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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
July 23 2013 04:08 GMT
#8481
When would be the best time to pick up the remaining RTR block rares on MTGO? Now, or after M14 launches online?

IIRC M13 mythics were pretty cheap when m13 was the newest set online, and the prices spiked later during RTR block. Is this what I should expect?
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Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
July 23 2013 09:02 GMT
#8482
Prices rise after the set stops being drafted. Couldn't really say which timing is better though.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 19:09:20
July 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#8483
Went 2-1 last night, only loss was to a bant auras guy, and I barely lost to him. Turns out it's hard to kill bant auras without wraths, so 2 verdict are going back into the board. In game 2 against the same guy, I landed an archangel solo on the board at 12 life, when he had 2 VOR tokens, a naked stalker, and a spectral flight/unflinching courage stalker. Won the game, barely, courtesy of her. Favorite play of the night, though, was against grixis control; nearly milled out, snapcaster boros charm, flashback increasing vengeance on boros charm, final 12 to the face <3

Young pyromancer is pretty neat too, I only have 2 in ATM because nobody at all has any for sell or trade. He usually doesn't make more than a few tokens, but it's convenient for blockers mainly. Was an instant board out in my first match vs Jund, however, because he, like so many others, are mainboarding 4 bonfires.

On July 23 2013 10:19 MCMcEmcee wrote:
UW(R) flash has always been more aggro-control/tempo than hard control.

My current list is just Matt Costa's list but cutting Augurs for Young Pyromancer. Pyromancer has been sweet but I think there's going to be an upwards trend in Curse/Staticaster/Electrickery and I'm not sure how good it will be when that happens.


Not sure what that list is, but I dropped augurs a long time ago. I've just found them repeatedly to be worth far less than you hope, and a 1/3 isn't getting you anywhere fast.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24799 Posts
July 24 2013 19:48 GMT
#8484
I'm 3 cards short of completing the RTR block on MTGO. I still need Jace, Obzedat, and Domri Rade (approximately $15, $10, $15 respectively). I wonder how their prices will change in the coming weeks or if I should just dump the additional $40 to complete the sets...
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
July 24 2013 20:18 GMT
#8485
I'm not terribly sure how the prices will go, but I'd assume that they will go up post-rotation. Between now and then, couldn't really tell you, but I highly doubt that they'll go down.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Airact
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland366 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-24 21:16:41
July 24 2013 21:10 GMT
#8486
Not necessarily a MTGO question but still.

Does Affinity have any game in Legacy?

I've been thinking about finally trying to branch my play a bit away from burn (believe me, after playing burn for a while, it starts to get a bit boring) and it seems like the people here are starting to warm up to Modern just a bit (it's mostly Legacy). I have seen Affinity played in Legacy before and figured I would save a lot of money if I could play pretty much the same deck in both formats, especially because Affinity doesn't play fetches.

I'm not really into the one-turn-kill combo decks Legacy has and playing something like Reanimator (kinda ironic as I'm really interested in Reanimator but don't really want to go full combo) is out of the question for now: Underground Seas go for 95 a piece, fetches for 25-35 and Force of Wills for about 45.


I have to say though, being new in Magic, life is hard (really fun but really hard).


Edit: I just checked that apparently Mox Opal has gone like 20 dollars up from the last time I checked. I think Affinity is still around the cheapest options though (although I think it's closer than it seems like).
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 25 2013 01:36 GMT
#8487
On July 25 2013 06:10 Airact wrote:
Not necessarily a MTGO question but still.

Does Affinity have any game in Legacy?

I've been thinking about finally trying to branch my play a bit away from burn (believe me, after playing burn for a while, it starts to get a bit boring) and it seems like the people here are starting to warm up to Modern just a bit (it's mostly Legacy). I have seen Affinity played in Legacy before and figured I would save a lot of money if I could play pretty much the same deck in both formats, especially because Affinity doesn't play fetches.

