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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
I also don't buy into the whole Eternal Formats breaking people when it comes to PTs. The majority of Pros are often seen at SCG events every weekend to play in these formats. To jump back to the whole "Featuring new cards" thing, we didn't have these Delver Decks (ITS CALLED DELVER AS ITS SIGNATURE CARD FOR CHRIST SAKE) until people realized how powerful of a tempo card it actually was when built correctly. Deathrite Shaman has people calling for it to be banned in more ways than one. I just find the not "showcasing" newer cards to be complete and total crap. Get rid of all the people who they have putting these PT's and things together, fire their production staff for the PTS and just hire/buyout SCGLive team. You'll actually have a following worth a damn at that point. On August 03 2014 21:09 mr_tolkien wrote: Well, they ARE right. Modern is stale. PT outcome would be 90% based on Draft results and just hours of modern experience, not deckbuilding. Standard right now is incredibly diverse, which shows Wizards did a very good job at balancing it. Standard has quite a few decks at the moment, but that doesn't mean that the format was designed awkwardly. All 8 decks revolve around Resolving 1 haymaker spell and then trading mutavaults for positional value and racing. What I will give this PT, is that the Devotion Decks that have generally ruled the format for the past year are nonexistant which I find to be a major plus. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22441 Posts
the PT is there for promotion pure and simple and outside of "magic exists" a modern PT doesnt promote anything for wizards. If someone starts to play modern because of it Wizards doesn't make money off him since their buying old cards, not new ones. Meanwhile every time someone builds a standard deck Wizards makes another load of cash. Ofc Wizards want people to be hooked on Standard as much as possible since its their most profitable format. | ||
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22441 Posts
On August 04 2014 02:58 caelym wrote: whatever happened to PTs showcasing highest level of magic playing and experience. sigh. all of the official magic response just show how they're complete casuals. The PT has always been about promotion for Wizards. Thats why it is so top heavy with the players club. To keep the same people showing up and building story lines to sell. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 04 2014 02:58 caelym wrote: whatever happened to PTs showcasing highest level of magic playing and experience. sigh. all of the official magic response just show how they're complete casuals. Says the Hearthstone player :p It just makes sense for Modern not to be pushed in PTs since that's not the goal of the PTs. The GPs are later this year for MM2 to put cards in the players hands. If you want to crown a player "best in magic", there is the World Cup. And I trust that it'll make Standard way more interesting. With only 2 PTs, the pros didn't test that much in-between. Here, we'll get year-long standard testing teams, which means better quality in decks. On August 04 2014 10:29 Hagen0 wrote: The UW control deck of Floch and some others is pretty awesome. Quicken->Verdict feels so much more powerful than most Standard plays. Actually, UW control fared terribly on Day 2. Despite having 20+ pilots (and therefore being the most represented) it only placed one in the top 8, with an overall winrate way below the average. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 04 2014 23:08 mr_tolkien wrote: Says the Hearthstone player :p It just makes sense for Modern not to be pushed in PTs since that's not the goal of the PTs. The GPs are later this year for MM2 to put cards in the players hands. If you want to crown a player "best in magic", there is the World Cup. And I trust that it'll make Standard way more interesting. With only 2 PTs, the pros didn't test that much in-between. Here, we'll get year-long standard testing teams, which means better quality in decks. Actually, UW control fared terribly on Day 2. Despite having 20+ pilots (and therefore being the most represented) it only placed one in the top 8, with an overall winrate way below the average. It depends on the builds and it also depends on the pilot. Like that deck is tiring as fuck and doubly so at that level. Still though, planar cleansing is hilarious. I still like Jund over it since you can just roll face and win quickly if they stumble. | ||
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
On August 04 2014 23:08 mr_tolkien wrote: Actually, UW control fared terribly on Day 2. Despite having 20+ pilots (and therefore being the most represented) it only placed one in the top 8, with an overall winrate way below the average. I wasn't speaking about UW control in general but about the specific build of Floch and Sifka with Planar Cleansing and 4 Quicken. Instant speed Planar Cleansing is hilarious. It also conveyed a sense of power that made me like watching it play although the games could be quite tedious since Floch played zero win conditions (except if you count decking them through repeated use of Elixir of Immortality I suppose). I wouldn't be surprised if the deck wasn't that strong especially in timed play but it was awesome to watch. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 05 2014 01:10 Hagen0 wrote: I wasn't speaking about UW control in general but about the specific build of Floch and Sifka with Planar Cleansing and 4 Quicken. Instant speed Planar Cleansing is hilarious. It also conveyed a sense of power that made me like watching it play although the games could be quite tedious since Floch played zero win conditions (except if you count decking them through repeated use of Elixir of Immortality I suppose). I wouldn't be surprised if the deck wasn't that strong especially in timed play but it was awesome to watch. Well, this build has been the standard since Temple of Malady is in Standard (which gave Decay to B devotion). A good friend of mine (Alexandre Auréjac) played the exact same list to the finals of the French All Star 1 month ago (where he lost to monoU devotion). It's actually pretty fast and easy to play since it's just "wrath or bust" 90% of the time. If you lose, you know it fast, and there are rarely big decisions to take (the hardest being "to wrath or not to wrath", the answer being "to wrath"). | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On August 07 2014 22:19 Whole wrote: It's just that if you want to play blue based control in this standard, you need 4x Sphinx. You can't do any Blue Black, Blue Red, or something like BUG or RUG control without having white for Rev. Currently, you can make those control decks and probably tune it pretty well to beat Mono Black, midrange, and aggro, but then you'll lose to Sphinx Rev decks because you can't pressure them in a way that'll make them fire off early Sphinx Revs. Pierre Mondon's list is one of those decks, but it doesn't play Blue. And I promise you it pressures Sphinx Revs deck a lot. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Propelled
Denmark184 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 07 2014 23:26 Propelled wrote: Anyone with experience using www.magiccardmarket.eu ? I'm wondering what the bracketed numbers that occasionally shows up in the availability column means. + Show Spoiler + e.g. Spearlow has 1 Keranos that is EN and Excellent quality, but has (2) of this card in total but the other copies are different price, quality, set, language, etc. | ||
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Propelled
Denmark184 Posts
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On August 07 2014 17:12 RoieTRS wrote: I started standard in Bornofthegods. The only blue control i've ever known is Sphinx's Revelation decks. Everyone complains about the card sphinx's revelation but how can a blue contrtol deck function without a card with that kind of power? I can't understand the hate Just look at old Standards, there is almost always a blue control deck. In ye olden times, it was on the back of more powerful counterspells, but more recently they would find another way of doing it. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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