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On September 05 2014 15:00 Meta wrote:
For the first time ever, I bought an entire case of booster boxes. Here's hoping these fetches are good long term investments. Here's the way I see it. This new card face give them higher appreciate potential due to the fact that it's harder to fake them. Some of the fakes I've seen out of China are pretty good, especially two of the zendikar fetches. Of course they don't pass the light test, but I still feel like the new fetches will have more longevity against such threats to the market.
Anyway, I'm super stoked about this. I'm not really a standard player at all, and morph is a terrible mechanic (outlast seems bad too), but I think limited should be fun. It's looking better than Theros in terms of variety.
I had talked myself out of buying packs anymore, but the new fetches are tempting me to reconsider. Unfortunately nothing else has me terribly excited about the set so far.
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On September 05 2014 15:00 Meta wrote:
For the first time ever, I bought an entire case of booster boxes. Here's hoping these fetches are good long term investments. Here's the way I see it. This new card face give them higher appreciate potential due to the fact that it's harder to fake them. Some of the fakes I've seen out of China are pretty good, especially two of the zendikar fetches. Of course they don't pass the light test, but I still feel like the new fetches will have more longevity against such threats to the market.
Anyway, I'm super stoked about this. I'm not really a standard player at all, and morph is a terrible mechanic (outlast seems bad too), but I think limited should be fun. It's looking better than Theros in terms of variety.
I'm not too sure about buying a case to get fetchlands. Each box will yield you 3 fetchs on average so a case will give u 18 of them excluding foil fetchs. With the money spent on a case ($600ish USD?), I think its possible to get 40 fetchs for that price, amusing 15USD per fetch on average when prices have stablised. This block seems to be a fetchland + some random rare block to me so far.
May the RNG be with you. A foil fetch in each box!
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So, I spent $520 it, plus a friend and I operate a store out of ebay, so we're going to sell all the excess crap that we can. I think it'll even out, even at only 15 fetchlands.
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On September 05 2014 22:02 Meta wrote:
So, I spent $520 it, plus a friend and I operate a store out of ebay, so we're going to sell all the excess crap that we can. I think it'll even out, even at only 15 fetchlands.
That's assuming you'll move all the excess crap which I doubt you will.
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On September 05 2014 05:43 RoieTRS wrote:
Creatures are so boring I wish they'd spoil something cool other than Utter End which is p cool tbh.
Unless they spoiled a creature that was like 6/5 for 3 mana that would be exciting and new but tacking on haste or 'when this card attacks other boring creatures get boring first strike or draw a boring card' is so dull
And then they spoil Savage Knuckleblade.
Finally an exciting creature.
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On September 05 2014 22:02 Meta wrote:
So, I spent $520 it, plus a friend and I operate a store out of ebay, so we're going to sell all the excess crap that we can. I think it'll even out, even at only 15 fetchlands.
where did you find a case for $520? I'd probably get in on that.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Should I have any hopes for standard format (magic leak being reprinted) or am I doomed to only play legacy on cockatrice?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
If you want to play mana leak so badly there's always Modern haha
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idk from the looks of it one of the best Standard rotations ever is on the way out in the next few weeks and its being replaced by Creatures that Turn Sideways: The Format
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Hmm, this set is interesting for standard from a control player's side of things. BUG has the best support (Prognostic Sphinx is going to be a killer) and mana base (duh), but Esper with splash white (since you don't have a good wrath anymore or revelation) has the best removal (if anything Wizards has done is that if you want to run catch-all spells you need to pay more mana in some kind of way). The question right now boils down to whether the Carytid/Courser shell is better than anything Esper can offer (I would venture yes).
UWR isn't a control shell any more with the recent spoils.
Don't expect Mana Leak period, pretty sure Wizards is already on record saying that the Leak design would never be printed by today's standards of printing Yugioh monsters.
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Junk midrange/aggro is looking pretty good too. Soldier of the Pantheon is going to be a killer given the fact there's a multicolor block coming. The GWB Ascendancy acting as a virtual anthem and pseudo wrath protection is everything you want in an aggro/midrange shell.
I mean combine GWB Ascendency, Spirit Bonds, and just efficient creatures like Fleecemane Lion, Anafenza, Soldier of the Pantheon, and Brimaz and support Planeswalkers like Elspeth, new Sorin, Ajani, and Nissa and you've got a really solid core for a midrange deck.
Can't wait to see if there's token support.