I'm not really into the one-turn-kill combo decks Legacy has and playing something like Reanimator (kinda ironic as I'm really interested in Reanimator but don't really want to go full combo) is out of the question for now: Underground Seas go for 95 a piece, fetches for 25-35 and Force of Wills for about 45.


I have to say though, being new in Magic, life is hard (really fun but really hard).


Edit: I just checked that apparently Mox Opal has gone like 20 dollars up from the last time I checked. I think Affinity is still around the cheapest options though (although I think it's closer than it seems like).


Yea affinity has game in Legacy, it just has to adapt to the meta game differently just like every other aggro deck. Sometimes Tezzeret is the correct call and sometimes he isnt, just depends on what you expect the meta to be. Honestly I think Merfolk or Death and taxes is the cheapest deck you will find outside of affinity.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
July 25 2013 03:00 GMT
#8488
On July 25 2013 04:48 micronesia wrote:
I'm 3 cards short of completing the RTR block on MTGO. I still need Jace, Obzedat, and Domri Rade (approximately $15, $10, $15 respectively). I wonder how their prices will change in the coming weeks or if I should just dump the additional $40 to complete the sets...


Since they're all constructed playable cards, the price is going to depend on the Standard metagame. Obzedat is the one with the potential to jump much higher, I think Jace will stay the same or drop, and Domri is kind of a wild card.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 25 2013 03:07 GMT
#8489
On July 25 2013 12:00 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 04:48 micronesia wrote:
I'm 3 cards short of completing the RTR block on MTGO. I still need Jace, Obzedat, and Domri Rade (approximately $15, $10, $15 respectively). I wonder how their prices will change in the coming weeks or if I should just dump the additional $40 to complete the sets...


Since they're all constructed playable cards, the price is going to depend on the Standard metagame. Obzedat is the one with the potential to jump much higher, I think Jace will stay the same or drop, and Domri is kind of a wild card.


I think Domri's going up and Jace is going down...Jace has never, ever been good and will probably just get worse.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
July 25 2013 03:11 GMT
#8490
On July 25 2013 12:07 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 12:00 Cel.erity wrote:
On July 25 2013 04:48 micronesia wrote:
I'm 3 cards short of completing the RTR block on MTGO. I still need Jace, Obzedat, and Domri Rade (approximately $15, $10, $15 respectively). I wonder how their prices will change in the coming weeks or if I should just dump the additional $40 to complete the sets...


Since they're all constructed playable cards, the price is going to depend on the Standard metagame. Obzedat is the one with the potential to jump much higher, I think Jace will stay the same or drop, and Domri is kind of a wild card.


I think Domri's going up and Jace is going down...Jace has never, ever been good and will probably just get worse.


I agree, but it's still a blue planeswalker. Pretty hard for it to go lower than 12tix. Domri, on the other hand, is being propped up by R/G aggro being viable, which could change overnight. Aggro decks in general are very sensitive to metagame shifts because they can go from being tier 1 to unplayable with each set release or tech that's discovered.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
July 25 2013 03:27 GMT
#8491
How, exactly, has jace "never, ever been good"?
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
July 25 2013 03:41 GMT
#8492
On July 25 2013 12:27 Audemed wrote:
How, exactly, has jace "never, ever been good"?

I'm wondering this too, especially since Jace gets played quite a bit in block. Seems like it'll be one of the go-to planeswalkers for control post rotation.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
Whitejack
Profile Joined July 2013
27 Posts
July 25 2013 03:42 GMT
#8493
On July 25 2013 12:27 Audemed wrote:
How, exactly, has jace "never, ever been good"?

yeah, rtr jace is a really good card that will see a metric boatload of play post rotation..
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 03:48:41
July 25 2013 03:47 GMT
#8494
He's close in power to Forbidden Alchemy. He's in block because there's very little card draw in RtR block as a whole, so he's unique. He's never ever been good in Standard, just a slot filler. You never, ever want to use his +1 and his ultimate doesn't anywhere near win you the game.

