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On May 21 2013 11:40 BlueBird. wrote:Also play release events(not pre-release events). Release events are very good EV. Those of you saying that Magic does not have a skill gap and think the following; "Magic isn't a particularly skilled game", then feel free to go win some PTs they are worth 40,000$.  . Idk where this is coming from in this thread, as well as the Day9 thread. 0.o
A lot of people mistakenly believe that there is little to no skill in games with variance. They also have over-inflated opinions of themselves and can't believe that they could possibly lose for a reason other than variance.
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On May 21 2013 13:06 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 11:40 BlueBird. wrote:Also play release events(not pre-release events). Release events are very good EV. Those of you saying that Magic does not have a skill gap and think the following; "Magic isn't a particularly skilled game", then feel free to go win some PTs they are worth 40,000$. . Idk where this is coming from in this thread, as well as the Day9 thread. 0.o A lot of people mistakenly believe that there is little to no skill in games with variance. They also have over-inflated opinions of themselves and can't believe that they could possibly lose for a reason other than variance.
I thought the game was easy when I was playing casual, but then I started playing standard with actual people and found out quickly my knowledge of cards and decks and game mechanics was severely lacking. There are so many pieces to being a good Magic player. Playing OP cards doesnt win you a PTQ, GP or PT. Deck Building, Meta game knowledge, understanding of game mechanics, understanding of card mechanics, understanding of other decks in the format, and knowing how to control variance to the best of you and your deck abilities.
MTG is by far one of the most mentally straining things I have done when I was playing legacy in my first SCG.
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woot am 2/2 in Constructed RtR Block... ive won 2 RtR packs so far... 2 packs for 4 tickets i guess im winning =D.
played against another pure aggro deck, it was pure red.
im playing a White/Green Token deck.
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It's really not much different than the lines you take in Chess. Except that it isn't 100% since you have draw steps.
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On May 21 2013 13:37 Judicator wrote:
It's really not much different than the lines you take in Chess. Except that it isn't 100% since you have draw steps.
The problem with Chess and other games with low variance is that they're much easier to solve. Computers are pretty close at solving chess, other games like Tic-Tac-Toe and Checkers are completely solved already. I mean even if you created a Starcraft clone where every unit was exactly the same and every map was perfectly mirrored, a computer could solve it. It's the variance that makes a human factor necessary. Cold hard math and probability can only take you so far.
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>Computers are pretty close at solving chess
Not even close. Not even 0.0000000000001% of the way. That said, computers are better than even the best humans.
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On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely.
Solebush1 has been going infinite for a very long time. It is possible, but you really have to be among the very best drafters.
In any case, if you are decent, you won't pay a whole lot per draft. It would take a while until you have lost as much money as you have to spend to get a good constructed deck going. And let's not remember that you have to adjust your constructed deck every few weeks if you want to remain competitive, which costs some money each time.
You're also locked into a single deck if you want to do minimal investment constructed. In draft you get to play different kinds of decks every now and then.
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On May 21 2013 15:39 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. Solebush1 has been going infinite for a very long time. It is possible, but you really have to be among the very best drafters. In any case, if you are decent, you won't pay a whole lot per draft. It would take a while until you have lost as much money as you have to spend to get a good constructed deck going. And let's not remember that you have to adjust your constructed deck every few weeks if you want to remain competitive, which costs some money each time. You're also locked into a single deck if you want to do minimal investment constructed. In draft you get to play different kinds of decks every now and then.
He has not been going infinite, and I don't think he ever has.
Edit: Double checked and yeah, his rating is only 1812. Not an infinite rating.
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On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely.
That's OK with me, it's not like I ever won anything in friday night magic, I considered the cost to enter a "price for entertainment" just like going to the cinema. As long as drafting isn't more expensive in MTGO than in real life I could see it as worth my money for days I have nothing better to do... hell, if I draft a few times and trade well, maybe I could get a decent constructed deck in time.
So as I'm getting more into this, how often are drafts open and how much choice is there? Are there only drafts a few times a week, are there only drafts for the latest sets, is it harder to find swiss drafts than 8-4? I realize 8-4 is what you need to go if you want to "profit", but it seems like a terrible setup for a newbie like me, while swiss seems amazing.
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On May 21 2013 16:19 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 15:39 spinesheath wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. Solebush1 has been going infinite for a very long time. It is possible, but you really have to be among the very best drafters. In any case, if you are decent, you won't pay a whole lot per draft. It would take a while until you have lost as much money as you have to spend to get a good constructed deck going. And let's not remember that you have to adjust your constructed deck every few weeks if you want to remain competitive, which costs some money each time. You're also locked into a single deck if you want to do minimal investment constructed. In draft you get to play different kinds of decks every now and then. He has not been going infinite, and I don't think he ever has. Edit: Double checked and yeah, his rating is only 1812. Not an infinite rating.