Ooh, and sideboard some Arbor Colossi, Bow of Nylea...god I'm getting too excited about this.
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The problem with the GWB ascendancy is the 3 mana cost, I am not sure if thats what you really want to be playing on turn 3 in this format. Wrath protection is irrelevant if the best removals thus far can respond to your Ascendancy (Downfall) or outright ignore it (Utter End/Silence for honorable mentions).
I think GWB is a trap because honestly I don't think the 2 creatures and 1 spell you are losing to rotation is replaceable by those things.
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On September 06 2014 07:24 Judicator wrote:
The problem with the GWB ascendancy is the 3 mana cost, I am not sure if thats what you really want to be playing on turn 3 in this format. Wrath protection is irrelevant if the best removals thus far can respond to your Ascendancy (Downfall) or outright ignore it (Utter End/Silence for honorable mentions).
I think GWB is a trap because honestly I don't think the 2 creatures and 1 spell you are losing to rotation is replaceable by those things.
I'm just thinking about the line T1 Soldier, T2 Fleecemane, T3 Ascendency and that's 9 damage and 2 difficult to deal with threats on the board on T3. If they do deal, you still get a token. If you play Sorin T4, you're threatening to put them to 2 and gain a bunch of life, they'll have to chump with something.
I just think the combination of the Planeswalkers and Asecendancy lets you play a few really good threats and force people to deal with every single one. With Ajani especially, you'll probably draw more threats than they have removal spells.
Plus, we haven't seen the whole set. Ideally, we'll get a really good 4 drop to replace Desecration Demon and a decent finisher to replace Obzedat/Blood Baron.
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I'm looking at Junk Walkers with Caryatid, Courser, Sorin, Ajani, Elspeth and maybe Polukranos or Brimaz
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On September 06 2014 07:34 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 07:24 Judicator wrote:
The problem with the GWB ascendancy is the 3 mana cost, I am not sure if thats what you really want to be playing on turn 3 in this format. Wrath protection is irrelevant if the best removals thus far can respond to your Ascendancy (Downfall) or outright ignore it (Utter End/Silence for honorable mentions).
I think GWB is a trap because honestly I don't think the 2 creatures and 1 spell you are losing to rotation is replaceable by those things. I'm just thinking about the line T1 Soldier, T2 Fleecemane, T3 Ascendency and that's 9 damage and 2 difficult to deal with threats on the board on T3. If they do deal, you still get a token. If you play Sorin T4, you're threatening to put them to 2 and gain a bunch of life, they'll have to chump with something. I just think the combination of the Planeswalkers and Asecendancy lets you play a few really good threats and force people to deal with every single one. With Ajani especially, you'll probably draw more threats than they have removal spells. Plus, we haven't seen the whole set. Ideally, we'll get a really good 4 drop to replace Desecration Demon and a decent finisher to replace Obzedat/Blood Baron.
Turn 1 plains turn 2 forest turn 3 swamp to do that play with both this block and the previous having no shock lands and aside from fetches they are entering tabbed.
Your play seems unrealistic. You can play 3 colors no problem but its going to be slow and prob not suited to an aggro/midrange play.
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There are also the painlands. It is certainly hard though. I feel like for a 3 color deck you probably just want to skip 1 drops so you can always temple turn 1.
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On September 06 2014 07:34 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 07:24 Judicator wrote:
The problem with the GWB ascendancy is the 3 mana cost, I am not sure if thats what you really want to be playing on turn 3 in this format. Wrath protection is irrelevant if the best removals thus far can respond to your Ascendancy (Downfall) or outright ignore it (Utter End/Silence for honorable mentions).
I think GWB is a trap because honestly I don't think the 2 creatures and 1 spell you are losing to rotation is replaceable by those things. I'm just thinking about the line T1 Soldier, T2 Fleecemane, T3 Ascendency and that's 9 damage and 2 difficult to deal with threats on the board on T3. If they do deal, you still get a token. If you play Sorin T4, you're threatening to put them to 2 and gain a bunch of life, they'll have to chump with something. I just think the combination of the Planeswalkers and Asecendancy lets you play a few really good threats and force people to deal with every single one. With Ajani especially, you'll probably draw more threats than they have removal spells. Plus, we haven't seen the whole set. Ideally, we'll get a really good 4 drop to replace Desecration Demon and a decent finisher to replace Obzedat/Blood Baron.
Yeah no, as others have mentioned, you are relying basically on 3 nontapped sources of mana in a tricolor deck. Don't think that's reasonable at all.
