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On April 29 2011 13:07 Sprungjeezy wrote:
GDI, nothing ruins a great thread like this more than a f**king centipde on the wall. BRB.
Also looking forward to this, hope it can turn out well. Mafia is getting old (not quickly, but slightly).
Edit: The centipede is slain and SotIS (or w/e) is just an imposter of DotA (as is HoN and LoL - while League tried to be its own game with its own lore, the balance team of the game is basically trash and HoN is basically a complete DotA copy/paste with their own extremely OP heroes and again, poor balancing). Hopefully Valve's DotA 2 will have the same balancing as the original DotA, and hopefully will not have to copy/paste many (if not any) heroes from the original.
But I have high hopes for Blizzard's DotA. I'm hoping they make their own very unique characters and work EXTREMELY hard to balance it and make the UI friendly to newer users (ie recommended items/tips/hints/guides?)l
Not sure what you've been hearing about DotA 2, but since Icefrog is pretty much heading the production of DotA 2, along with what I've seen in previews and "leaks," DotA 2 will have a good amount (if not all) the heroes of DotA copy/pasted over except probably with some updates/tweaks.
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On April 29 2011 13:18 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 13:07 Sprungjeezy wrote:
GDI, nothing ruins a great thread like this more than a f**king centipde on the wall. BRB.
Also looking forward to this, hope it can turn out well. Mafia is getting old (not quickly, but slightly).
Edit: The centipede is slain and SotIS (or w/e) is just an imposter of DotA (as is HoN and LoL - while League tried to be its own game with its own lore, the balance team of the game is basically trash and HoN is basically a complete DotA copy/paste with their own extremely OP heroes and again, poor balancing). Hopefully Valve's DotA 2 will have the same balancing as the original DotA, and hopefully will not have to copy/paste many (if not any) heroes from the original.
But I have high hopes for Blizzard's DotA. I'm hoping they make their own very unique characters and work EXTREMELY hard to balance it and make the UI friendly to newer users (ie recommended items/tips/hints/guides?)l Not sure what you've been hearing about DotA 2, but since Icefrog is pretty much heading the production of DotA 2, along with what I've seen in previews and "leaks," DotA 2 will have a good amount (if not all) the heroes of DotA copy/pasted over except probably with some updates/tweaks.
Not sure what you've been hearing about DotA 2, but post some sources. Don't meant to sound like a dick, but the last bit of information that I have seen was from 2010. I would be surprised if Valve/Icefrog/legit source has said anything remotely close to that.
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Icefrog has said that all the dota heroes will be copy pasted, while also making improvements to some which would not have been possible due to the war3 engine limitations..
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Icefrog also said he will is no longer making DotA 2. He said Valve asked if he would mind if they finished the game and just gave him his share of the money and he decided that was cool with him.
Source please?
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On April 29 2011 13:07 Sprungjeezy wrote:
GDI, nothing ruins a great thread like this more than a f**king centipde on the wall. BRB.
Also looking forward to this, hope it can turn out well. Mafia is getting old (not quickly, but slightly).
Edit: The centipede is slain and SotIS (or w/e) is just an imposter of DotA (as is HoN and LoL - while League tried to be its own game with its own lore, the balance team of the game is basically trash and HoN is basically a complete DotA copy/paste with their own extremely OP heroes and again, poor balancing). Hopefully Valve's DotA 2 will have the same balancing as the original DotA, and hopefully will not have to copy/paste many (if not any) heroes from the original.
But I have high hopes for Blizzard's DotA. I'm hoping they make their own very unique characters and work EXTREMELY hard to balance it and make the UI friendly to newer users (ie recommended items/tips/hints/guides?)l
If you actually played HoN you would know the game is very different from DotA
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On April 29 2011 13:07 Sprungjeezy wrote:
GDI, nothing ruins a great thread like this more than a f**king centipde on the wall. BRB.
Also looking forward to this, hope it can turn out well. Mafia is getting old (not quickly, but slightly).
Edit: The centipede is slain and SotIS (or w/e) is just an imposter of DotA (as is HoN and LoL - while League tried to be its own game with its own lore, the balance team of the game is basically trash and HoN is basically a complete DotA copy/paste with their own extremely OP heroes and again, poor balancing). Hopefully Valve's DotA 2 will have the same balancing as the original DotA, and hopefully will not have to copy/paste many (if not any) heroes from the original.
But I have high hopes for Blizzard's DotA. I'm hoping they make their own very unique characters and work EXTREMELY hard to balance it and make the UI friendly to newer users (ie recommended items/tips/hints/guides?)l
what? league's lore had nothing to do with anything
actually HoN has more lore background from savage/savage2
also, Hon is fairly balanced. the worst off they get is whenever a new hero comes out it tends to need a nerf or buff
but yea I hope dota2 isn't a fluke
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On April 29 2011 13:30 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 13:18 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 29 2011 13:07 Sprungjeezy wrote:
GDI, nothing ruins a great thread like this more than a f**king centipde on the wall. BRB.