Unless you want to assume that he's been lying all the time, he definitely has been going infinite.
He's on a bad streak right now and ratings fluctuate like crazy, your single sample doesn't say anything.
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On May 21 2013 16:55 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 16:19 Risen wrote:On May 21 2013 15:39 spinesheath wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. Solebush1 has been going infinite for a very long time. It is possible, but you really have to be among the very best drafters. In any case, if you are decent, you won't pay a whole lot per draft. It would take a while until you have lost as much money as you have to spend to get a good constructed deck going. And let's not remember that you have to adjust your constructed deck every few weeks if you want to remain competitive, which costs some money each time. You're also locked into a single deck if you want to do minimal investment constructed. In draft you get to play different kinds of decks every now and then. He has not been going infinite, and I don't think he ever has. Edit: Double checked and yeah, his rating is only 1812. Not an infinite rating. Unless you want to assume that he's been lying all the time, he definitely has been going infinite. He's on a bad streak right now and ratings fluctuate like crazy, your single sample doesn't say anything.
I've been watching him for a long time. He's not infinite.
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On May 21 2013 16:25 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. That's OK with me, it's not like I ever won anything in friday night magic, I considered the cost to enter a "price for entertainment" just like going to the cinema. As long as drafting isn't more expensive in MTGO than in real life I could see it as worth my money for days I have nothing better to do... hell, if I draft a few times and trade well, maybe I could get a decent constructed deck in time. So as I'm getting more into this, how often are drafts open and how much choice is there? Are there only drafts a few times a week, are there only drafts for the latest sets, is it harder to find swiss drafts than 8-4? I realize 8-4 is what you need to go if you want to "profit", but it seems like a terrible setup for a newbie like me, while swiss seems amazing.
Swiss is the best choice if your new and are determined to draft, , you need to have a strong win percentage in 8-4( for it to be better than swiss, and better players play 8-4. Swiss is good, and you stem the bleeding on the draft losses by putting up consistent results, you can lose the first game and still get 2 more in so you get more practice of the format without spending more $. You can get a lot of mileage out of $ if you play swiss, and are patient with trades/selling rare cards you draft. You will lose $ over time, you need something like a 90% win percentage in swiss to break even, but then again, you get to play. I have been playing Magic Online for a long time, and I still play swiss drafts, cause limited is my weakest format, and I don't have the disposable money to play the high variance 8-4s(if you go on a bad run in 8-4s you destroy your banked ticket count). Never ever ever ever play 4-3-2-2.
Look your going to be able to get a draft about every 5-10 minutes for swiss and 8-4 basically. I don't have exact time frame, sometimes it takes 30 seconds, sometimes it takes a little longer depending on time of day. They only have the latest draft formats up but usually have an old limited format rotate in. These usually have less options as far as payouts, and also take longer to fill, depending on format.
Have fun with limited, it's really enjoyable.
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On May 21 2013 17:27 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 16:25 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. That's OK with me, it's not like I ever won anything in friday night magic, I considered the cost to enter a "price for entertainment" just like going to the cinema. As long as drafting isn't more expensive in MTGO than in real life I could see it as worth my money for days I have nothing better to do... hell, if I draft a few times and trade well, maybe I could get a decent constructed deck in time. So as I'm getting more into this, how often are drafts open and how much choice is there? Are there only drafts a few times a week, are there only drafts for the latest sets, is it harder to find swiss drafts than 8-4? I realize 8-4 is what you need to go if you want to "profit", but it seems like a terrible setup for a newbie like me, while swiss seems amazing. Swiss is the best choice if your new and are determined to draft, , you need to have a strong win percentage in 8-4( for it to be better than swiss, and better players play 8-4. Swiss is good, and you stem the bleeding on the draft losses by putting up consistent results, you can lose the first game and still get 2 more in so you get more practice of the format without spending more $. You can get a lot of mileage out of $ if you play swiss, and are patient with trades/selling rare cards you draft. You will lose $ over time, you need something like a 90% win percentage in swiss to break even, but then again, you get to play. I have been playing Magic Online for a long time, and I still play swiss drafts, cause limited is my weakest format, and I don't have the disposable money to play the high variance 8-4s(if you go on a bad run in 8-4s you destroy your banked ticket count). Never ever ever ever play 4-3-2-2. Look your going to be able to get a draft about every 5-10 minutes for swiss and 8-4 basically. I don't have exact time frame, sometimes it takes 30 seconds, sometimes it takes a little longer depending on time of day. They only have the latest draft formats up but usually have an old limited format rotate in. These usually have less options as far as payouts, and also take longer to fill, depending on format. Have fun with limited, it's really enjoyable.