Planeswalkers can also just die or the creature can die and the other deck can answer at sorcery speed. You have either get tempo by playing multiple threats on one turn (I don't think this is happening with your best enabler rotating out RIP Shaman). Ajani is also a turn 5 play and you're not deploying a threat that turn beyond your current board and Ajani. That's a problem.
You're not getting cards at the level of Obzedat/Baron for this set without either it being 6 CMC or a third color which is kind of hard considering the mana symbols on Baron/Obzedat. Neither of which works out in your favor as a mid range deck. Don't get me wrong though, I think Junk has the cards, I just don't think it'll come together.
Shotcoder has a better idea because the Carytid/Courser engine is so fucking strong that you can grind out very good board states which junk excels at. The problem is that Xenagos and Jund will probably beat it since they have a better color in a creature match up, when you ask the question if you want Stormbreath Dragon and Sarkhan over whatever white has to offer (at this point Utter End and Banishing Light), I'll take cards that win me the game as opposed to reactive cards.
I am currently brewing around Prognostic Sphinx since given the removal in this set and how good our mana accel is right now and how stupid that guy is if you get one swing off of it with a Courser in play.
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I should clarify, Junk has a hard time playing more than 1 threat at a time. Given the format is probably going to start looking to trade 1-1 with big spells that go over the top, that is not where you want to be.
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On September 06 2014 09:04 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 07:34 deth2munkies wrote:On September 06 2014 07:24 Judicator wrote:
The problem with the GWB ascendancy is the 3 mana cost, I am not sure if thats what you really want to be playing on turn 3 in this format. Wrath protection is irrelevant if the best removals thus far can respond to your Ascendancy (Downfall) or outright ignore it (Utter End/Silence for honorable mentions).
I think GWB is a trap because honestly I don't think the 2 creatures and 1 spell you are losing to rotation is replaceable by those things. I'm just thinking about the line T1 Soldier, T2 Fleecemane, T3 Ascendency and that's 9 damage and 2 difficult to deal with threats on the board on T3. If they do deal, you still get a token. If you play Sorin T4, you're threatening to put them to 2 and gain a bunch of life, they'll have to chump with something. I just think the combination of the Planeswalkers and Asecendancy lets you play a few really good threats and force people to deal with every single one. With Ajani especially, you'll probably draw more threats than they have removal spells. Plus, we haven't seen the whole set. Ideally, we'll get a really good 4 drop to replace Desecration Demon and a decent finisher to replace Obzedat/Blood Baron. Yeah no, as others have mentioned, you are relying basically on 3 nontapped sources of mana in a tricolor deck. Don't think that's reasonable at all.
You are building your deck wrong if you're jamming 4 taplands and 12 temples in a tricolor deck. Fetches want basics and Mana Confluence still exists. Given the amount of lifegain (mostly via lifelink) that looks like is coming out of this color combo, you should have no problem playing at least 4-5 basics and at least 5 fetches and possibly 4 confluence.
A 23 land manabase would look something like:
2x Plains
3x Forest
4x Windswept Heath
4x Junk tapland
4x Mana Confluence
3x Caves of Kolios
1x Temple of Plenty
2x Llanowar Wastes
The higher the curve, the more taplands you can play, but I'd prefer to keep the total and curve fairly low, with 1-2 Elspeth being the most expensive thing in the deck.
Edit: I'm dumb and forgot completely that the painlands exist. Untapped mana is not a problem if you're willing to pay life, and given that several junk cards already do that (and/or have lifelink) and Sorin and Whip of Erebos GIVE lifelink, there's no reason to not have untapped mana,
My Junk deck would be based on curving out into larger and larger threats with protection and tokens as a subtheme. Jund is typically better at the grindy game, but we'll have to see which color they splash for given Jund is not a supported shard in KTK.
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Junk did win the block pro tour in a format defined by 1-for-1 trades. The red cards weren't appreciably better than the non-Elspeth white cards in Block (also tended to be worse than the black cards, comparing Junk to Naya). Other than Sarkhan maybe, that seems to be the case here and Abzan/Junk is explicitly supported in Khans.
Imo the real reason to play Jund or any shard is having 8 on-color fetches.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Full Khans Set is on the Mothership. Somewhat disappointing cards. =/
Wonder what would be the best clan for prerelease. Azban or Temur is my guess. Jeskai and Sultani seem really underpowered. Don't have an opinion about Mardu.
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