft-iii-league Wow, that's nice. Too bad it's a bit too late. So many good players already left the WC3 scene =/ | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Games never die, so long as at least one person enjoys them they'll keep going. Hell I still play wc3 occasionally just because I like the style even if I hate no idea what I am doing coming from a SC background. You can't kill the love people have for a game ^^! | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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MFRessurectMe
Sweden22 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
, guess we will still see a few minor tours here & there with WCG 2011 as final goodbye tournament since rumor has it ( or its official already dunno ) that Shanghai will host wcg 2011 and I'm quite sure looking at the succes Wc3 was in 2009 Chengdu ( literally 10/15.000 people live cheering for their wc3 players , sickest thing i ever saw in e-sports :D ) that decision had a lot to do with Wc3 so I'll guess we'll see it in that one, but I don't think you can hope for anything in europe or whatsoever, just almost no interest anymore, which is sad cause I loved this game as well, would like a few changes though :D but it was great.Now that I think of it, 2011, WCG, Shanghai, awesome buuuuut, sc II, battle.net ONLINE?, gonna play a lan tournament online while being in China? :D blizzard better have chinese servers running by then otherwise its the fail of the century t_t | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17713 Posts
On November 26 2010 18:56 yejin wrote: Orc vs UD is the reason WC3 died. Activision-Blizzard negligence is the reason WC3 died out. I guess it became standard for Blizzard not to support their old games after WoW came out... Just look at it: BW ladder getting killed, D2 and WC3 being neglected into oblivion (it would be such a simple fix to get runewords and hacks done with in D2 and even simpler thing to increase the frequency of ladder resets and map-pool rotation in WC3). Once again I must bring the Relic Entertainment here, just look how they cater to their games. CoH is receiving constant updates, including major graphics overhauls (like adding DX10 support). Blizzard is large enough company to do the same for its older games, why won't they do it then? | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
On November 08 2010 04:00 BrownBear wrote: As long as Wc3 custom maps continue to exist, Wc3 will never truly die. I do agree that the competitive/high level scene is on it's last legs, though. Yeah but the custom map scene has been ruined by all those damn hostbots. It's near impossible to host a game without a hostbot these days - they have found a way to circumvent the regular BNet refresh system so their games are always on top. Therefore a normally hosted game has no chance of being seen by players. | ||
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Panzera
Belgium29 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
wc3 is definitely not going to die in China but everywhere else it's pretty much over edit : oh weavel did the move before me | ||
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OblivionMage
Canada377 Posts
It'll probably be a long while though, I'd guess after most of the following: --All three Starcraft 2 expansions --New MMO --Another two WoW expansions (2 more after Cataclysm ((All of their internal realm IDs were leaked (all 2600 of them) (as in you could edit your URL to a number between 1-2600 and it would tell you the realm name, not a fake 'leak', but more a web bug) a few years ago, and you could reference them with lore names and figure out the general storyline / expansion path (plus the 80-85 suggests an 85-90, then a final 90-100))) --D3 expansion? Or two? (this is the one thing I'm not ~80% sure of) Sorry for the wall of text. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
I'd love to see more well done wc3 english commentaries thou hell I'd watch it without a second thought. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17713 Posts
On November 26 2010 20:31 e4e5nf3 wrote: I know it's not a great indication, but all the chinese cybercafes in my area are still brimming with people playing mostly wc3/dota, even with computers that have sc2 installed. This might be because WC3 is a better game than SC2. But that's my personal opinion on the matter. And DotA is pretty huge in China, might be hard to top that. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2594 Posts
On November 26 2010 20:16 chenchen wrote: Starcraft 2 hasn't been localized to Mainland China yet, so WC3 there's still gonna be an esport powerhouse. Wow really? seems really odd. heheh. but hearing raynor talk mandarin would be hilarious > < so, is War3 ft the most widely played competitive game at China? or isit some other game? | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
On November 09 2010 22:29 frequency wrote: Warcraft III isn't dead, it just smells funny. It's still huge in China, and I heard (still trying to find a source) that there will be a league in China with a €110,000 prize pool in 2011 Told you. Also, please listen to Rotterdam, he knows what he's talking about. | ||
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yrag89
Malaysia315 Posts
On November 09 2010 12:43 Razilas wrote: when will wc4 come out?? any predictions :D Since this is about 'the future' of warcraft, i wonder where will the lore or story will continue with warcraft 4 since there is so much events happening in WoW. or are those in WoW just canon? | ||
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