Sounds awesome, will probably get an account which brings me to my last question: Is it worth waiting for Magic 2014? I see that when you create an account, you immediately get a bunch of M13 cards, but since M14 is released in just 2 months, would it be wise to wait until then to buy, assuming I would get M14 cards instead?
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Don't they only give you 1 pack of M13 cards? I don't think that is going to make or break your ability to collect cards/make decks, either way you will need to invest more $ in to the game if you want to play something besides planeswalker mode and the free phantom limited events.
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On May 21 2013 17:44 BlueBird. wrote:
Don't they only give you 1 pack of M13 cards? I don't think that is going to make or break your ability to collect cards/make decks, either way you will need to invest more $ in to the game if you want to play something besides planeswalker mode and the free phantom limited events.
According to what I've seen, you get like 300 M13 cards, which is quite substantial when it's the only thing you have, starting out.
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As far as i remember, when i created my account they gave me a bunch of commons (m12), 2 packs and 2 tickets.
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On May 21 2013 16:55 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 16:19 Risen wrote:On May 21 2013 15:39 spinesheath wrote:On May 21 2013 06:18 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 06:09 semantics wrote:On May 21 2013 05:35 Gleen wrote:On May 21 2013 05:21 Tobberoth wrote:On May 21 2013 04:00 Cel.erity wrote:On May 21 2013 03:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Would you guys say MTGO is worth it for a casual player? I used to play a bit, mainly around when the original Ravnica came out and did do some friday night magic drafting and even went to a big tournament, but I was never a serious player and I didn't really sink all that much money into it.
I would play magic more but it just becomes such a seldom occurance for my friends etc to buy enough cards to have fun with it and actually get together and play. Obviously with MTGO, I could play anytime I wanted.. however, it seems to be a pretty tryhard game unless you want to sink huge amounts of cash into it and still get owned...
Should I get an account and dick around with it, or should I stick to Duel of the planeswalker 2013 when I get the urge to play magic? If you enjoy Modern or limited and have $500 to spare, I would say go for it. From the sounds of things, I don't think you'd have the desire to keep up with the fluctuating Standard format, and nobody really plays Legacy online. The only format where you can have a cheap deck that lasts a long time is Pauper. I can't say I have 500 dollars to spare... how about drafting? Since I've never used the system I don't know how it works in MTGO but how much does it cost to join a swiss draft? Since I would get to keep the cards I draft and have the possibility of getting boosters, I would think this would be a good way to play for cheap... or is it not worth it? You can enter any draft queue either by having the booster (see price at store) plus 2 tickets or paying 14 tickets. If you're good enough you can go infinite (when your results pay your costs) and even profit from it. Generally the way to go infinite in MTGO is to avoid drafting and enter daily events. Drafting and winning 8-4's to go infinite is very hard a standard event with built decks is a bit more controllable and the payout is usually easier to obtain. Right. You're not going to go infinite in draft, most pro players can't even go infinite in draft. Drafting is okay if you're short on cash, but it's a slow money sink, as opposed to constructed which requires a larger initial investment but lets you keep playing indefinitely. Solebush1 has been going infinite for a very long time. It is possible, but you really have to be among the very best drafters. In any case, if you are decent, you won't pay a whole lot per draft. It would take a while until you have lost as much money as you have to spend to get a good constructed deck going. And let's not remember that you have to adjust your constructed deck every few weeks if you want to remain competitive, which costs some money each time. You're also locked into a single deck if you want to do minimal investment constructed. In draft you get to play different kinds of decks every now and then. He has not been going infinite, and I don't think he ever has. Edit: Double checked and yeah, his rating is only 1812. Not an infinite rating. Unless you want to assume that he's been lying all the time, he definitely has been going infinite. He's on a bad streak right now and ratings fluctuate like crazy, your single sample doesn't say anything.
solebush is an awful player, there is no chance that he is infinite in limited.
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On May 21 2013 17:44 BlueBird. wrote:
Don't they only give you 1 pack of M13 cards? I don't think that is going to make or break your ability to collect cards/make decks, either way you will need to invest more $ in to the game if you want to play something besides planeswalker mode and the free phantom limited events.
there are free events? 0.o
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On May 22 2013 01:05 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 17:44 BlueBird. wrote:
Don't they only give you 1 pack of M13 cards? I don't think that is going to make or break your ability to collect cards/make decks, either way you will need to invest more $ in to the game if you want to play something besides planeswalker mode and the free phantom limited events. there are free events? 0.o
Not that i'm aware... phantom events are just more cheap than normal one cuz you don't get to keep that cards you play with.
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On May 21 2013 14:55 cz wrote:
>Computers are pretty close at solving chess
Not even close. Not even 0.0000000000001% of the way. That said, computers are better than even the best humans.
Shannon number shows chess possible moves is greater then the total number of atoms in the observable universe. Sure computers get deeper before becoming out of book but you still reach out of book eventually.
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