Also looking forward to this, hope it can turn out well. Mafia is getting old (not quickly, but slightly).
Edit: The centipede is slain and SotIS (or w/e) is just an imposter of DotA (as is HoN and LoL - while League tried to be its own game with its own lore, the balance team of the game is basically trash and HoN is basically a complete DotA copy/paste with their own extremely OP heroes and again, poor balancing). Hopefully Valve's DotA 2 will have the same balancing as the original DotA, and hopefully will not have to copy/paste many (if not any) heroes from the original.
But I have high hopes for Blizzard's DotA. I'm hoping they make their own very unique characters and work EXTREMELY hard to balance it and make the UI friendly to newer users (ie recommended items/tips/hints/guides?)l Not sure what you've been hearing about DotA 2, but since Icefrog is pretty much heading the production of DotA 2, along with what I've seen in previews and "leaks," DotA 2 will have a good amount (if not all) the heroes of DotA copy/pasted over except probably with some updates/tweaks. Not sure what you've been hearing about DotA 2, but post some sources. Don't meant to sound like a dick, but the last bit of information that I have seen was from 2010. I would be surprised if Valve/Icefrog/legit source has said anything remotely close to that.
Assuming you guys are talking about the DotA 2 roster specifically, I dug up a very old source from October saying:
DotA-Allstars' roster of 100+ heroes is being brought over in its entirety. The single map games take place on is functionally identical to the one that you can download for free today in the Warcraft III mod. Items, skills, and upgrade paths are unchanged. Some hero skills work slightly better due to being freed from the now-ancient Warcraft III engine, but Dota 2 will be instantly familiar to any DotA player.
Source: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2010/10/13/dota-2-announced-details.aspx
I have no idea about the "leaks" Ryuu was talking about.
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Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread.
I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports.
Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread.
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On April 29 2011 15:21 jstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread. I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports. Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread.
You speak about and praise HoN in the BLIZZARD DOTA thread and you tell others to "GTFO"? What the hell is wrong with you? You're pretty rude.
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On April 29 2011 18:50 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 15:21 jstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread. I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports. Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread. You speak about and praise HoN in the BLIZZARD DOTA thread and you tell others to "GTFO"? What the hell is wrong with you? You're pretty rude.
I wasn't really praising HoN, I'm just telling the truth.
And yes there is lots to praise about HoN. It's Dota Hardcore mode. 1400 pugs in there will CRUSH any Dota pug in Clan TDA or whatever "premium" league that Dota has these days. Game is so competitive that anyone saying HoN has no e-sports scene deserves to be smacked. And don't go around calling people rude. Stop backseat moderating k?
But about Blizzard Dota, it'll be great for casual players but I don't see them competing with HoN or Dota 2 in e-sports. They could use the fact that it's under the SC2 platform to leverage its e-sports scene but we'll have to see. I still think Blizzard will mostly focus on SC2 itself.
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On April 29 2011 19:18 jstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 18:50 JackDino wrote:On April 29 2011 15:21 jstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread. I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports. Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread. You speak about and praise HoN in the BLIZZARD DOTA thread and you tell others to "GTFO"? What the hell is wrong with you? You're pretty rude. I wasn't really praising HoN, I'm just telling the truth. And yes there is lots to praise about HoN. It's Dota Hardcore mode. 1400 pugs in there will CRUSH any Dota pug in Clan TDA or whatever "premium" league that Dota has these days. Game is so competitive that anyone saying HoN has no e-sports scene deserves to be smacked. And don't go around calling people rude. Stop backseat moderating k? But about Blizzard Dota, it'll be great for casual players but I don't see them competing with HoN or Dota 2 in e-sports. They could use the fact that it's under the SC2 platform to leverage its e-sports scene but we'll have to see. I still think Blizzard will mostly focus on SC2 itself.
You're a giant dick, I'm not being rude, I'm just telling the truth(you can figure out what happened here).
Fact is you keep saying stuff about HoN that no one really cares about, atleast not in this thread, nor am I contributing but this isn't what I expected to read when I saw the thread pop up again.
If blizzard puts enough time in their version of dota it'll be great for sure.
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On April 29 2011 19:21 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 19:18 jstar wrote:On April 29 2011 18:50 JackDino wrote:On April 29 2011 15:21 jstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread. I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports. Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread. You speak about and praise HoN in the BLIZZARD DOTA thread and you tell others to "GTFO"? What the hell is wrong with you? You're pretty rude. I wasn't really praising HoN, I'm just telling the truth. And yes there is lots to praise about HoN. It's Dota Hardcore mode. 1400 pugs in there will CRUSH any Dota pug in Clan TDA or whatever "premium" league that Dota has these days. Game is so competitive that anyone saying HoN has no e-sports scene deserves to be smacked. And don't go around calling people rude. Stop backseat moderating k? But about Blizzard Dota, it'll be great for casual players but I don't see them competing with HoN or Dota 2 in e-sports. They could use the fact that it's under the SC2 platform to leverage its e-sports scene but we'll have to see. I still think Blizzard will mostly focus on SC2 itself. You're a giant dick, I'm not being rude, I'm just telling the truth(you can figure out what happened here). Fact is you keep saying stuff about HoN that no one really cares about, atleast not in this thread, nor am I contributing but this isn't what I expected to read when I saw the thread pop up again. If blizzard puts enough time in their version of dota it'll be great for sure.
