NBA 2010-2011 Season - Page 107

On March 03 2011 10:16 Roffles wrote:
Too much iso basketball from the Hawks. Rarely do I see many set plays and a nice halfcourt offense. A lot of their offense relies on just 1 on 1 basketball in the halfcourt along with pushing the tempo for some easy fastbreak points with their athleticism in the open court. But they're a trainwreck when it comes to meshing together. Hopefully it'll get better with the addition of Hinrich, but we'll see.

Also, the effort level from the Hawks isn't always consistent. When they get down, it's hard for them to get back, cause I feel like they just don't have the winners mentality. It's not there for the group. Athleticism, talent, it's all there. They can run with the best of em, hang with the bigs, but in the clutch time, I just haven't seen them deliver. There's something missing, but it's really hard to tell with the Hawks, because they'll be great one night, but the next night they'll be god awful. Consistency? Effort? Who knows?

Wade has been caught napping a lot of times on defense this season so I'm not surprised about what the numbers show. Not sure if it's because he's overcompensating or also getting burned by PGs on cross match ups.

On March 03 2011 11:02 Roffles wrote:
Another aspect that doesn't help the Hawks out is the lameness of the crowds at any major sports event in Atlanta. Fans here in Atlanta are absolute garbage when it comes to cheering for any team. Playoff game at Turner Field, can barely fill that. Playoff game at Phillips, can barely hear them. Players got no heart, fans got no heart either. Just a losing situation. No wonder we've only got one title in god knows how many years over all the major sporting events.

On March 03 2011 08:00 slyboogie wrote:


In this case you are absolutely correct. If we use advanced statistics, KPelton's WARP, Basketball References Win Shares or David Berri's Wins Produced (Blegh,) then your point on point guards proves out 100%. Even if we just use our scouting eyeballs, we can plainly see Lebron and Dwight Howard do things that no one else can do.

Thanks for clearing up your point, it makes a lot of sense from that perspective. However, I have to say that this may just be because we are in a "Point Guard" revolution period, where all these bright young players are coming out right when CP3 and D-Will hit their primes. So replaceable is relative to the era.

On March 03 2011 08:01 Ace wrote:
By "wrongly accused" I mean his defense in ISOs vs PFs and even when playing out of position against Centers. Toronto being better defensively with him on the bench was due to what? Is Miami better defensively with Bosh on the bench?

@clutz: Win Shares is a stat that's hard to correlate with how replaceable a player is. It heavily depends on your team and even where you play.

On March 03 2011 12:26 cLutZ wrote:

I was not talking in terms of those advanced metrics, and yes it depends. I'm just saying that if you could pick the position the best player on your team plays, you would not choose PG.

On March 03 2011 13:19 slyboogie wrote:


I did some thinking and I now feel like you're rewarding the center and small forward positions for their relative lack of depth and punishing PG for its richness in talent. I posit that Chris Paul is AS special as Dwight Howard but Dwight Howard doesn't have a "Deron Williams" type player to compare with.

On March 03 2011 13:23 BalliSLife wrote:
Sorry for going off topic but do you guys know any free basketball streams like atdhe.net? it kinda blows what happened to that site.

On March 03 2011 08:12 city42 wrote:

What is this SK nonsense? Have my dreams of you playing SC2 just been shattered?

On March 03 2011 14:07 slyboogie wrote:
Ahh, I tend to disagree with you. I'm 23, so I remember MJ and I agree with you that he was the best physical specimen (48 inch vert!) But I don't think that the hand check rule was that important. It did end the effectiveness of guys like Starbury and Steve Francis. There tends to be this nostalgia about the past but, like in football, players get bigger, faster and stronger every generation.

I think CP3 is the best point guard since Magic and Deron will ultimately end up in that Mark Jackson class. Again, I'm 23 so I don't exactly know (or care, sorry) about Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson but I'm sure they got to the rim easily too.

Since 1990, the NBA has instituted a series of rules changes to increase the offensive player's flow and make physical play costly. First came increased penalties for flagrant fouls (1990) and fighting (1993), the implementation of the "five points" rule that called for automatic suspensions of players who amassed a certain number of flagrants (1993). Hand checking was eliminated in 1994. Using the forearm to defend players facing the basket went away in 1997.

In 1999, the league eliminated contact by a defender with his hands and forearms both in the backcourt and frontcourt, except on offensive players who caught the ball below the free throw line extended. Defenses were also prohibited from "re-routing" players off the ball. This freed up perimeter players who used screens to get open. Nor were defenders able any more to grab or impede offensive players setting screens. In 2001, the defensive three-second rule eliminated defenders camping out in the lane away from their offensive man to help.

"You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50."

On March 03 2011 11:22 Ace wrote:
Lots of rage in Chicago right now.

On March 03 2011 16:57 igotmyown wrote:
You also forget about Charles Oakley creating the flagrant foul rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARNlsN4EBG0

Imagine 6 of these.

On March 04 2011 03:40 FQD1911 wrote:


.............

still can't believe it.