In control mirrors, you want 5 mana Jace, not that piece of crap.
Whitejack
Profile Joined July 2013
27 Posts
July 25 2013 03:55 GMT
#8495
On July 25 2013 12:47 deth2munkies wrote:
He's close in power to Forbidden Alchemy. He's in block because there's very little card draw in RtR block as a whole, so he's unique. He's never ever been good in Standard, just a slot filler. You never, ever want to use his +1 and his ultimate doesn't anywhere near win you the game.

In control mirrors, you want 5 mana Jace, not that piece of crap.

uh, definitely a bad assessment of the card. his +1 is fantastic against a lot of decks, especially ones swinging with lingering souls. his -2 is fantastic card advantage, and his ultimate is as irrelevant as garruk primal hunter's. He's a 4 mana planeswalker that starts on 4, somewhat defends himself, and generates card advantages in decks that thrive off card advantage. I don't see what's not to love here.
Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-25 04:20:06
July 25 2013 04:19 GMT
#8496
On July 25 2013 12:47 deth2munkies wrote:
He's close in power to Forbidden Alchemy. He's in block because there's very little card draw in RtR block as a whole, so he's unique. He's never ever been good in Standard, just a slot filler. You never, ever want to use his +1 and his ultimate doesn't anywhere near win you the game.

In control mirrors, you want 5 mana Jace, not that piece of crap.


He shuts down non-intangible virtued spirits, as well as assemble soldiers and now pyromancer tokens. The +1 can also provide favorable trades (or the potential for them) when you have creatures out, especially reckoner. He can be card advantage as soon as he lands, and at WORST is repeatable card draw. Yeah, his ult doesn't win you the game, but it doesn't need to, and it can get pretty damn close at times.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
July 25 2013 04:53 GMT
#8497
On July 25 2013 13:19 Audemed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2013 12:47 deth2munkies wrote:
He's close in power to Forbidden Alchemy. He's in block because there's very little card draw in RtR block as a whole, so he's unique. He's never ever been good in Standard, just a slot filler. You never, ever want to use his +1 and his ultimate doesn't anywhere near win you the game.

In control mirrors, you want 5 mana Jace, not that piece of crap.


He shuts down non-intangible virtued spirits, as well as assemble soldiers and now pyromancer tokens. The +1 can also provide favorable trades (or the potential for them) when you have creatures out, especially reckoner. He can be card advantage as soon as he lands, and at WORST is repeatable card draw. Yeah, his ult doesn't win you the game, but it doesn't need to, and it can get pretty damn close at times.


Lingering Souls is only played in decks that aren't interested in just attacking with them...unless they're playing anthems.

There's no 1/X creatures commonly played in aggressive decks, Jace is basically just a fog against them. Against other control decks, there's no reason to play him over 5 Jace.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 25 2013 11:46 GMT
#8498
Jace is fine. He's about as good as you expect him to be. His plus gets much better if you have multiple walkers out. Also cheapest deck in legacy is probably Dredge without LEDs.
Get it by your hands...
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
July 26 2013 03:11 GMT
#8499
I tried really hard to channel my inner LSV in the sealed DE.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Deck also includes an Obzedat lol. So good and yet so bad.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 26 2013 05:47 GMT
#8500
How to troll FNM 101:

+ Show Spoiler +

//Creature (12)
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer

//Instant (12)
4 Boros Charm
4 Searing Spear
4 Warleader's Helix

//Planeswalker (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

//Sorcery (10)
3 Bump in the Night
4 Lingering Souls
3 Pillar of Flame

//Land (24)
4 Blood Crypt
4 Clifftop Retreat
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Godless Shrine
4 Isolated Chapel
4 Sacred Foundry

SB: 2 Barter in Blood
SB: 2 Fiendslayer Paladin
SB: 3 Lifebane Zombie
SB: 4 Skullcrack
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Zealous Conscripts
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