I saw an ignorant post, I corrected it. That is all.
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On April 29 2011 19:18 jstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 18:50 JackDino wrote:On April 29 2011 15:21 jstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2011 15:14 Sprungjeezy wrote:
Thanks for that source, I had only heard that it was probable that the DotA original heroes would be transferred.
As for HoN. I played it during beta and play it now and if you think it is different from DotA, you are only fooling yourself. As for HoN's balancing, it is better than League of Legends balancing, but it is still pretty bad. HoN relies too much on forum QQ when it does its patching. It doesn't know how to see when the community hasn't put forth effort in learning to deal with things and when it nerfs it removes the hero from any usefulness. I suppose this may be a lot of my opinion but I feel its pretty accurate, I play with a lot of pretty good players in my gaming community (~2k ELO in both League and HoN at seperate times) and in seems the general consensus is that League and HoN have poor balancing teams/ideas.
I could go on for days on whats wrong with these games, they're both fun, but could never make it as an esport and hopefully DotA 2 will be able to make it (and it seems it will with all of its features). And hopefully DotA 2 will not get the atrocious community that seems to revolve around ever game (besides SC2).
And I think DotA 2 could easily turn a good long term profit by making the game cheap (as it seems to require very little (in comparison to enitrely new games) work) and catering to the people who are wary to jump ship and make the DotA 2 community very large from the get go and profit from it becoming an esport (as many of us would love to see).
Gosh, I hope no one minds that we seemed to have de-railed a necro'd thread. I don't know about LoL, and couldn't care less about that game, but saying HoN can't make it into e-sports is as retarded as saying BW can't make it into e-sports. Gosugamers, Samsung, ESL, Steelseries, Team EG and a whole lot of other teams and sponsors have dedicated HoN tournaments and huge prize pools. There are tournaments like every day, so I don't know what you're talking about. GTFO this thread. You speak about and praise HoN in the BLIZZARD DOTA thread and you tell others to "GTFO"? What the hell is wrong with you? You're pretty rude. I wasn't really praising HoN, I'm just telling the truth. And yes there is lots to praise about HoN. It's Dota Hardcore mode. 1400 pugs in there will CRUSH any Dota pug in Clan TDA or whatever "premium" league that Dota has these days. Game is so competitive that anyone saying HoN has no e-sports scene deserves to be smacked. And don't go around calling people rude. Stop backseat moderating k? But about Blizzard Dota, it'll be great for casual players but I don't see them competing with HoN or Dota 2 in e-sports. They could use the fact that it's under the SC2 platform to leverage its e-sports scene but we'll have to see. I still think Blizzard will mostly focus on SC2 itself.
if DotA2 is the messiah to the genre as it touted to be then HoN will probably ultimately be left behind because its too similar to DotA. hon isnt anymore hardcore than dota, but the improved interface makes it a lot more likely to get games with better skilled people and contrary to what people say the games (and its players) are different.
and also the current international DotA scene is far more competitive than the HoN's scene because of the asian (chinese) scene
blizzard dota as it is cant be taken seriously as a competitive game since it will take a while for the game to be fleshed out and balanced properly, but it will probably be very fun for sc2 players that want to play customs. sometimes people just want to play something a little different but in the same game.
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I believe it's being called "Blizzard All-Stars" rather than "Blizzard DotA", featuring characters from all of their franchises as heroes.
I personally can't wait. I don't have enough time to play both SC2 and HoN, and while HoN is a brilliant game, I'd rather play something similar within SC2 right now. SotIS is just...how do I say bad without saying bad? SotIS is just...unpolished.
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If you actually played HoN you would know the game is very different from DotA
I've played DotA, and it's hardly different from DotA compared to DotA -- at least in the way that it's the closest "DotA clone" to DotA. The game's foundation was just a copy of DotA almost exactly, and even after when they started to add their own work to it, it is still vastly consisting of what's already in DotA.
@Ruscour
Yeah it's called All-Stars now, I like that name... Blizzard DotA felt more like a placeholder name, which I'm sure it was.
And I agree, obviously a lot of time was put into SotiS; it's a dota game where the heroes have a more starcrafty feel... but it is very very unpolished (and on top of that, they probably need to scrap the entire map terrain wise and make it bigger as it is way too cramped).
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Right here is the most recent update on Blizzard DotA/All-Stars/Bonanza
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On July 27 2011 06:15 Razgreez wrote:Right here is the most recent update on Blizzard DotA/All-Stars/Bonanza
Haha he actually responds? Nice!
I heard he used to play with people back then in beta, but now I'm guessing he doesn't as much.
Anyways, it's good to know he answers at least sometimes :D
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